Advice on bouillion, oil, seeds, spices, etc.
>Can anyone tell me if it is alright to use bouillion cubes when the
>recipe calls for homemade broth?
Sorry, They usually have potatoes, cornstarch or sugar or all three
Michael Cabarles, firstname.lastname@example.org
Re: Bouillion cubes
Apart from whatever gluten or starches may be in the cube, those things are
usually made from a form of msg (it has many names...and is a close chemical
relative of aspartame or NutriPoison)...now commonly called an Excitotoxin.
I'd stay away from them if you value your eyesight, your nerves, and other
assorted body parts.
* * * * * c 1996 Carol Wright * * * * * *
Canola Oil and sprouts
>Thanks for recent answers. A couple of more questions. Don't mean to
>frustrate Elain or anyone, just wonder if there'[s any common experience
>about what heals.
>1) Canola oil. From rapeseed (canadian oil)--to close to grains? Not
>mentioned in the book.
>2) Sprouts other than bean sprouts--alfalfa, clover, onion.
>Ann in Maryland
Canola oil is not recommended by Elaine, use Olive oil or if you have
allergies, your probably amine salicylate sensitive, use soya oil but not
Alfalfa, but no others, have the go ahead by Elaine, but Phil Alexander,
suggests to avoid them because of unseen mould which grows on them. For
allergy sufferers, he recommends that it's not worth it. I've even tried
growing them at home with little success, They always "turn" on me and go
A lab technician who sprouts legumes for the laboratory suggested bleaching
them first, but have not had success with this either.
>Are sunflower seeds ok to eat on the diet? The kind that are in the bag
>shells and are salted.
Any seeds are OK as long as you are completely free of symptoms incuding
tiredness, aches and pains, sore feet, rashes, these non-specific symptoms,
indicate the presence of a leaky gut and a gut wall which is not
completely healed. The addition of nuts and seeds may bring back diarrhea
in many cases. As for myself I have just come off dairy, stopped all nuts
and changed my herbal medication and in less than a week my diarrhea and
bleeding have stopped, so which was it? who knows but something is
responsible for It's been pretty bad since October.
Seeds / whole nuts
Definitely do not take any seeds while there is any kind of
extensive inflamation unless you wish to tear a hole in your intestines.
The same goes for whole nuts. Don't trust you teeth to chew them. No matter
how well you chew them, teeth cannot crush nuts to a safe level of fineness
for IBD sufferers. Grind all nuts and preferably cook them at first. this
softens them and makes them more digestible. When you improve you may be
able to take some raw nut meal with yoghurt and honey, which is the ideal
way to have them since the enzymes are still active when raw. But while the
bowel is inflamed, Mechanical considerations must take precedence over
optimal nutrition. UNHULLED tahini is a good source of calcium and is a
tasty treat over steamed vegetables.
Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:48:32 GMT
I just spoke to Elaine to make sure that the answer I thought to be
accurate, was. It is. Sesame is fibre. Similar to nuts, they should be
avoided when beginning the diet, but can be introduced when diahrea is no
longer an issue.
The answer about seeds is that Yes they are allowed eventually, but not right
away. In the book it says something to the effect of - no seeds of any kind
until several months after all symptoms are gone. This is not an exact quote,
but I don't have the book with me. You can try seeds if your diarrhea is gone.
Just try a few and then see what happens. If you have problems, then
discontinue for a few more months. So seeds are one of those foods for later
on in the diet. I assume that ground seeds such as tahini (made from sesame
seeds) would be easier to digest than whole seeds. This is just my theory,
with no basis on fact.
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:42:13 EDT
From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: psyllium seed
Elaine's book says, somewhere, no seeds, period. Yet Michael, at various places on Mik's web site, recommends two different seeds: psyllium seed, and sesame seed (the latter in the form of sesame seed paste, or tahini). I think psyllium would be a great addition to the diet, which is pretty low fiber compared to a carb diet, but have been hesitant to use it due to Elaine's instructions. What do you think: OK or not? And, some products separate seed from husk, i.e., you can buy huskless, only husks, or a mixture. Any opinions, or better, experience?
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:02:35 -0700
From: Dempsey <stellar1@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: psyllium seed
For awhile I was using psyllium seeds during a phase of constipation. They really helped a lot. I took a 1/4 tsp. twice a day. Any more than that irritated my intestines. It's probably a highly individual thing to figure out. By the way, I know what you mean about reading that Elaine says no seeds but I'm also sure I've read her say that psyllium and slippery elm are okay to use.
