SCD-list 13 Sept 1997
SCD-list Sat, 13 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 38 In this issue: Re: Nut Flour..... Re: food Re: burnt cookies Re: Nut Flour..... Re: burnt cookies Re: food Re: beans and bloating When SCD does not work - then what? Re: Food Processor vs. Blender Re:Pizza crust Re: beans and bloating Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Re: Food Processor vs. Blender Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Re: beans and bloating Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Re: [Fwd: SCD] -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JARN3000@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Nut Flour..... Message-ID: <970912182621_1921137419@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hi -- I was wondering if someone could describe just how large 25 pounds of almond flour is? (Bigger than a breadbox?? ;-) How do you all store it?? I've been grinding my own, but remarks about the finer texture and lighter baked goods are tempting me to order some from Hughson's. It's just the enormous-sounding quantity that scares me! Thanks - Julie from Boston ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:59:16 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: food Message-ID: <v01550100b03f2507ae09@[206.40.74.51]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Debbie, My experience is that there is simply no comparison between home-ground nut flour and that you can buy from Hughson Nut Company (almond flour); and almond flour has a much better texture (more similar to wheat flour) than pecan meal which I Also ordered from Dutch Valley Nut Co. I would not both with the pecan meal; but definitely go for the 25 pound lot of almond flour at Hughson Nut Company and package it like Rachel does (me, too now) in plastic bags in 3 cup quantities. Stack in the freezer and take out as you need. Good luck. Prateeksha >Hello & thanks to all who answered my questions, > >I have tried several of the book's recipes with varying results. The >basic nut muffins & the stir fry came out great. The zucchini pizza >crust & the almond honey crisps were awful. > >Possibly the problem with the pizza was that I used frozen,thawed grated >zucchini. I will use fresh next time. The crisps were just a runny, >soupy mess that my husband used as an ice cream topping. Any >suggestions? > >I'm wondering if the consistency of home-ground nut flour and bought >flour is that big of a diff. I almost cried at the waste of it. Here in >NC, almonds are $7.99/lb. and I lost half of what I had in the "bad" >recipes. Could this be what went wrong? > >Thanks, >Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:03:19 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: burnt cookies Message-ID: <v01550101b03f2662ff73@[206.40.74.59]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Dan, I'm very forgetful and have burned a lot of food until I started using a small kitchen timer and I set it and take it with me when I am away from the kitchen for any length of time...watching tv, watering plants, yard, etc. so I don't get involved and forget and burn the food. Maybe this would help you. Prateeksha Hi group, > >Well seems that staying up late has price to it. > >The last three nights I've stayed up 'till midnight making SCD >food. This includes 2 weeks supply of soup, 3-4 weeks of hamburgers, >cheese cake, home-made grape jello, yogurt, and last night the >date-filled cookies (without the dates). Well, last night we >had a visitor until 11pm and I still wanted to make my cookies >after since I was taking Friday off from work. After putting in >my 3rd batch (2 dozen at a time) of cookies, I went downstairs to >watch TV. Twoo hours later I realized that I had fallen asleep >and there was a funny smell in the house. I burnt my cookies ! >What a waste :( > >I am sure many of you can relate to this ! > >Thanks... Dan. > >*************************************************************** >* Dan Woods The University of Calgary * >* dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * >*************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:07:41 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Nut Flour..... Message-ID: <v01550102b03f26fd2402@[206.40.74.59]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >When my first 25 pounds came a couple of weeks ago, it measured about >4"high and 18" long and 10-12" deep in the plastic bag it was wrapped in >inside the cardboard box. If you store it in the small plastic zip lock >bags, 3 cups at a time and stack it in the freezer, it doesn't take up as >much space as plastic containers which I first tried and soon ran out of >room! I have a small freezer in the top of my fridge and all 25 pounds >went in there; but not much else! So, I have basically given up my >freezer to nut flour! Prateeksha Hi -- > >I was wondering if someone could describe just how large 25 pounds of almond >flour is? (Bigger than a breadbox?? ;-) How do you all store it?? I've >been grinding my own, but remarks about the finer texture and lighter baked >goods are tempting me to order some from Hughson's. It's just the >enormous-sounding quantity that scares me! > >Thanks - >Julie from Boston ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: burnt cookies Message-ID: <970912210617_-97209107@emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-12 19:59:50 EDT, you write: << > >Well seems that staying up late has price to it. > >The last three nights I've stayed up 'till midnight making SCD >food. This includes 2 weeks supply of soup, 3-4 weeks of hamburgers, >cheese cake, home-made grape jello, yogurt, and last night the >date-filled cookies (without the dates). Well, last night we >had a visitor until 11pm and I still wanted to make my cookies >after since I was taking Friday off from work. After putting in >my 3rd batch (2 dozen at a time) of cookies, I went downstairs to >watch TV. Twoo hours later I realized that I had fallen asleep >and there was a funny smell in the house. I burnt my cookies ! >What a waste :( > >I am sure many of you can relate to this ! > >Thanks... Dan. >> Dan, I can really relate!! It's amazing