> Has anyone here done any research on Candida Albicans?
I have been doing a little and was wondering if anyone has
My sense from hearing about candida (which, by the way, is
more properly pronounced CAN-dida, not can-DEE-da) for years
and years is
that it's a more prevalent problem than the hardcore medical
line would say, but not nearly as ubiqitous as the many authors
sellers and certain practitioners would have us believe. There's
a lot of literature out there connecting every problem under
the sun to
candida without a whole lot of solid data to back it up. It's
hard to diagnose, hard to say whether it's a cause or a result
of another problem, and beware especially of self-diagnostic
Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:21:20 GMT
Where have you been lately?
I've been having a lot of problems with candida, my suggestion
is that you get a FEW books on the subject. They vary widely.
The best I've seen is a virtual encylopedia and the source
of almost all my orthomolecular knowledge. It's called "It
could be allergy and it can be cured." It's not based
around the scd diet, but the scd diet can be adapted to fit
and the additional information on vital topics is very well
covered: environmental factors, candida associated allergies
and intolerances, the importance of rest, oxygen and sleep,
as well as what medications to use and how to tell your doctor
what to do ; just to name a few. Phillip Alexander is the
Any good book on the subject should cover the following principles
1.Suppression of the yeast infection with a specific anti-candida
Nystatin at low to increasing dosage, Caprilic acid, Garlic,
2: Starvation of the yeast by diet modification:
Elimination of Simple carbohydrates such as Honey, Lactose,
3: Avoidance of Yeast Promoting medications:
broad spectrum anti-biotics, as well as immunosuppressants
such as cortisone and imuran
4: Resting the immune system by avoidance of yeast foods
reducing the workload on the immune system enables it to have
the energy to kill candida. This is a key factor. All the
others just weaken the yeast. The immune system is the one
that finishes it off, but only if it is energised enough.
Eating yeast foods, tires out the immune system since it is
forced to "shadow box" these invaders that mimic
the candida. Yeast foods include: bread, all hard cheeses
(only the DCCC allowed and the yogurt) wine beer and vinegar.
5:Identification and avoidance of chemicals and other allergens
reduce load on immune system caused by :
car fumes; chemical pollutants; insecticides colours; preservatives;
emulsifiers and food allergens as well as inhaled allergens.
6: Avoidance of yeast spores.
Mould spores are released invisibly by the millions into the
air by mould in areas such as bathroom, kitchen and around
leaking pipes in walls. Remove the mould or move out to a
dry sunny spot.
7: Vitamins and mineral supplement are vital for the program
since candida taxes the bodies own reserves of vitamins and
To do this on the diet, you must be on beans and lentils and
peas. Daily and rotated to avoid getting an allergy and to
get enough carbohydrates.
You should build up a reserve of minerals for 4-6 weeks prior
with the metabolism balancing diet (or a scd modified version
there of) then get ready to follow all 7 factors at once.
Only in this way can it be beaten.
Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:02:38 EST
Subject: Re: Parasites
of you looking for a lab to test for parasites. The Institute
of Parasitic Disease in Arizona has a great reputation for
finding "bugs" that other labs do not detect, and
much less expensive then Great Smokies Lab. I originally sent
them a stool specimen about 7 months ago and and they found
2 different parasites and a slight overgrowth of candida.
2 Months prior to that, I was tested by a hospital lab which
found nothing. I took an herbal formular called Botanefuge
for 3 months, was retested and there was no sign of parasites.
Unfortunately although giving up fruit and honey for 2 months
and of course strict adherence to the SCD minus any yeast
foods, such as mushrooms, alchohol, vinegar...and taking natural
remedies for candida (caprylic acid), I still tested with
a slight overgrowth. I've now been off of all fruit and honey
.... for 4 months. I am going to be retested again next week
to see if there is any progress in the candida area. To order
a test kit call (602) 545-9236. It's about $15.00. You take
your stool specimen and send to The Institute of Parasitic
Disease. Their phone is (602) 955-4211. They will fax the
results to any doctor you choose including a holistic doctor.
The actual test is about $70.00. If you have any questions,
Hope this helps, Lois (UC)
Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:23:19 GMT
I am most definitely a candida sufferer, having a visible
coating on my tongue for the last 30 years, bouts of athlete's
verification using a saliva test, and many other hallmark
symptoms. I did a search on the net using "candida"
and found a very thorough description of this syndrome under
the heading of Citricidal. Their outline of the symptoms of
Candida is exhaustive and brilliant but their product has
not helped me at all.
also tried Colloidal Silver which is a highly controversial
and highly touted cure all. A search on the net will bring
unbelievable amount of info on this product with some very
severe warnings on possible long term toxicity. I can't really
say whether the silver has helped me or not. I have lately
been doing unusually well. But my tongue is still coated.
Good luck in your search. The candida link is explored on
the Crohn's Colitis site. I have investigated the ideas of
Dr. Hulda Clark.