Re: psyllium seed
Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:35:30 GMT
When Elaine spoke in Tucson in 1995 she said psyllium was ok to use for
those that wanted to. It's a mucilaginous seed and it is an intestinal
And, some products separate seed from husk, i.e., you
>can buy huskless, only husks, or a mixture. Any opinions, or better,
My experience with this rag is that the powdered psyllium seed husks are
the way to go for best cleansing. And for IBD the powder is better. The
'course' husks and seeds have little particles of husks in them.
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:12:31 +0200
From: "Svend-Aage Andersen" <email@example.com>
To: "SCD" <SCDfirstname.lastname@example.org>
Before I started the diet I ate hip powder (dried and crush fruit of the Wild rose). It gives a lot of vitamin C.
Now I would like too eat it again, but is it allowed in the SCD diet?
It is all the seeds I am worried about.
Thanks in advance
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:20:07 PST
From: ACB <benkea@MAILHOST.PAC.DFO.CA>
To: scdlist2 <SCDemail@example.com>
Subject: Re: Rose-hips
About the rosehip powder; I would save it for later when your symptoms are much improved. Too much vitamin C can cause diarrhea and anything acidic can irritate our guts as well. As for it being allowed or not on the SCD, I believe it should be OK as it is like an herb or flower and I don't think it has starch. A little rosehip tea is probably ok, but watch how much acidy things you are taking in because they can be irritating. These are just my opinions.
> Are dried fruits etc allowed on the diet? Dehydrated
>fruits like pineapples, watermelons etc. I want to purchase
> my own dehydrator and make my own snacks
>if its allowed.
Dried fruits are allowed if they have no added sugar, etc. , so making them
yourself would be fine. However, some people do not tolerate them very well.
When I tried raisins for example, I got diarreah right away, so now I don't eat
them. I had a dehydrator but found it too cumbersome and time consuming to
make dried fruit. You have to clean, peel, and slice everything thin; lay them
all out and then wait 1-3 days, periodically checking, and rotating the trays
for even drying. The infomercial makes it look fun and easy. I bought mine on
the shopping channel and was ultimately disappointed, so I gave it away to a
friend, who hasn't used it yet either. It sat in my cupboard for a year or so.
If you think yogurt is a hassle to make, dried fruit is a lot more work. I
don't want to sound totally negative about it though, so if you can tolerate
it, Go For it. It's a good idea for those people who have the time and are
Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:47:30 GMT
I just had a major experience with trying to eat some dried dates
recently. I ate a bite of one and didn't get any reaction, so I ate at
least five. I have been off of most fruit but have had better luck, for
some reason with tropical fruit, so decided to give dates a try. Well,
I didn't have any bloating or my usual gut reactions, but I later
started itching in tiny spots all over my body, mainly on my face and
behind my ears and also troubling anal itching. There was no red rash,
just itching. And I had a lot of trouble sleeping, which was like 8
hours later. I felt intensely wired, in a way beyond what could be
described as a "sugar high." For the next two days, I felt ravenously
hungry for protein. I also felt jittery after drinking black tea, which
never bothers me, I felt like my adrenals were way out of kilter.
A friend of mine asked me if maybe they were sulfered dates and maybe I
had an allergic reaction. They don't say sulfered or not, so I am not
sure. But this was one of the weirdest reactions to a fruit type food
I've ever had. Now, four days later, I am mostly returned to normal. I
limited all the foods I usually eat to limit any gut reactions that
might be happening. Now I just have a little itching left. Has this
ever happened to anyone else with dates? Does anyone know what might
have happened? I'm trying to get some perspective on what could have
happened. Is there any info out there on the effect of sulfered dried
fruit for people on the scd?
Re: Dried Fruit dates
>> Hi all,
>> I just had a major experience with trying to eat some dried dates
>> recently. I ate a bite of one and didn't get any reaction, so I ate at
>> least five. I have been off of most fruit but have had better luck, for
>> some reason with tropical fruit, so decided to give dates a try. Well,
>> I didn't have any bloating or my usual gut reactions, but I later
>> started itching in tiny spots all over my body, mainly on my face and
>> behind my ears and also troubling anal itching. There was no red rash,
>> just itching. And I had a lot of trouble sleeping, which was like 8
>> hours later. I felt intensely wired, in a way beyond what could be
>> described as a "sugar high." For the next two days, I felt ravenously
>> hungry for protein. I also felt jittery after drinking black tea, which
>> never bothers me, I felt like my adrenals were way out of kilter.