how much cooking it takes to keep up with this (and the related potential for kitchen accidents). Tonight I came home from work planning to have meatloaf for supper that I made last night. I only needed to make ketchup to go with it. Luckily I had already bought a bunch of fresh tomatoes to make it with. I scalded them, peeled them, chopped them, and boiled them up. Added seasoning, reduced it a bit, and then poured the boiling mass into the blender. I put the top on and held it down, turned on the blender, and the force was tremendous! It sprayed scalding tomatoes all over me and all over the kitchen. My face and one arm were immediately painful. My housemate ended up helping me get ice on my face and cleaning up most of the mess. It was pretty traumatic. He finished the blending and I had supper (after I changed clothes, put on salve, cleaned tomatoes out of my hair....) When I finished supper I decided to avoid the kitchen for the rest of the night and get in bed with a book. This is the only group I could admit this to! My housemate says I should buy a food processor and that way these things won't happen. He says that with a food processor, the ingredients are locked in and won't push their way out. Is he right? Would this be a wise investment in my personal safety? (I keep thinking I'll get used to using the blender for such things but this is my second disaster) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: food Message-ID: <970913081042_2085214912@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-13 02:28:07 EDT, you write: << I'm wondering if the consistency of home-ground nut flour and bought flour is that big of a diff. I almost cried at the waste of it. Here in NC, almonds are $7.99/lb. and I lost half of what I had in the "bad" recipes. Could this be what went wrong? >> That could be part of it (I haven't tried grinding my own yet though--perhaps others will comment). I also haven't yet tried the cited recipes (again I hope others will comment--I'd like to try these too) Basically, trying to use almond flour in place of grain flour is very challenging since they are very different substances and behave very differently in cooking. Almond flour looks like a dry ingredient but, in reality, is 60% oil. (You may have already noticed that it has a tendency to turn into almond butter when over processed). Anything that makes the recipe either wetter or more oily can cause problems (frozen grated zuchinni is probably "wetter" than fresh grated). Different levels of processing probably also vary its properties. I know what you mean about the tragedy of wasting it. It's expensive, and the process of the baking takes a lot of time and effort as well. Don't be hard on yourself though. I think we've all had recipes turn out really badly on this diet. I think it's tricky to make some of these things work--getting just the right balance--and it's possible that even high humidity could cause a problem if the recipe is particularly sensitive. As time goes on, you'll find those that work well consistently and find workarounds to improve others. This group is a good place to find those. Best of luck to you, Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 07:23:05 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: beans and bloating Message-ID: <199709131431.HAA22446@cascade.pacificrim.net> ---------- > From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: "skinning" beans > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 5:06 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Has anyone else had this "bloating" problem? I was having it when I was > not quite in the state of remission I find myself, and it scared me away > from the beans. More specifically, has anyone out there who has gotten > "better" from the diet gone on to eat the beans without any problems? > I'd love to eat them again, since they are so cheap compared to other > "legal" foodstuffs like almond flour, but I'm scared it might make me > sick again... Dear Matthew, I tried the beans after having been on the diet for a few months, and did great. Sometimes I'd make the recipe in the book, or I'd cook the beans until tender in nothing but water and salt. The plain ones I liked served with cheddar cheese and fresh salsa on top. After several months of success with the beans, all of a sudden I started noticing the bloating problem, so I decided to quit eating them for a while. I tried again 2 or 3 more times with a break in between, without success. It would take about 2 weeks for the bloating to subside. About a year ago I decided to give the lentils a try. Surprisingly, I have absolutely no problem with them. I've been buying red lentils, because it looks like they don't have a skin. You can make great soups with lentils, and they are also inexpensive. I've been thinking of trying the beans again soon, but I'm waiting for a time when I don't have much going on in case I have to go through the 2 weeks... My plan is to eat a small amount the first day, and if I do OK, then eat a little more the next, but not overdo it. I would also be interested in hearing about other people's experience with the beans. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 07:49:39 PDT From: "Kurt Jensen" <kurt_j@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: When SCD does not work - then what? Message-ID: <19970913144939.17170.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, After more than 8 months of serious SCD, I have come to the conclusion that this diet does not help my colon CD at all. Now comes the obvious question: What to try next? I still belive (or hope) that some diet can (to some extent) help with this disease, but what diet? Where do people go after SCD fails on them? - Kurt ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:09:02 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Processor vs. Blender Message-ID: <v01550100b04008545db7@[206.40.74.59]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Ellen, I have both and since being on the diet, have not used my blender once! In making the cheesecake, it's a breeze with the food processor; likewise, cookies, soups pureed, etc. Couldn't be without it now. Also, I ground the nuts in it, and while they were more finely ground than with a blender, they still don't come close to being the finely ground flour like consistency as Hughson Nut Company gets their almond flour. So, some things just don't work well in food processors...nuts are one of them. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:16:41 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Pizza crust Message-ID: <v01550101b0400986a58d@[206.40.74.35]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently made the pizza recipe in the book and it turned out excellent, except it was too salty. I used fresh zucchini and grated it using my food processor attachment for grating (done in nothing flat) and Hughson's nut flour. The tomato sauce was excellent, but I would not put much salt in it (you can always add that later.) I took this to a party where others were eating lasagna and everyone wanted my pizza, after tasting; but I kept it for myself since I couldn't share their lasagna! I furnished the dessert...those fabulous cookies (pecan, cocanut, raisin) and two women said they were the best they had ever tasted and wanted the recipe! My SCD food was a real hit! Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:21:02 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: beans and bloating Message-ID: <v01550102b0400b480f44@[206.40.74.35]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >---------- > Dear Lucy, Bloating is one of the problems I have...and I haven't tried beans or lentils in quite awhile; however, in the past, they have been very very difficult for me to tolerate, giving me incredible bloating, gas and diarrhea. I tried the orange lentils and the green; pinto beans, white great northern; kidney, and black beans. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:24:05 -0700 From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Message-ID: <v01550103b0400c2e4547@[206.40.74.35]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi, > >After more than 8 months of serious SCD, I have come to the conclusion >that this diet does not help my colon CD at all. > >Now comes the obvious question: What to try next? > >I still belive (or hope) that some diet can (to some extent) help with >this disease, but what diet? > >Where do people go after SCD fails on them? > >- Kurt > >______________________________________________________ Dear Kurt, I have a friend with CD which is now in remission about a year; he went to an accupuncturist and took Mannatech products only and is eating everything he wants to now except lemon juice! Mannatech's Manapol. Good luck to you with whatever you decide on. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Processor vs. Blender Message-ID: <970913132211_535677320@emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-13 12:05:39 EDT, you write: << Also, I ground the nuts in it, and while they were more finely ground than with a blender, they still don't come close to being the finely ground flour like consistency as Hughson Nut Company gets their almond flour. So, some things just don't work well in food processors...nuts are one of them. >> I ground my own nuts today for the first time (I'm waiting for my order from Hughson's to arrive). I used a brand new coffee grinder that I hadn't yet used for coffee beans. That worked well. It's still not as fine as Hughsons though. The muffins I made with the home ground flour have a coarser but not unpleasing texture. Like making something with whole wheat instead of white flour. There's more of a nutty texture and flavor too--someone would think you added some ground nuts to the recipe. (Personnally, I don't actually like nuts very much so I prefer the Houghson's flour. When I bake with that you really can't tell there are any nuts in it. I've fed muffins made with the Hughson's flour to a friend who really detests nuts and even he liked them!) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:37:00 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Message-ID: <19970913171541.AAA12039@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: Kurt Jensen <kurt_j@hotmail.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: When SCD does not work - then what? > Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 10:49 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Kurt, Sorry to hear the Scd did not do the trick for you, Have you read , " Eat Right for your Type" By : Dr . D'Amato or another one you might check out is " Enter the Zone " By: Barry Sears, PH.D. I have read the first and am just starting out reading the second they are similar to the SCD but just a few different twists. They would certainly be worth a read. Good Luck, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 13:43:27 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Message-ID: <9709131843.AA09281@swansong.amd.com> i agree with Kay, try "Enter The Zone" and if you actually go on the diet buy "Mastering The Zone" because Sears left out some really important details in "Enter The Zone, like getting constipated and needing to take fish oil, or needing potasium supplementation since the diet has a strong diurectic effect and will deplete you of electrolytes. also there are two good internet sites, http://www.enterthezone.com (find out about the diet some here too) and http://www.zonehome.com. if you really get into the zone diet beware of protein powder, some are actually lableled wrong, i bought the stuff in the bin at whole foods, 2 tbs = 28g (25g protein) , but when i recently bought an accurate scale i couldn't get two heaping tablespoons to weigh more than 20 g. the zone is the SCD with restrictions on quantities, to avoid an insulin spike, which Sears believes is the root of all evil. you get these spikes from the carbohydrates you gave up on the SCD diet (honey and carrots are given up on the Zone though for the insulin spike problem) and if you eat more than about 5 ounces of protein at any one meal or snack, fat has no effect on insulin. there is a similar diet in "Protein Power", but i bought the book to read not to follow, it is a better single book than "Enter The