Her claim is that our bodies are comprised of 85% good bacteria
and 15% bad bacteria, virus, fungi, etc. The good bacteria,
particularly in the digestive tract, are well able to control
the bad bacteria. When you toss a few antibiotics down there
in the normal course of your life, you knock out some of the
good bacteria. According to the medical profession, this is
not a major concern, although scientifically correct. According
to Hulda Clark, the body does not recover well from this assault.
The balance is changed, now there are maybe 70% good bacteria
and 30% bad. Add some sugar, which fungi thrive on, and you
change the balance more. Dr. Clark declares that many of us
are running on 85% bad bacteria and 15% good. Makes perfect
sense to me. Great Smokies Labs will analyze this balance
for those who so
desire. One fellow on Compuserve was shocked to learn he had
no Lactobacillus Acidophilus in his sample at all, despite
months of intense supplementation with probiotics. The bad
bacteria clearly had the upper hand in his case.
if you can regain the proper balance, you can get the Candida
back under control and once again enjoy good health. Easier
than done. Elaine states that the diet will do this, but such
has not been the case for me, at least not quickly. I am of
the opinion that this
disorder requires a comprehensive approach as previously outlined
by our resident encyclopedic, Michael. I have found that the
skin needs to be treated as well, particularly hands and feet.
Perhaps reinfection is occurring through these modes. Particularly
hands. I rinsed my hands using 6% hydrogen peroxide. I rinsed
them twice and rubbed them together. On the second rinse,
I was shocked to see white patches come up, exactly the same
as comes up on my tongue with a hydrogen peroxide swishing.
Finding the cure for these fungal patches has been a challenge,
and of course is ongoing.
rate this is the SCD site and not the candida site. I don't
often post anymore as the diet was not the definitive answer
However it still forms the basis of everything else that I
do while my personal search continues unabated. Also I find
tremendous help from the various postings. My health improvement
from the diet has been most remarkable, but has not been complete.
Lately I have been doing really well in all aspects but have
not been able to pinpoint exactly where the improvement is
coming from, and also am not sure that it is permanent. I
am keeping a detailed journal, and just hoping that this will
keep up. As Rachel has stated, I am suspicious that I am predisposed
to this disorder and may actually never be free of it. I am
also by nature a renegade and have been exploring alternatives
not acceptable to any intelligent and clear thinking being,
especially not Elaine! but something is going right, at least
I wish the naturopath had been of more help to you, but your
experience is the same as mine. I have been to several. One
put me through an interview of more than an hour and then prescibed
a homeopathic remedy which did nothing. They mean well and try
hard and charge lots but that's about it, from my perspective.
I agree with you that in following the diet, empty calories
are eliminated. The food is packed with nutrition. Sheila's
suggestion on using Ann Louise Gittleman as a focal point for
diagnosing parasites is an interesting one, I have considered
it and have sent away for the info but the cost is high for
having a sample evaluated and then... will the remedies really
work. I am all done with those avenues but hope you will give
it a try and report back!!
Sat, 22 Feb 1997 3:28:15 GMT
<I'm wondering if the scd is the
diet of choice for those with Candida?
<Is Candida related to these microbes that haunt those
of us with IBS,
<UC/Crohn's and others with chronic D?
According to Elaine, the diet will address candida
and the problems associated with it. This is a problem which
I suffer from, and if the diet
cures it, it doesn't do it very quickly! However, I have found
nothing else that works any better, or even comes close, so
I stay with the diet. While not cured, many of my yeast related
problems are now history and I will forever be grateful to
Elaine for that and to the group as well. Also, my daughter
follows the diet loosely and it has been enough to get rid
of some of her yeast related problems as well.
I think there was a post from someone objecting to "candida"
as a subject but my personal opinion is that this subject
is acceptable since this is in fact not a crohn's site but
an scd site, and Elaine has stated that the diet will address
candida. I hope that was stated gently enough to not be offensive,
I'm afraid I'm not very tactful!
I am always searching for backups to the diet that will put
an end to this miserable disorder, specifically I still battle
IBS. It seems to me that on days when I take the time to exercise,
at least 1/2 hour and enough to work up a bit of a sweat,
that the diet becomes more effective and I am better off for
a few days. I know this is only common sense but maybe will
help someone who is teetering on success as I am, but tottering
Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:41:50 GMT
In the book, those with Candida are told to drastically reduce
the amount of honey used.
From what I have read in another book the following also should
No bananas, melons or grapes or any dried fruits
no canned or bottled fruit juices - only fresh squeezed (in
fresh fruit (only 2 pieces per day).
yoghurt (in small quantities)
In general increase your intake of whole food complex carbohydrates
and yes the oxygen, not the sweat is more desirable, deep
breathing (as for yoga) whilst gently walking is what is needed
to deeply oxygenate the tissues without burning too many calories
(losing weight )
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 00:20:31 +0200
From: Odd Oivind Bergstad <oddb@STOVNER.VGS.NO>
Subject: Re: Flare after 14 months???