>> A friend of mine asked me if maybe they were sulfered dates and maybe I
>> had an allergic reaction. They don't say sulfered or not, so I am not
>> sure. But this was one of the weirdest reactions to a fruit type food
>> I've ever had. Now, four days later, I am mostly returned to normal. I
>> limited all the foods I usually eat to limit any gut reactions that
>> might be happening. Now I just have a little itching left. Has this
>> ever happened to anyone else with dates? Does anyone know what might
>> have happened? I'm trying to get some perspective on what could have
>> happened. Is there any info out there on the effect of sulfered dried
>> fruit for people on the scd?
>> Best regards,
>> DeniseHi Denise
This definitely sounds like a candida problem. candida can get out of hand
if your immune system is low. If you feed it it's favourite food - sugar,
then you will activate its metabolism very much. Candida produces
formaldehyde as a by-product of its metabolism. The results are many and
varied, but the most common are headache, spacey/dizzy/foggy thinking, and
rashes and ecsma. the toxins from the candida lodge themselves in various
parts of the body and if you are in the advanced mycelial stage, the fungus
itself may be in various parts of the body tissue.
Treatment - Diet Low in Sugar and high in complex carbgohydrate. This is
hard on the SCD and you may find you have to abandon the scd to get the
Candida under control. as has been my case. Without the sugars of the SCD,
it's too hard to get enough calories. Candida sufferers cannot take any
dried fruit, and only 2 pieces of fresh fruti a day. You could keep the
basis of the SCD and add WELL COOKED grains taken only as a porridge. Stick
to gluten free grains - rice millet and arrowroot and cook them in double
the amount of water for 45mins to 1 hr. boil or pressure cook till you get
a thickened porridge consistency. This is how you should introduce grains
if you are comming off the scd as well. start with smaller quantities and
build up gradually over a week or two so as to give the pancreas a chance
to adapt to the greater workload.
Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:01:28 GMT
> Do all unripe fruits contain starch, or is it
> just the bananas? Elaine only mentions bananas in the book.
> I'm asking this because I'm having some trouble determining if apples
> are ripe or not. They taste OK, but I sometimes find them a bit hard.
It seems to me quite clear in the book that Elaine states *anyone*
just starting the diet should only eat COOKED/BAKED fruit. Only try
one fruit or veggy at a time for a few days and notice any reaction.
Same goes for eggs, cheese, nut flour, etc.
Hope my experiences help you, or anyone else on the list.
Mon, 21 Apr 1997 4:15:50 GMT
Geoff Stewardson wrote in part:
> On a totally unrelated note does anyone have problems with appricots?
> (sp?) I ate a handfull the other day and nearly exploded on the spot.
> I was lucky it was windy outside because I had enough gas to run a
> city bus. Thinking it may have been something else I tried them again
> the next day. Guess what? It's the appricots... nuff said.
> Geoff Stewardson
I bought a bag of dried appricots one day thinking they might be sweet an
d nice and easy to carry about.Rather a fast pick me up if you will.
I all but blew the seams out of my drawers. I cant remember ever eating
any thing, including beans that produced such large volumes of gas.
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 03:26:23 -0400
> I have a hard time believing too much fruit can be bad for a person,
Let's take these issues one at a time.
Yes, too much fruit can be bad for a person, as an overload of fruit in proportion to other elements in the diet means the diner is having too much sugar, which is detrimental to health.
Yes, fruit is pretty much purely natural (although manipulated genetically from the natural state for qualities that make it easy to sell, store and ship). But hemlock is natural, as are mushrooms, some of which can kill almost instantly. There are many natural substances (plants, herbs, fungi, etc.) which are actually poisonous.
Fruit was not one of the *main* sources of the caveman diet, at least not in the kind of quantities we are talking about here. Plus the fruit of that day was quite different from the fruit we have available now. It was much less sweet, and much more fibrous. Plus, as a percentage of calories, I wouldn't call fruit a main source. It was an important source, but meat and fish were major, with fruits, greens, nuts, and tubers all playing a very important role.
Plus, you have to consider that a quart of dried fruit is equivalent to a quantity of fresh fruit that we probably can't even begin to visualize. Dried fruit is not something that would ever have been a source of calories for a caveman; it's an extremely *concentrated* sugar.
