SCD-list December 1997 SCD-list Tue, 23 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 139 In this issue: Re: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help 24 hr yogurt & migraine Re: dizziness Yogurt Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Re: Yogurt -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: R Pavley <rpavley@earthlink.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Message-ID: <199712230346.TAA17972@iceland.it.earthlink.net> >Can the yogurt be a coincidence that you had a migraine headache. I would >try the diet without the yogurt for a couple of weeks and then try the >yogurt. Hopefully it was a coincidence. > >Good Luck! > >Happy Holidays > >Jim > Jim - Unfortunately, this wasn't a coincidence. I didn't mention it but I tried the 24 yogurt twice - same result, migraine. I'm now trying an experiment - making regular 4 hour yogurt then treating it with lactase drops to see if this causes a headache. If so, then I will conclude that it is something about the Yogoumet brand of starter and will try something else as a starter. If it doesn't cause a headache, then I will conclude that it is the long brewing time, and something about the yogurt being "super-cultured" that caused the problem. In this case, I'm not sure what else to try. Is there anyone else out there who has gotten a headache from the 24 hour yogurt, but has no problem with lactose-free milk? I'd be interested to know how you dealt with the problem. I'd sure like to be able to eat this yogurt. I know I need the Lactobacillus!!!! It may be that I should try the diet without the yogurt, as you suggested, for awhile and see if my system will heal enough to be able to tolerate the yogurt later. Becky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:08:16 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: "SCD List" <scd-list@longisland.com> Subject: 24 hr yogurt & migraine Message-ID: <01bd0f58$653d5960$LocalHost@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD0F1D.B8DE8160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Becky Sorry to hear of your migraine. I have used the Yogormet on a few occations, but donot care for the = taste of it. For over four years I have used the "rosell" yogurt starter and find it = smoother and more paletable. I do like one litre of 1/2 and 1/2 to 2 litres of 2% with a 1/2 = package of starter, for a nice creamy and smooth yogurt. "rosell" is made in Montreal and sold throughout Canada as is the = Yogourmet. Hope this will be of some benifit to you. When trying any new food I = always try small amounts untill I see how it may effect the system. good luck to you and Seasons Greetings. William ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD0F1D.B8DE8160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Hi Becky</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sorry to hear of your migraine.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have used the Yogormet on a few occations, but = donot care=20 for the taste of it.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>For over four years I have used the = Úquot;rosellÚquot; yogurt=20 starter and find it smoother and more paletable.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I do like one litre of 1/2 and 1/2 to 2 = litres=20 of 2% with a 1/2 package of starter, for a nice creamy and = smooth=20 yogurt.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Úquot;rosellÚquot; is made in Montreal and sold = throughout=20 Canada as is the Yogourmet.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hope this will be of some benifit to you. When = trying any new=20 food I always try small amounts untill I see how it may effect the=20 system.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>good luck to you and Seasons Greetings.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>William</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BD0F1D.B8DE8160-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:12:44 -0800 (PST) From: R Pavley <rpavley@earthlink.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: dizziness Message-ID: <199712230412.UAA00419@iceland.it.earthlink.net> My husband and I have consulted our doctor regarding the control of blood sugar. He recommends having protein with each meal - and about half as much volume of carbs as of proteins, and then double the volume of protein in veggies. The protein is utilized more slowly than carbs and evens out blood sugar levels, and the veggies give us vitamins and all that good stuff. (Eating more carbs, such as fruit or juice, to raise blood sugar levels helps in the moment, but keeps the cycle of uneven blood sugar going.) If your interested in learning more, check out the book "Your Body Knows Best" by Ann Louise Gittleman, M.S. I ordered it from a bookstore, but I have seen it in health food stores also. Becky At 08:30 AM 12/19/97 EST, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Yesterday I felt like I was almost going to faint - 3 times. Same thing this >morning after I had eaten bananna and egg mixture topped with honey. Could >this be low blood sugar? Happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not eating enough >fruit or veggies, though of course I eat them, maybe just not enough? Thanks >Jane > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:04:11 EST From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt Message-ID: <7dc71ae2.349f383d@aol.com> About the Yogurt...Is the crock-pot on low an effective way to make it? It seems somewhat tricky. Val ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:00:42 EST From: HEBERT 2 <HEBERT2@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <508a60da.349fee3e@aol.com> Colleen, I am interested in your newly discovered method of healing. Let me know how you intend to disseminate the info. I am very happy for you and hope you continue to heal! Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:30:58 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogurt Message-ID: <l03110709b0c5a53276f5@[206.40.74.43]> I tried the crock-pot on low and it got too hot to make the yogurt and it was a total failure. Very few electrical appliances will go down to 100-110 degrees F. My daughter has an old wok that will so when I visit her, I use it, otherwise, I make it in the oven using the light bulb and make 1 gallon at a time; 2x/month. I'm unsubscribing for a holiday week. Prateeksha >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >About the Yogurt...Is the crock-pot on low an effective way to make it? It >seems somewhat tricky. Val ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #139 *********************** SCD-list Wed, 24 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 140 In this issue: One Year! I found this Re: One Year! Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Re:Crock-pot yogurt Re: One Year! Re: One Year! Re: One Year! Re: Crock-pot yogurt Re: Want to heal your gut for good? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:12:13 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: One Year! Message-ID: <199712241410.JAA07803@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Today is one year to the day that I started the SCD Diet. Lets see I weighed 125lb, my waist was -27, my blood count was 5, I couldn't stop going to the bathroom (average 10 times a day), I had no appetite, my fistula was inflamed and bleeding, and my stomach was killing me. I was on medication; Prednisone, Ciprofloxacin, Previcid, Flagyl, and Asacol. Today one year later! My weight today is 176lb, my waist is now 33+, my blood count is 12, I am going to the bathroom once maybe twice a day, my appetite I just can't stop eating, my fistula it's like as if it's not even there, and my stomach NO PAIN! I am also not taking any medication only a couple of vitamins. THANK GOD! This diet was one of the best things that happened to me. I have had Crohns for 71/2 years and not one day went by that I didn't have pain in my gut. GOD BLESS EVERYONE! I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday and a healthy and happy New Year! PS Thanks for each and everyone's support on this group and the previous 2 groups. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:32:54 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: I found this Message-ID: <199712241431.JAA09401@camel8.mindspring.com> I wrote this to the SCD Group almost one year ago. >Crohn's >Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:03:35 GMT >Hi! My name is Jim and I recently started the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. I am also taking medication. I >believe the diet is helping me a great deal. I gain weight every day. However, my gastroenterologist >doesn't believe in the diet, he believes in medication and surgery. My current doctor [Dr. Hoffman] wrote >the forward to the Elaine Gottschall book "Breaking the Vicious Cycle." He said I was one of the top >worst patients he saw in 1996. >During the six months before the diet I experienced a lot of stress and ate poorly. Since I started the >diet (Christmas Eve) I have gained one pound a day! I am 5'11 and weighed 158 pounds >but after the flare up my weight dropped to 125. My doctor said he cannot believe how quickly I am >recovering. I am also very surprised considering my health at the time. >He said he soon expects to see me drug free. He treats me holistically while my gastroenterologist just >gives me medication. I can't wait to get off the medication, because I now believe you are what you eat. >I am very grateful to Elaine and my doctor (Dr. Hoffman). They are heaven sent. So far 1997 is great! >Thanks, >Jim Prousalis j-pro@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:52:48 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: One Year! Message-ID: <l03010d00b0c6ce2d7604@[206.112.45.18]> Dear Jim, What a great letter at a time of year that I think gratitudes are especially meaningful. Having been one of the blessed ones, I know exactly how you feel when you reflect on life pre-SCD and today. To those still struggling with IBD, I want you to know that there's a bunch of us cheering you on and praying for your health. You are not alone, and in a disease that is so damn solitary, this has to hold some weight. As an update on my own struggle with IBD/smoking, for now I've had to relinquish some power and give in to smoking. The day after I went back to smoking, my bleeding stopped. This in no way means I encourage anyone to smoke, but for me, the cessation of smoking must have caused some kind of major trauma to my system. When I decide to try it again, I will remain on the patch longer (maybe forever). While I was bleeding and went to the patch, it didn't work because, I think I'd already caused too much damage to return from, without just going back to smoking. I would be more careful in the future. As much as I'd like to beleive that my mind is stronger than my body, (as in, I can will my way back to health) I've once again been proven wrong. UC has it's own agenda and as tough an old broad as I consider myself to be, for now I'm just going to have to listen to my body and give it what it wants. I wish you all the most joyous and healthy of holidays and deeply hope that 1998 brings us all the love, health and peace that there is to be had. Love, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 12:14:05 +0000 From: "Richard M. Troiani" <drexel1@erols.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <34A0FC94.3610@erols.com> Harvey Koelner wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Cwhartford wrote: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To all my fellow Bowel Buddies, > > > > I've been on this diet since beginning of '95. Strictly!!!! I too have had > > relapses. I have been hosptialized twice since I started this diet with > > severe flare ups of ulcerative colitis. The diet has helped me, but I've > > continued my search for a 'cure' as I continue eating the SCD, because > > although it's helped it's not cured it. > > > > I've had this disease for 14 years. I've researched health for as long as I've > > been sick. During my quest for my health I've shared openly and generously > > with people who have bowel disease anything I come across that is of some help > > to me. As I have with Elaine's Diet. I've shared it with many , many people. > > I absolutely adore Elaine. Due to my support, she has spoken many times in my > > hometown . They always went over very well. I too have done talks regarding > > this diet and bowel disease as well. > > > > As my health continues to challenge me my search continues. I thought I had > > turned over every stone as far as diets go. I thought Elaine's hit it right > > on the head. It's made so much sense. But, I continued to suffer with flare > > ups even after three years being on her diet very strictly. I have had > > allergy tests done and removed those foods from my diet as well. I have been > > under the care of a naturopath, etc. > > > > Being sick has cost me thousands of dollars, aside from how it's affected my > > quality of life and relationships with friends and family. I want to healthy > > so bad so I can live a normal, wonderful life like others are who are healthy. > > > > In June of 97, I was hospitalized again after trying to heal at homw for 5 > > months and for the life of me could not understand why I couldn't get better. > > Then when I got out of the hospital I could not come down on the prednisone > > without having the extreme symptoms come back. I started to contemplate > > surgery in Novermber because I was so sick of being sick and the side effects > > of being on such high doses of steroids were just as bad as the disease > > itself. > > > > Then my prayers were answered... > > > > I came across someone who had 'cured' themself from this very disease, > > ulceritive colitis, and has been free of symptoms for over 8 years. > > > > I checked into it and found others just like him who had 'cured' themselves of > > the disease as well as chron's and other bowel diseases...with no relapses and > > it's been years for them. Even colon cancer!!! I was crying I was so excited > > to hear this news. It's been like a message from God for me. There is light > > at the end of this very dark tunnle after all. I have been inspired to have > > hope again. I want to pass this on to you. > > > > I am for the first time since June down to 5 mgs of prednisone and in two > > weeks I plan to be off completely. Previous to my switch in diet I had not > > been able to reduce my dose of 60 mgs for 6 months. I feel this new path is > > helping me like never before. I want to share it with those of you on this > > board, but you'll have to write to me separately as It's too long to put on > > this list. > > > > I totally support people doing Elaine's diet if it's working for them on the > > level they want. But for those who are continuing to get relapses or for > > those who want to 'heal and cure' their disease ...I invite you to just check > > this out. > > > > I was going to wait a few months to share this info with you people. I wanted > > to be off the prednisone and doing REALLY well, but I am getting better and > > feel so much more vitality then I have in a year AND I'm getting bombarded > > with e-mails from this list that people are suffering still and I feel selfish > > keeping this info to myself. > > > > I'm exploring as you all are and feel it only supportive of me to share this > > with you. I have not completely healed yet...but I am no longer feeing like > > I'm going to have to face surgery. And I have been in touch with those who > > have healed completely and their teaching me how to do it. That's good enough > > for me to try it and pass on the good news! > > > > My e-mail address is cwhartford@aol.com > > > > I am planning on leaving this list soon as the SCD is no longer my focus at > > this time. > > > > I wish you all the best. > > > > In health, Colleen > What is the new diet you are on? > ravko Does anyone know where to purchase a yogurt maker thru the mail? Thanks, Rich Troiani, Southern NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:54:50 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Crock-pot yogurt Message-ID: <19971224.105456.10454.0.rosset@juno.com> Dear Val, I have an appliance called a Chef's Pot model DCP6 made by Dazey. It has variable thermostat that can be set between 0-400F. The lowest temperature the control shows is 200F, so what I did was find 105F and marked it on the control with a line. This thing holds 105F day or night, and it makes up to a gallon. A good way to locate the proper temperature is to fill the pot with water, adjust the control, and measure the water a few hours later. I did this off and on for a day or two until I found the exact temperature. I'm really liking making a gallon all at once, since I go through that much in about a week. Good luck! Lucy On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:04:11 EST ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >About the Yogurt...Is the crock-pot on low an effective way to make >it? It >seems somewhat tricky. Val > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:30:28 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: One Year! Message-ID: <19971224.113034.10454.1.rosset@juno.com> Dear Jim, Congratulations on the one year! Jim wrote: >I was on >medication; Prednisone, Ciprofloxacin, Previcid, Flagyl, and >Asacol. I recently did the math on how much money I have saved on UC drugs since being on the diet: over $20,000! I was on right around $5,000 per year, so over 4 years I have saved the insurance co. $15,000, and my out of pocket share $5,000. That's a hell of a lot of money. A healthy and happy new year to all, Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:43:09 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: One Year! Message-ID: <199712242209.OAA12114@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> <standing ovation> I wanna be like Jim one day!!!! WTG Jim! Barb Vancouver, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:04:08 EST From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: One Year! Message-ID: <4407ebc0.34a16aba@aol.com> CONGRATULATIONS, JIM! :) That is a great encouragement to those of us who are trying to help a loved one on this diet. Now I know that for sure there is hope! Happy Holidays!! Val ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:28:56 EST From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crock-pot yogurt Message-ID: <1db19e78.34a1708a@aol.com> Lucy, Thanks for the info. Can I get this chefs pot at a regular store? If not, where did you get it? Thanks again. Val ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:59:06 -0800 From: rpavley@earthlink.net (R Pavley) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: drexel1@erols.com Subject: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <v01530500b0c7357ba5be@[153.34.138.224]> >Does anyone know where to purchase a yogurt maker thru the mail? >Thanks, Rich Troiani, Southern NJ Rich - www.reach4life.com has the Salton yourt maker, the Yogourmet yogurt maker and Yogourmet starter for sale via the internet of telephone. Becky Northern CA ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #140 *********************** SCD-list Thu, 25 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 141 In this issue: Re: Crock-pot yogurt Re: Crock-pot yogurt -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:33:42 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crock-pot yogurt Message-ID: <19971224.211230.6886.0.rosset@juno.com> On Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:28:56 EST ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> writes: > Can I get this chefs pot at a regular store? If >not, >where did you get it? Hi Val, I bought it at a Costco a couple of years ago. I haven't seen it there lately. I would imagine it might be available somewhere else. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 00:22:39 EST From: XGaryx <XGaryx@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crock-pot yogurt Message-ID: <895297bd.34a1eda1@aol.com> Val, Here are some yogurt makers if you or any one else are interested in them. <A HREF="http://www.reach4life.com/yogurtmaker.html">Reach4Life: Yogurt Makers</A> ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #141 *********************** SCD-list Fri, 26 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 142 In this issue: from Elaine Cookies Re: from Elaine Re: Personal Diet Questions Re: questions about your success !! Re: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Elaine -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:42:11 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: from Elaine Message-ID: <l03010d02b0c8ba33ad6c@[206.112.45.12]> Elaine asked me to pass this on: Merry Christmas everyone. Thank you Jim for sending Benito's message to Herb & me. It was so good of you to post your "one year story". You all have no idea how heartwarming and rewarding it is to us, when you share your success stories with us. Happy New Year to all. With love, Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 19:51:25 +0100 From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Cookies Message-ID: <19971225.195125.3454.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com> Simone mentioned that she made some cookies that tasted like oatmeal cookies. Please post the receipe or email it to me. Thank-you. I consider this list my support group. Merry Christmas to all. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:38:28 -0500 From: Benito Rey <brey@interlog.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: from Elaine Message-ID: <34A334C4.54D9@interlog.com> Rachel Turet wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Elaine asked me to pass this on: > > Merry Christmas everyone. Thank you Jim for sending Benito's message to > Herb & me. It was so good of you to post your "one year story". You all > have no idea how heartwarming and rewarding it is to us, when you share > your success stories with us. Happy New Year to all. > With love, Elaine Hi Rachel, Just a small correction please: It should be: " Thanks Benito for sending Jim's message to Herb and me " Jim, I sent your message to Elaine, they were so happy to hear that from you. Thanks to both Rachel and Jim for their messages. I can not wish Merry Christmas because I am not a believer. But I always wish the best to all of you. Benito -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:04:35 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Personal Diet Questions Message-ID: <199712261603.LAA18840@camel8.mindspring.com> This is regarding Partridge's question on where my Crohn's is (was) in relation to my intestines. It is (was) in my iliem. Maybe you should try to take away the cheese for a week or so. If that doesn't help then bring back the cheese for a week or so and see if there is any difference. If that doesn't help then try the yogurt in the same manner. Quick question, are you taking any fish oil or eating nuts? Good Luck! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:18:53 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: questions about your success !! Message-ID: <199712261617.LAA00579@camel8.mindspring.com> This is in response to PI5DA. I was in really bad shape pre SCD. I think that I was in such bad shape at the time that if I didn't take the medications at that time I don't think I would have felt as good as quick as I did. I am not saying the diet didn't help, but everything I did at the time helped. I did not want to go on 6MP either. My GI doctor wanted me to go on the 6MP once I started feeling better. I did nothing of the sort instead I was taking away each medication slowly. I am not telling anyone to do the same. I am the type of person who doesn't even like taking aspirin. I believe that you are what you eat. Before I had all my problems with Crohn's 7 1/2 years ago I was eating poorly "Fast Food Junky". I now think that it contributed to bringing out my Crohn's. Maybe I am wrong for thinking that, but that is never the less the way I feel. So, what I am saying take it one day at a time. At this time your arthritis is not as bad and you do feel better. Not everyone is the same, and it just may take a little help from the Pharmacist. Good Luck! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:32:24 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Message-ID: <34A43078.79D@pacbell.net> Dear Becky, In time, the diet will help you re-balance the flora of your intestine. Often, when there is a bacterial imbalance (or paracites) it will be tough to build of your lactobaccilus count. I know, I have been there too. Hang in there though. By the way, my impression is that it is hardly worth a migraine to get the lactobaccilus of yogurt if you do not tolerate it. In my opinion, you may as well continue with your supplements. There really is no big difference between the lactobaccilus you get in good quality supplements or from fresh yogurt. In time, you will probably better tolerate the yogurt, that's my guess. Denise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:45:18 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Elaine Message-ID: <l03010d00b0c9e22859aa@[206.112.45.12]> Dear All, This is just a thought for a holiday gift idea for someone who has devoted her life to passing along a diet that has helped so very many of us over the years. In speaking to Elaine yesterday, I came to realize how important the feedback that trickles back to her about how those of us on the diet are managing, is to her. I purpose that we all take a minute to write a few words to Elaine about how the diet has impacted our lives. If you don't have it her fax # it is (905) 349-3420. If you don't have access to a fax and think that this is a good idea, send it to me & I'll be happy to fax it to her myself. Just a thought. Hope your holidays were all that you hoped for. Love, Rachel ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #142 *********************** SCD-list Sat, 27 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 143 In this issue: Re: Cookies Re: Personal Diet Questions Re: Elaine Re: Elaine Re: Elaine fax -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:03:32 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Cookies Message-ID: <be58fe37.34a453e6@aol.com> Karen, The cookies that I said tasted to me like oatmeal cookies were the basic cookie recipe in Elaine's book. I just added more raisins (presoaked) and used lots of toasted walnuts instead of pecans. I could be wrong, but they tasted a lot like oatmeal cookies. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:04:28 -0700 From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Personal Diet Questions Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971227010428.0066e39c@mail.planet.eon.net> Jim, Thank you for the information about CD location. We have presently stopped the cheese and yougurt to see if this will help - we will follow through on the other suggestions. Martine was on 1000mg twice daily of fish oil. (Norwegian Pure Salmon Oil) it did not seem to overly help but she stopped it as she felt it wasa contributing to the looseness. She is also taking the nut flour in the bread, muffins and othere dishes. Thanks for your response, any other suggestions would be helpful Thanks Partridges ALLAN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:15:25 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine Message-ID: <6a22ee8d.34a456af@aol.com> if you have windows 95 and a modem you can fax from a pc. i be sure to do so! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:08:01 EST From: XGaryx <XGaryx@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine Message-ID: <26e97c03.34a47115@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-26 20:16:02 EST, you write: if you have windows 95 and a modem you can fax from a pc. i be sure to do so! >> Jvert63 can you explain?... Please...thank you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:29:24 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine fax Message-ID: <b26ffd4a.34a57336@aol.com> gary you can fax using win95 by clicking on the in box which brings up microsoft exchange. then click on compose then on new fax.inthe next window you have to set up the dialing properties if you never did before. after that is done click next, in this window fill out who its to then their fax #, the rec list is for other people who should rec it at the same # so leave that blank for one person click next . in this window you can experiment later but for a simple fax click generic and yes then click next. fill in the subject and in the note field you can fill out a decent size message. this is a simple form of fax. click next in this next window you can attatch a file such as a word perfect document but you'll have to set other properties up and its to long to explain. click finish and your modem will dial the fax # and the receiving fax will recognize it as a fax. good luck hope i didnt miss anything important. jvert ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #143 *********************** SCD-list Sun, 28 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 144 In this issue: Re: Personal Diet Questions 21 month report Re: 21 month report Aloe juice Re: Elaine % Rachel Re: Elaine % Rachel Re: Elaine % Rachel -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 20:51:08 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Personal Diet Questions Message-ID: <199712280149.UAA04304@camel8.mindspring.com> Partridge I have another question, are you drinking Apple Cider. For some reason I noticed that this helps whith forming stool, at least with me it does. Grape juice doesn't do to much justice for me, but I still drink it. I just have a real taste for something sweet to drink. Thought I would pass the Apple Cider. Good Luck! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew P Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: 21 month report Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971227215510.3181B-100000@curly.cc.emory.edu> After reading all the encouraging holiday messages, I couldn't resist...I've been on the diet strictly since March of 1996. On and off, I've had mild relapses. The most troublesome aspects, profuse bleeding and incredible urgency all day subsided quickly, and never returned. I just returned from Jamaica where I was working (bummer, yes, I know) long hours, stuck in a (nice) hotel in Kingston for 11 days. We were "fed" as there were briefings all day which were catered. I decided that this would be my opportunity to tread lightly by reintroducing foods. I started out very SCD, fruits, veggies, meat, etc.. I broke down and had a pasta salad. I actually felf better the next day, which I attribute to the energy from the carbohydrates. The following day, I was a bit bolder, and ate half a piece of cheesecake. Still the same result. I was feeling elated, perhaps I was completely cured! Even my "movements" were more like I remembered them prior to the onset of my colitis (On the diet, they aren't as "bulky" which I attribute to the fact that there's less waste in my waist -ha ha- since most of my diet is easily absorbed). Well, I went full tilt on one meal - ate the bread, the rice, and - yes - the whole pice of cheesecake! Boy was that a treat! Needless to say, the following morning I experienced some cramps and a spot of blood. I stuck to the diet and recovered instantaneously. The moral of this story (for me, since everyone reacts uniquely) is that I believe I'm as cured as I'll ever be. I can indulge occasionally in moderation, but I'll be eating primarily SCD. I ate some potato chips last night, and suffered no consequences, today was strictly SCD. I love the SCD, I'm much healthier in that it prohibits fast food and junk food, and instills some discipline in my life which carries over to other areas. My kids even are eating healthier than if I had never fallen ill! I suppose there's goodness in just about anything if you look for it. I no longer feel a need to be on this list, but there are so many heartwarming stories and opportunities to help others that I just can't quit! Peace, heath and happiness to all and a happy new year! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 22:58:09 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: 21 month report Message-ID: <01bd135d$f4fdc540$4a3715d1@akpinar> The good news on the 21 month report by Matthew Cirillo is just what I needed. I just wonder if he has been taking taking any medication while on the diet for 21 months ? alpaslan -----Original Message----- From: Matthew P Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Saturday, December 27, 1997 7:35 PM Subject: 21 month report >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >After reading all the encouraging holiday messages, I couldn't >resist...I've been on the diet strictly since March of 1996. On and off, >I've had mild relapses. The most troublesome aspects, profuse bleeding and >incredible urgency all day subsided quickly, and never returned. I just >returned from Jamaica where I was working (bummer, yes, I know) long >hours, stuck in a (nice) hotel in Kingston for 11 days. We were "fed" as >there were briefings all day which were catered. I decided that this >would be my opportunity to tread lightly by reintroducing foods. I >started out very SCD, fruits, veggies, meat, etc.. I broke down and had a >pasta salad. I actually felf better the next day, which I attribute to >the energy from the carbohydrates. The following day, I was a bit bolder, >and ate half a piece of cheesecake. Still the same result. I was feeling >elated, perhaps I was completely cured! Even my "movements" were more >like I remembered them prior to the onset of my colitis (On the diet, they >aren't as "bulky" which I attribute to the fact that there's less waste in >my waist -ha ha- since most of my diet is easily absorbed). > >Well, I went full tilt on one meal - ate the bread, the rice, and - yes - >the whole pice of cheesecake! Boy was that a treat! Needless to say, the >following morning I experienced some cramps and a spot of blood. I stuck >to the diet and recovered instantaneously. > >The moral of this story (for me, since everyone reacts uniquely) is that I >believe I'm as cured as I'll ever be. I can indulge occasionally in >moderation, but I'll be eating primarily SCD. I ate some potato chips last >night, and suffered no consequences, today was strictly SCD. I love the >SCD, I'm much healthier in that it prohibits fast food and junk food, and >instills some discipline in my life which carries over to other areas. My >kids even are eating healthier than if I had never fallen ill! I suppose >there's goodness in just about anything if you look for it. > >I no longer feel a need to be on this list, but there are so many >heartwarming stories and opportunities to help others that I just can't >quit! > >Peace, heath and happiness to all and a happy new year! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 12:06:53 +0000 From: "Richard M. Troiani" <drexel1@erols.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Aloe juice Message-ID: <34A640DC.FB9@erols.com> Hi everyone and happy new year! Does anyone know if Georges Aloe Vera Juice is okay on the Diet. It seems to help me and I would like to keep drinking it. Thanks, Rich Troiani ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:57:35 EST From: XGaryx <XGaryx@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine % Rachel Message-ID: <47180d13.34a6a121@aol.com> Rachel. In a message dated 97-12-26 17:42:08 EST, you write: << I purpose that we all take a minute to write a few words to Elaine about how the diet has impacted our lives. >> Rachel, What a nice idea. My wife has been on the diet for seven months. She just mailed a letter to Elaine thanking her. This is a perspective from someone who lives with a person who is so unfortunate to contact IBD. My wife finally found out what she had after a long bout with IBD, and finally making that first trip to the doctor. Hearing those terrifying words "NO CURE!"..........what a sinking feeling that had to be for her. It was for me and I wasn't the one hearing those words. She has been through the whole gambit, the accidents...the cramps...the bleeding....the weight loss.....the drugs...and more and more drugs....then the doctors next great words " We might need to start thing about surgery!" Then while surfing the net I came upon the SCD home page. What a great surfing trip that turned out to be. My wife bought Elaine's book. We printed and read everything on that page and continue to do so. That was seven months ago. It has taken most of that seven months, but the improvements are starting to show now! She has finally been able to leave the house without worrying about an accident. What a great feeling that is for her, as well as myself. For all of those who live with the IBD but don't have it, we can only imagine what it must be like for those of you that do. I have a really good idea of how thankful those who used Elaine's methods, if for no other reason than that glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. That little something to hang on to, in time of need. So for all of you out there, remember there is always hope. If we lose hope we lose everything. ~~~~To Elaine....from the love ones of IBD sufferers, especially this one.... many many thanks to you and all your efforts to help those who are in dire need ......A BIG HUG!!!!!!...........P.S. We all have a tendency to overlook, telling those who we appreciate that we do... so here are two of us telling you "ELAINE, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!" Gary & Sandy Rachel, If you can Fax this along to Elaine we would appreciate that also. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:37:39 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine % Rachel Message-ID: <l03010d02b0cc68de2e63@[206.112.45.13]> >Rachel, If you can Fax this along to Elaine we would appreciate that also. >Thank you. Done! I'm sure she'll love hearing from you. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 16:15:25 EST From: XGaryx <XGaryx@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine % Rachel Message-ID: <8d57f2c0.34a6c170@aol.com> Thanks again Rachel.....and the Best Of Luck To you ! ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #144 *********************** SCD-list Mon, 29 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 145 In this issue: Alpaslan? Meds? Re: Personal Diet Questions (FISH OIL STUFF) Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Re: Aloe juice -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew P Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Alpaslan? Meds? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971228194139.13293B-100000@larry.cc.emory.edu> Hello again. Alpaslan Akpinar asked in response to my "21 month report" wether or not I was taking any medications (or had been, I'm not sure, I deleted that message already). I am posting to the group figuring this was a general interest type thing. Right now, I am taking no medications. However, I smoke a half a pack of cigarettes a day, which might have some effect. JAMA articles have concluded that a much higher amount of nicotine is required to have some effect. (For those of you who are unaware, there are people wearing patches and others smoking like chimneys to alleviate their colitic symptoms - some research has indicated a correlation, particularly involving individuals who smoked and then quit. I smoke primarily for pleasure, and justify it with this medical evidence "hey, its GOOD for me!) PS I don't really believe that substituting lung cancer for colon cancer is such a great idea. In the past (pre-diet) I had taken enormous amounts of prednisone, which I believe saved me from surgery on one hand but screwed up my metabolism either by nature of the beast or poor advice from my GI, who had me stop taking it cold at a level of 50mg.day, which left me reeling and listless for a long time. I have also take rowasa suppositories, and asulphazaline and asacol. All of these were pretty much worthless to me. The prednisone was the only thing that reversed the profuse bleeding and cramps and constant urgency. I draw the analogy of a balloon with a little hole in it. The hole is the disease, the balloon is you, bouyant, happy, bouncing along. Suddenly a hole! The prednisone is like forcing air into the balloon. It keeps you bouyant, bounccing along, perhaps even moreso than before. But the "pressure" makes the hole bigger, so when you stop taking it, you're worse off than before, saggy and drawn out. But for me it was a necessay evil. Upon discovering the diet, I was still under the control of my GI, who still goes poker faced whenever I bring up the diet. I haven't seen him but once since being on the diet (poor chap, I hope he can still afford his club dues), due to a relapse. I took prednisone and asacol again, the prednisone brought the bleeding under control, and I came into remission much quicker than ever before, which I attribute to my time on the diet, and my being on the diet.Since then I've had occasional streaks of blood in my stool which only recently went away completely. They didn't worry me too much, as it had been much worse before, and I no longer had any accompanying mucus or the dreaded urgency. I expect to go the the GI once a year just to be scoped to verify that no cancer cells are growing. But I believe that the scope is very damaging to the lining of my colon, and well, talk about vicious cycles! Shove a stick up your poop-shoot, and I bet anyone will have some problems, especially when they try to get around the bend of the transverse colon! I also think that those magnesium or whatever they use in-them enemas are also damaging to my colon. So, I avoid my GI like the plague, unless I'm in a severe relapse. I believe that the diet works, takes time, but that if your case is severe, it makes sense to speed up the process with whatever works for you (for me it was the prednisone) until you reach a level of remission that you can sustain with the diet. My initial perception of the diet was that it was a way to alleviate my bothersome symptoms, since whenever I inadvertently cheated, I had problems within 24 hours (even a cup of mild coffee or roasted store-bought nuts would set me off). Months (and months) later, I started to realise that I was getting better, even with a mild setback shy of a relapse, I could see measurable progress, in my energy level, my state of mind, I was (and am) doing alot more, all my fears of being in the wrong place at the wrong time faded (ask me sometime about being in the middle of the Brooklyn bridge with about 100,000 othe people during the bridge's bi-centenial and having a strong urge to go..). Now, I can "cheat," but it isn't cheating, it's just reintroducing foods! But I'm not getting smug about it, in fact, I'm just experimenting litle by little. I still think it's a bit premature. I expect to start really experimenting (like trying some ice cream or pizza) after March, which will be two years. Bottom line - don't even bother "testing the waters" before a year and a half if you had severe colitis at any point. Enough rambling...Please forgive the "stream of consciousness" quality to this posting. May all your yogurts be flavored.