To Cheryl and Denise who wrote:
>By the way, I wouldn't discount
the hot, humid weather. I work in a health
>clinic and we always see more bouts of diarrhea during
periods of extreme heat
>and humidity. Perhaps the bacteria thrive during those
I don't know, but the fungus loves it!! So many people
are not aware of these little gangsters called CANDIDA. They
sit in the gut and are just waiting for a chance to colonize
the colon and ileum. That's what the youghurt is all about,
get the good bugs in and let them conquer Candida and others.
The most famous one - Candida Albicans - produce acetaldehyde
from suger. And, here is one problem, many people don't even
know that acetaldehyd is far more toxic than alcohol. Symtoms
are headeach, joint pain, premenstrual syndrom. The target
organ is the brain. Some people get scizzofrenia from this
Now Candida Albicans is a nice guy as long he is the minority,
but as soon as he gets into position, he will change and grow
ROOTS in the gut. And through the holes he creats in the gut,
undigested food will come in contact with the immune defence
behind the mucosa. The resoult is food allergi.
Maybe I am just boring you with stuff you already know to
well, but in my opinion there is time to focus on other words
like SCD and carbohydrates on this list and also on the IBDLIst!
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:18:43 EST
Subject: Re: pro biotics - help!
In a message dated 98-10-29 23:32:27 EST, you write:
I can't seem to beat the Candidaisis, and can't bear the thought
of giving up fruit, cheese, etc. for a long time, so I thought
I'd give Pro
Biotics a try. I've been taking Nature's Biotics for about
3 weeks or so, increasing the dosage as suggested on the bottle.
For the past week or so I seem to be having a bit of a relapse.
No -D-, but not normal either. I'm also sore in the areas
were I know my crohn's is. Could
this be the 'die off' I've heard several of you mention? I
hadn't had any symptoms for about 9 months, so I'm fairly
certain the Biotics are the cause, but I don't know if this
is 'good' - cleaning out yeast, or a real relapse. I'm going
to stop taking them for now, but if someone has had a similar
experiance, please let me know.>>
I too experienced exactly what you describe. The manufacturer
suggests that you reduce the frequency of the capsules rather
than eliminate them entirely. You should have gotten an instruction
sheet explaining this. From the instructions, "As Nature's
Biotics begins working in the body, some people experience
various stages of the natural healing process. This means
that your body is doing its own work, so if you notice any
signs of flu-like symptoms, fatigue, constipation, or diarrhea,
etc., do not become discouraged and discontinue using the
product. Simply reduce your dosage for a few days until you
have moved through the condition. Rember, Nature's Biotics
has no toxic side-effects. Any symptom described is a pro-benefit,
in that it means your body is responding to the product and
working to repair
itself." You may want to review the instruction sheet.
I have been taking Nature's Biotics since Nov. 14th last year
and continue to do so with great success.
If yeast has been isolated from lab tests, taking the Nature's
Biotics doesn't give you a license to cheat from the anti-candida
diet. Eating fruit will defeat the purpose of the probiotic
if you have yeast . The probiotic should displace the yeast.
Feeding the yeast while trying to elliminate it is not a good
My experience with Nature's Biotics can be found on my web
I hope this information helps.
Carl W. Tuttle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:10:41 -0700
From: email@example.com (Julie A Marcelia)
Subject: Re: white tongue
A white tongue is not always a yeast indicator. I'll quote
from Pre. for Nutritional Healing: "Fungal infection
of the mouth is referred to as oral thrush, a condition in
which creamy-looking white patches form on the tongue and
mucous membranes of the mouth. If the patches are scraped
off, bleeding may result." A COATED tongue, on the other
hand, is also white looking but not patchy and not on mucous
membranes (cheeks, etc.) This can be an indication of the
body trying to detox; some say it indicates liver function.
(This could very well be the result of a diseased gut, or
drugs- usually quite hard on the liver.) Hope this clears
up any possible confusion.
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 08:30:46 -0700
From: "Protocol Consulting" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Candida
Start here - http://www.goodbyecandida.com/symptoms.html.
The SCD looks to be a good anticandida diet too though because
candida thrives on sugars. The candida sites I have been to,
although not so specific in diet are similar in many ways.
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:15:02 -0800
From: Tom <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: GI doctors
was convinced that at least part of my problems were due to
candida. But everything I tried to fight candida failed to
do any good, while other things (such as the SCD) did help
me. So, while I think that problems with candida can really
exist, I suspect that a lot of cases are actually something
tried the CDSA test from Great Smokies lab? It said that I
have no problem at all with candida, and also identified other
organisms that are indeed causing me problems. The treatment
for those organisms helped right away whereas no candida treatment
ever helped me.
them at 800-522-4762 to get a list of physicians in your area
that are familiar with the tests. Check their web page at