Zone" but 3 of 4 people who went on its diet bailed out after starving themselves on only 35g of carb per day, while 4 of 4 people who went on the zone are still on it a year later. dont do the zone if you need to gain weight, you will lose all your fat though and while losing it you may need to add fish oil or slow the rate of loss by adding additional carbohydrates, as several problems could occur do to a sensitivity to arrachidonic acid (AA). this is caused, by the fat cells releasing stored arachidonic acid (AA) (this happened to me and i am very sensitive to it.) the fish oil competes with the AA for the delta six destaturase enzyme and thus reduces the conversion of AA to Prostaglandin type 2 eicosanoids. the latest research is finding that fish oil helps those suffering from crohns stay in remission. the makers of asacol believe that PGE2 (a type two eicosanoid) and LTB4 (a leukotrine eicosanoid) are the main culprits in bowel diseases and they targeted asacol to mediate their excessive production in the colon. you can find this information on the drug insert. good luck, please keep us posted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > From: Kurt Jensen <kurt_j@hotmail.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: When SCD does not work - then what? > Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 10:49 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Kurt, Sorry to hear the Scd did not do the trick for you, Have you read , " Eat Right for your Type" By : Dr . D'Amato or another one you might check out is " Enter the Zone " By: Barry Sears, PH.D. I have read the first and am just starting out reading the second they are similar to the SCD but just a few different twists. They would certainly be worth a read. Good Luck, Kay ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:57:18 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Message-ID: <l03010d00b0409e6379e5@[199.171.4.121]> Dear Kurt, I've no idea what to suggest that you try next. For me the SCD was the ONLY thing that did give me releif from IBD symptoms. Please do not take this question as a challange of any sort or a questioning of your attempt at the diet. Have you been doing the SCD 100%? In the past when someone has said that the diet didn't work for them, I've asked this question and in many cases the person trying the diet had made modifications because they thought that the diet could be taken piecemeal, or they didn't care for yogurt. In my experience, especially at the beggining, the diet has to be worked in it's entirety. It's true that even though the diet has an unusually high success rate, even when done exactly as written, it doesn't work for everyone. I'd prefer to think that perhaps you've left something out (something that can be easily rectified), than to think that the diet simply doesn't work for you. In any case, I wish you lots of luck in your quest and hope that you find good health very soon. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:06:04 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: beans and bloating Message-ID: <l03010d01b040a0db0e51@[199.171.4.155]> Dear all, As I've mentioned before, I still experience bloating when eating too much in any one sitting. Its as though my damaged gut can only digest a small amount of food at one time. Out of all our allowable foods, I do find beans the most difficult to digest and can only eat a small amount at a time with feeling the bloat. I can even eat every 2 to 3 hours as long as I don't overdo. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:39:42 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: When SCD does not work - then what? Message-ID: <970913183939_1988416008@emout04.mail.aol.com> You might consider eliminating the dairy from the diet. It is possible that you are sensitive to milk rather than just sensitive to lactose. If you haven't already tried this, it might be an easy change to try and see if that helps. This change moves you closer to the paleothetic diet (one book about that is "Neanderthin"). One of the points they make is that man is poorly adapted to digesting grains and milk since they have only done so for the last 10,000 years. Man is also the only animal who (a) drinks milk as an adult and (b) drinks the milk of another animal. After all, cows milk was originally intended for other cows! ;-) I would not consider jumping back to a conventional diet just because this particular approach isn't solving your problem. The foods it eliminates may still be part of the equation. Moreover, I've read that eating gluten after being gluten free for a long time can make you rather ill (I believe it is because you stop producing the enzymes necessary to digest it when you stop eating it for a long time) I'm no expert, so I would suggest checking with one if you are considering a return to gluten. If you eliminate the dairy, the last step toward the paleothetic diet is to eliminate beans--including green beans. (I'm just including this for completeness) I've also heard of those who have had success by eliminating vegetables of the nightshade family. I believe this includes eggplant and kale but I don't know enough about it to list them for you here. I'm not sure about the idea of going to "The Zone" diet especially if you are of normal or sub-normal weight. My understanding is that the diet is designed for weight loss and I'm not sure that limiting your portions is necessary or sensible. (Just my opinion). I hope you find something that helps you. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 01:21:46 +0200 From: mik@inform-bbs.dk (mik aidt) To: bmac@jps.net, SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: mcirill@emory.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: SCD] Message-ID: <327678.49892346@inform-bbs.dk> Barbara writes: > Is there a home page? Yes, Barbara (and Matthew), there are several, most of which are listed here: http://www.inform.dk/djembe/scd/scd009.html - at the "SCD Web Library", http://www.inform.dk/djembe/scd/ Yours, Mik ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #38 **********************
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