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 10:50:51 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Personal Diet Questions (FISH OIL STUFF) Message-ID: <9712291650.AA06533@swansong.amd.com> hi the fish oil studies (the randomized, double blind, placebo controlled, crossover) that have i read have reported D in about 10% of patients, but the effective dose is much much higher than the twice daily discusssed below. the range i have seen reported as theraputic is about 4.5 grams of EPA (12-18 capsules daily) the brand most used in studies has been either MAX-EPA or an enterically coated capsule (not avaiable yet). i have also read where a woman having negative reaction to predisone was given i.v. EPA and it allowed her to rapidly wean herself from the steriod, and in her case the oral EPA did not work, so the stuff does not work in all cases, and some people have D, but some do get relief. so if you are looking for a benefit in fish oil 1000mg twice daily seems too little to have any positive effect. i myself have used EPA to combat severe consitpation, which is my particular IBD problem, i know i have taken enough when the stool floats, which for me is about 10 1000mg capsules a day. after i lost my excess weight (low carb diet) i no longer need the fish oil on a daily basis, but i still use it occasionally. ted ----- Begin Included Message ----- Martine was on 1000mg twice daily of fish oil. (Norwegian Pure Salmon Oil) it did not seem to overly help but she stopped it as she felt it wasa contributing to the looseness. She is also taking the nut flour in the bread, muffins and othere dishes. ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:31:38 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <34A808AA.C7887728@snet.net> Richard, Read your SCD letter today. Can you share this important info with me please. thanks for your anticipated cooperation. Jeff Goldschlager email address: jlager@snet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:14:02 -0500 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Aloe juice Message-ID: <34A7E86A.122E@mail.fwi.com> Aloe Vera juice is not ok on the diet. John Richard M. Troiani wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi everyone and happy new year! > > Does anyone know if Georges Aloe Vera Juice is okay on the Diet. It > seems to help me and I would like to keep drinking it. > Thanks, Rich Troiani ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #145 *********************** SCD-list Tue, 30 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 146 In this issue: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Re: Elaine % Rachel The balloon analogy Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? EXPERIENCES FROM ONE YEAR ON THE SCD DIET. Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:01:58 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Message-ID: <4d19b6fe.34a84808@aol.com> Hi, Has anyone heard back from Colleen regarding the "cure" she was talking about in her letter on the list? I have e-mailed her over a week ago about it but received no response. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Robinson <tomr@vader.inow.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Message-ID: <199712300124.RAA28837@vader.inow.com> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > > Has anyone heard back from Colleen regarding the "cure" she was talking about > in her letter on the list? I have e-mailed her over a week ago about it but > received no response. > > Simone > Same here. Tom -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Robinson <tomr@inow.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 01:11:06 EST From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Elaine % Rachel Message-ID: <c651d6d9.34a8907c@aol.com> Gary, A BIG Amen to what you said to Elaine. I am the wife of someone who has UC, and can totally relate to how you feel. My husband has only been on the diet for a couple of weeks, but we are also seeing results. And he even cheats! (Not much, though). I am excited to think that there is a possibility that a person can be cured of this dreadful disease. We are praying for the best. I am very encouraged by the letters that we are receiving. I didn't realize how many people do suffer from digestive disorders. It's encouraging to know that we are not an island, that there is support out there! This has helped my husband to hang in there with the diet, knowing that it is helping so many people. Val ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 01:19:01 EST From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: The balloon analogy Message-ID: <3016ec5c.34a89257@aol.com> I enjoyed Matthews recent posting. Great analogy about the balloon! Also, what a sense of humor! I am printing this out for my husband to read. He can totally relate to the Brooklyn Bridge episode. What a terrible feeling that must be! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 01:26:20 EST From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Message-ID: <cc5063dc.34a89412@aol.com> I have not received a response from Colleen either. Maybe she took a little vacation. I have recently heard about an oil that comes from emus that has been very effective in combatting Colitis. I haven't checked it out yet, but plan to. Has anyone else heard of this? Val ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:47:59 +0100 From: "ksjoevol" <ksjoevol@telepost.no> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: EXPERIENCES FROM ONE YEAR ON THE SCD DIET. Message-ID: <199712300947.KAA02167@online.no> This is my story of 15 years with UC and with a particular focus on the last 12 months on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. DIAGNOSE UC I ( 33 years, male) was diagnosed with UC when I was 18 years old. At that time I was a high school student and the first sign of the disease was more frequent bowel movements. The next sign was passage of stool mixed with blood. My doctor made some examinations and test and then gave me the diagnose UC. MEDICATION I was then put on 4x500 mg Salazopyrin per day. In periods in remission I have been down on 2 x 500 mg. For app. the last 5 years I have been on Pentasa 2-3 x 50 mg a day. During flare-ups I have been medicated with preds. SYMPTOMS Compared to many other who suffers from IBD I guess I am a lucky person. My UC (proctitis) is located to the rectum. I used to have regularly flare-ups twice a year. During flare-ups I had 1-3 more bowel movements per day, never diarrhea. Flare-ups starts with a period with gas, then passage of stools mixed with mucus and finally passage of stools mixed with blood and mucus. I have had some minor joint pains. All in all I have been able to live a normal life. I have never been away from work because of my UC. Still, the thought of having to eat medicine for 50 years did not attract me to much. PREDS My flare-ups have been harder to control for each year. The first years the disease went in remission by itself. For the last years my doctor has prescribed 15 - 30 mg prednisolon a day for periods of two weeks. My last flare-up started in October 96 and ended in December. After two weeks on the preds, my nose started bleeding. I guess for me the preds is the worst aspect with the disease. During the last flare-up I also had some very irritating itching which I never had before. BREAKING THE VICIOUS CYCLE In October / November 96 I was searching the internet for more info about UC and found a lot of interesting information. I also read about Elaine Gottschall's book "Breaking the vicious cycle" and the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. On a trip to the USA in December I found the book in a bookstore. I decided to try the diet. Since I have had regularly flare-ups 2 times a year I decided to follow the diet for at least one year to see if the diet had an effect and to be able to make a conclusion. It couldn't hurt, the diet seemed