> Anyway, hubby is 6'5" and believe me, he needs to eat a LOT! And he
I'm sure a man who is 6'5" and has (still, no doubt) absorption problems does need an incredible amount of food. If and when he can tolerate the nut flour, I think he would be better off having more calories from meat, fish, nut flour, veggies and as a last and least source, fruit. Your husband actually would be *much* less hungry (and a good deal healthier) if he ate less fruit.
> As for candida, he has never had a problem with it, to our knowledge...
It might be worthwhile to check it out (with Great Smokies Lab) and make sure he doesn't.
> Has Elaine said anything about honey or fruit consumption being limited?
Elaine is trying to help as many people as possible to get off the treadmill of drugs, hospitalizations, surgery, and ill health. She understands that Crohn's patients, in particular, do crave sweet things. She has recommended that people balance their diets, for instance, by not eating more than four (if I remember correctly) small muffins per day, and eating (once they can tolerate all foods, of course) meat, fish, cheese, yogurt, muffins, veggies and fruits in a balanced diet. I doubt Elaine would have ever envisioned someone eating a quart container of dried fruit a day, so the issue has not come up in the book. Elaine only mentioned limiting honey in cases of candida, in which she said that the honey in the recipes should be cut down. Her field of expertise really is in intestinal health and how to promote it, not specifically in treating candida overgrowths. In severe cases of candida overgrowth such as many people who have had as many antibiotics and as much prednisone as many of us who have UC and CD have had, it actually is not possible to recover while ingesting honey and fruit, even in limited quantities. It probably would be possible if one had a mild case.
In any case, your husband is certainly much better off eating inordinate quantities of dried fruits than he would be if he were eating Twinkies :-). Maybe once he has adjusted to forgoing the forbidden things he once loved, he will think about balancing his diet so he can not only recover fully from Crohn's but become as healthy as it is possible for him to be :-).
DeborahDate: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:20:12 -0400
From: "dan davis" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Sugar Intake
>I think I
I eat almost no honey, but I eat about 4 bananas a day and usually 1/2 grapefruit or an apple. This may sound like a lot of fruit, but dried fruit is MUCH more concentrated.
I found some info in "The Complete Athlete", by John Winterdyk PhD, Karen Jensen ND:
"If you eat an excess of simple carbohydrates you don't need to worry about excess fat but you may want to consider the effects this diet has on your general health. An overreliance on simple carbohydrates can cause overloads in blood glucose and possibly a deficiency of vitamin B1 (thiamine). This overload can also tax the adrenal glands and pancreas, causing them to work overtime in an effort to normalize your blood sugar level...Ultimately this type of diet can lead to diabetes and adrenal exhaustion."
As you eat foods containing simple sugars, the body uses only those it needs and deposits the rest as fats and cholesterol. The deposits can be in the liver, heart, arteries, kidneys and muscles, and can result in conditions such as obesity, rheumatic disease, diabetes, tumors, liver and kidney diseases, and atherosclerosis. These fat deposits also reduce the oxygen level in the tissures thus slowing down your body's metabolism. This, in turn, causes fats to accumulate faster. When this happens all your exercise will seem to get you nowhere."
Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:59:04 -0400
Geesh, just when you think you know it all. I called Elaine & checked about
the watermelon. It is fine. We agreed that I must have had a problem with
it way back when (my memory was better in those days), and Elaine advised
me to not eat it. For me it is obviously a problem food. If it isn't for
you, enjoy. After all this time, I may give it another shot myself (I'll
keep you posted).
Elaine wants me to send her regards and also to tell you about a mistake
she may have made. A woman who has her child on the diet asked about any
possible fast food. She told the woman that in an emergency (outing,
birthday party, ect), it would probably be OK to just eat the meat out of a
macdonald's hamburger. When she relayed the story to her daughter, her
daughter reminded her that most fast food resteraunts use filler in their
burgers. Elaine says she knows about additions to cans, but never thought
about this application. She wants me to pass it on.
Again, my apoligies for the watermelon misinformation.
Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:46:10 GMT
Someone asked about tomato paste. While I can't speak about the acceptability of tomatoes on the SCD diet, I can talk about food chemicals.
One of the laws (at least in the US) is that manufacturers do not need to list ingredients of ingredients. Tomato paste does not have a "standard of identity" (a regulations specifying how something will be made) so if listed as an ingredient, the ingredients of it can contain anything they want to put into it! This will mean that invariably it will contain HVP/MSG, which is often made from a gluten grain (or soy if not gluten).
When buying tomato paste straight, you will find some that are pure tomato paste (generally no salt ones) and you will find ones with natural flavors or natural flavorings. These are legal euphemisms for HVP/MSG.\.
Wed, 7 May 1997 0:24:09 GMT
I'm the one that said soy protein should be allowed. This is because it is
only certain carbohydrates we need to avoid, not protein. The reason soy
milk is not allowed is because it still contains carbohydrates. I mean we
are allowed to eat yogurt as long as we ferment it long enough to get rid of
disaccharides even though the milk proteins are still present, so why
shouldn't we be able to eat soy if it's only the protein component of it?
Also, I read the information in the book about soy protein intolerance, and
it doesn't say that people with IBD have this problem, it only says that in
some instances there are similar symptoms.
But anyway, it is a personal choice to eat it or not. I cannot find tuna
without soy protein (and some other products as well) that doesn't cost more
than double the one containing soy protein. And it happens to be a big part
of my diet so I don't want to give it up. I just want to let other people
know who are having this problem that eating the soy protein has not caused
me any problems.
Also, someone mentioned that laxative properties of coffee in response to a
question about decafe coffee. But isn't it the caffeine that causes this?
Hope everyone is well.
Tina (Ontario, Canada)
>Subject: Re: baking soda?
>>my name is Miroslav and I live in Germany. I have got a copy of the
>>"Specific Carbohydrate Diet" and studied the recipies. For some of the
>>breads "baking soda" as opposed to "baking powder" is required and I
>>don`t know what "baking soda" is as it is translated in the dictionary
>>the same way as "baking powder". I would be grateful if anyone helped me
>>explaining what "baking soda" is.
Hi there Miroslav,
Baking Soda is different to baking powder.
Baking Soda is Sodium Bicarbonate alone.
Baking Powder is a mixture of 1 part Sodium Bicarbonate and 2 parts Cream of Tartar. You can mix up your own and avoid harmful additives and starches that are also added to make it free-running. mix together and store in an airtight glass jar.
Mon, 12 May 1997 4:19:24 GMT
Lecithin is made from soy, so its strictly not on the diet. If you want
real peanut butter that is not rancid and requires no stabilisers or
additives like lecithin, go to your healthfood shop. Most of them will
grind peanuts or other nuts into butter on the spot at the consistency you
>There was a comment recently that iodized salt could be a bad thing. Does
>anyone have any more information on this? - I use it sometimes, assuming it
>would help with any deficiencies.
That was me. I used to use table salt until I found it was just as devoid of natural balance as white flour and whit sugar. White salt, has been refined and had all its trace minerals removed. These minerals are then srecovered and sold to the chemical industry or pharmaceutical companies for use in dietary supplements. Biodynamic salt is available and would be better than common salt, but it too has been processed somewhat. Celtic Salt from france is available that has been harvested in the traditional method to provide a balance of minerals that is very healing internally and externally (as a poultice).
hope you can find some.
Kari A. Hufnagel wrote:
Cayenne has been touted as a good herb for UC it will not do much by
itself, and is best taken adjuctively. It's action is to increase mucous
production in the bowel. supposedly protecting it from damage. In my
experience, this is not such a good thing. Stimulating an already upside
down immune system through irritation is not a good theory in my books.
Also cayenne is very high ion salycilates, a naturally occuring pesticide,
but a handful for the liver nevertheless. I have found Slippery elm and
Psyllium to be much more effective provided they are taken between meals
with plenty of water. They then act as a kind of 'artificial' mucous that
helps the stools through quickly and they themselves absorb toxins.
Fri, 9 May 1997 22:37:40 GMT
Before I was on the diet I ate everything I wanted as this is what my
doctor told me. Incidentally he does not believe in the diet. This means
that I also drank occasionally. One night (my birthday) I was dared to
drink a prairie fire, well being the stupid piehead I'am I did it. For
those of you who don't know what a prairie fire is it is a shot of tequila
(sp?) with a lot of cayenne sauce, sounds yummy doesn't it? Well let me
just say that was undoutably the dummest thing I have done in all my life.
The next day was hell as well as the next two months. My weight at the
time of the dare was about 115 lbs, about a month later it was at 79 lbs,
no kidding. I was hospilalized and put on TPN for ten days. I was
released and at home I bounced back to normal. Bounced meaning it took
about four months. The moral of the story is don't eat those dammed
cayeene pills or any hot sauce.