nutritious. I started the diet in January 97 and have followed it for 12 months. I have not had any flare-ups since I started the diet. When I started the diet I also decided to follow my medication (Pentasa) as normal. For some reason I stopped eating drugs in April 97, so the last 9 months I have been without drugs. (I do not recommend others to this without consulting a doctor) SIGNS OF UC As I said, no flare-ups the last year but 3 -4 times I have felt this itching but not as irritating as during the last flare-up. If this is connected to my UC I don't know. Three times I have noticed very small amounts of blood in my stools. The next days there have been no visual signs. No mucus and gas when during a "normal" flare-up. LIVING ON A DIET I am very fond of food. Before starting the diet I ate almost all kinds of food, and I could hardly imagine my self on a strict diet. My motivation was high and I have been able to follow the diet without cheating to much. Even the diet is hard to follow it was easier than I thought. CHEATING I have not been on this diet without cheating. For those of you who know the diet: - I have been drinking beer occasionally. - 1-2 times a month I have been eating small amounts of potatoes or rice. (On restaurants) - ..... SEEING MY DOCTOR Last time I had an appointment with my doctor was in September 96, two weeks before my last flare-up. My next appointment was in September 97. I did not look forward to telling him about the diet and particularly not to tell him I had stopped taking my drugs. (He always tells me how important it is to take them.) Totally unexpected he reacted positively to the diet. I lend him my copy of the book and a printout of Wolfgang Lutz's book (found on Mik's Web page). After a couple of weeks he send me a letter where he agreed with many of the conclusions and that refined sugar is a greater danger to peoples health than fat. CONCLUSIONS I have now been on the diet for 12 months. 9 months without drugs. No flare-ups. Since all my previous flare-ups has been pretty regular ( twice a year) I think there are reasons to believe that this diet has an effect on my disease. Even though the diet is hard to follow I will continue the diet. If I can manage to stay off drugs on this diet there is no doubt what I want to do. WHAT NEXT My next milestone will now be my next appointment with my doctor in April, and I am looking forward to see him. Finally I wish you all a healthy and a happy new year. regards Knut. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:33:39 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Message-ID: <f4fe2be5.34a95aa6@aol.com> i ve e-mailed her twice and no response ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #146 *********************** SCD-list Wed, 31 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 147 In this issue: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Consitpation Re: Becky/ Consitpation Re: Glenn/ Emu Oil What is an infectious agent? Re: Glenn/ Emu Oil Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Re: Becky/ Consitpation -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:03:28 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Message-ID: <001801bd1598$ac00fc80$393b36ce@default1> VAL, I've heard the same thing. I checked out a couple of sites on the Internet, but the repronses I got from those sites said that the emu oil that they produced was not food grade oil. Further, they told me that they along with other emu farm operators are trying to get FDA approval to sell emu oil in the United States. The food grade emu oil is cost prohibitive for me (about $125 a quart was the cheapest I could find). The non food grade emu oil works great for assorted skin problems, burns, cuts, arthritis pains, joint pains, etc... If the FDA approves a food grade emu oil I would imagine the price of the oil will come down in time. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I have not received a response from Colleen either. Maybe she took a little >vacation. > >I have recently heard about an oil that comes from emus that has been very >effective in combatting Colitis. I haven't checked it out yet, but plan to. >Has anyone else heard of this? > >Val > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: rpavley@earthlink.net (R Pavley) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Consitpation Message-ID: <v01530501b0cf34b6940d@[153.35.234.174]> Hi! I've been seeing a few messages where people mention that a symptom for them is constipation, not D. I have mostly constipation also. I am interested to know how common this is. And why this is different than the classic bloody D.? I was recently diagnosed with IBD, UC. But reading up it really seems that it is Chron's. The affted areas are the rectum and the large intestine at the far end where it meets the small intestinge. I have constipation, occassional bouts of D., occassional bouts of sever pain, (sometimes with D and sometime without) and in the last two years have also had rectal bleeding with the constipation and sometimes with just gas in the morning (no BM till after the blood). Recently, just after diagnosis in late September I started on Rowasa suppositories and Dipentum. I have stopped bleeding on the drugs, but still have constipation and occassional fairly sever pain. Will be starting the diet soon to see if that helps. The doctor who diagnosed me is so far away, and with other factors, I wanted to change doctors. My new doctor wants to do yet another colonoscopy because he doesn't believe I have IBD at all. Why? No bloody D., "the" symptom of IBD. He thinks it would be an infectious agent. I think I need some more information before I can sort all this out. Anybody? Thanks, Becky in Concord, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:54:04 EST From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Becky/ Consitpation Message-ID: <f0fc63e4.34aa406e@aol.com> Becky...Forgive me if I sound like I'm repeating myself, but I can't help but mention again...check out the book "YOUR BODY'S MANY CRIES FOR WATER". If you can't afford it, have your library order it for you. And please check out the other site I mentioned...even it's it's just to educate yourself. I believe the address to subscribe is: list@rawtimes.com or owner-list@rawtimes.com. It's a great source of real good information on health issues. The Dr. specifically talks about constipation and colitis. For now, Start adding 2 glasses of water a day to your diet until you're drinking at least 8, 8 oz glasses "at a minimum" a day. This would be distilled water only by the way..and not in milky colored soft plastic bottles either, because of the formaldhyde (spelling?)that leaks into the water from the plastic. Does a number on our hormones and other systems. You can probably find distilled water in your area to be delivered to your home in hard plastic 5 gallon jugs that are blue in color. You cannot substitute juices or other liquids for your pure water intake. If you're still constipated add two more glasses a day. But, get the book so you'll understand the importance of water intake. The dr. says chronic dehydration is the cause of constipation and colitis and many other diseases. Your dehyrdration is not going to turn around suddenly by now drowning yourself in water. It will take a few months to turn it around. You must walk everyday as well if you don't now. At least 30-60 minutes a day. Best wishes! colleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:21:06 EST From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Glenn/ Emu Oil Message-ID: <1dbce650.34aa46c4@aol.com> Glenn, where can one purchase this oil? Food grade or not? I've heard emu oil is a great carrier oil of other ingredients because it get absorbed into the skin so well. Why were you checking into it? Colleen In a message dated 12/31/97 3:10:19 AM, you wrote: <<-------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- VAL, I've heard the same thing. I checked out a couple of sites on the Internet, but the repronses I got from those sites said that the emu oil that they produced was not food grade oil. Further, they told me that they along with other emu farm operators are trying to get FDA approval to sell emu oil in the United States. The food grade emu oil is cost prohibitive for me (about $125 a quart was the cheapest I could find). The non food grade emu oil works great for assorted skin problems, burns, cuts, arthritis pains, joint pains, etc... If the FDA approves a food grade emu oil I would imagine the price of the oil will come down in time. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I have not received a response from Colleen either. Maybe she took a little >vacation. > >I have recently heard about an oil that comes from emus that has been very >effective in combatting Colitis. I haven't checked it out yet, but plan to. >Has anyone else heard of this? > >Val > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <SCD-request@longisland.com> Received: from relay32.mail.aol.com (relay32.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.32]) by air06.mail.aol.com (v37.8) with SMTP; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:10:19 -0500 Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) by relay32.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA00117; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cylynk.cyberlynk.com ([206.54.59.2]) by mail.longisland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA132 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:07:20 -0500 Received: from default1 (ppp57mer.cyberlynk.com [206.54.59.57]) by cylynk.cyberlynk.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12991 for <SCD- list@longisland.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <001801bd1598$ac00fc80$393b36ce@default1> From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:03:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:10:22 -0500 From: hullc@mindspring.com (C. S. Hull) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: hullc@mindspring.com Subject: What is an infectious agent? Message-ID: <v01510102b0d01cbdc0a1@[207.69.249.119]> You wrote: My new doctor wants to do yet another colonoscopy because he doesn't believe I have IBD at all. Why? No bloody D., "the" symptom of IBD. He thinks it would be an infectious agent. Dear Becky, Please let me know what you discover on this question. My GI said that I fell into his category patients with symptoms of unknown causes, of which, he said, is 75% of his practice! I have D (among other symptoms which have been alleviated by the SCD), but no blood. The SCD has helped me immensely. I hope you find some relief from your symptoms, and help, too. To your good health. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:10:49 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Glenn/ Emu Oil Message-ID: <000401bd1617$6da17a80$303b36ce@default1> Coleen, I was checking into it at the recommendation of someone that I know. I was looking for the food grade emu oil. Without FDA approval, there are no sources that I know of in this country that I can get the oil from. However, the cheapest source that I could find for the non food grade emu oil was in Canada. I don't have the web site, but I found the site thru the Alta Vista Search Engine. The owner was willing to sell a quart of the non food grade emu oil for between $70-$90 depending on the type of oil I was looking for. As I recall he was offering a massage oil, another oil that had a mentholated quality for penetration (apparently a lot of professional athletes use this type for their sports injuries), and another type for applying to cuts, fever blisters, sun burns, and other skin ailments. I have a small quantity that I use when I accidently cut myself. I found that the oil adds a lot of moisture to the skin and promotes faster healing. If you get some of the oil, you must keep it refridgerated or it looses its healing qualities over time. I also found that the emu farmers that I communicated with via email were more than willing to answer various questions. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Glenn/ Emu Oil >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Glenn, where can one purchase this oil? Food grade or not? I've heard emu >oil is a great carrier oil of other ingredients because it get absorbed into >the skin so well. Why were you checking into it? > >Colleen > >In a message dated 12/31/97 3:10:19 AM, you wrote: > ><<-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >VAL, > > > >I've heard the same thing. I checked out a couple of sites on the Internet, > >but the repronses I got from those sites said that the emu oil that they > >produced was not food grade oil. Further, they told me that they along with > >other emu farm operators are trying to get FDA approval to sell emu oil in > >the United States. The food grade emu oil is cost prohibitive for me (about > >$125 a quart was the cheapest I could find). The non food grade emu oil > >works great for assorted skin problems, burns, cuts, arthritis pains, joint > >pains, etc... If the FDA approves a food grade emu oil I would imagine the > >price of the oil will come down in time. > > > >Glenn > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ValtheV <ValtheV@aol.com> > >To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> > >Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 10:32 PM > >Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? > > > > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>SCD MAILING LIST > >>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>I have not received a response from Colleen either. Maybe she took a > >little > >>vacation. > >> > >>I have recently heard about an oil that comes from emus that has been very > >>effective in combatting Colitis. I haven't checked it out yet, but plan > >to. > >>Has anyone else heard of this? > >> > >>Val > >> > > > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: <SCD-request@longisland.com> >Received: from relay32.mail.aol.com (relay32.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.32]) by >air06.mail.aol.com (v37.8) with SMTP; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:10:19 -0500 >Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) > by relay32.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id WAA00117; > Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:05:08 -0500 (EST) >Received: from cylynk.cyberlynk.com ([206.54.59.2]) by mail.longisland.com > (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) > with ESMTP id AAA132 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; > Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:07:20 -0500 >Received: from default1 (ppp57mer.cyberlynk.com [206.54.59.57]) by >cylynk.cyberlynk.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12991 for <SCD- >list@longisland.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:10:40 -0800 >Message-ID: <001801bd1598$ac00fc80$393b36ce@default1> >From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> >To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> >Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:03:28 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > >>> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:21:59 EST From: HEBERT 2 <HEBERT2@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Colleen? Message-ID: <6fe63fca.34aa8d49@aol.com> Simone, I have e-mailed her also and have heard nothing. Maybe out of town for the holidays??? I'm going to try again next week. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:23:56 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Becky/ Consitpation Message-ID: <000d01bd1619$422d4b20$303b36ce@default1> Colleen, I haven't read any of the books you mentioned, but the general theme that I seem to pick-up on is that we must consume items that are untouched, or rather uncontaminated, by the variety of chemicals that are used to grow food or that contaminate the drinking water supply. If this is correct, I suppose IBD problems in many people are caused by allergenic reactions to the chemicals that are byproducts of man's wonderful technological innovations? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Becky/ Consitpation >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Becky...Forgive me if I sound like I'm repeating myself, but I can't help but >mention again...check out the book "YOUR BODY'S MANY CRIES FOR WATER". If you >can't afford it, have your library order it for you. And please check out the >other site I mentioned...even it's it's just to educate yourself. I believe >the address to subscribe is: list@rawtimes.com or owner-list@rawtimes.com. >It's a great source of real good information on health issues. > >The Dr. specifically talks about constipation and colitis. For now, Start >adding 2 glasses of water a day to your diet until you're drinking at least 8, >8 oz glasses "at a minimum" a day. This would be distilled water only by the >way..and not in milky colored soft plastic bottles either, because of the >formaldhyde (spelling?)that leaks into the water from the plastic. Does a >number on our hormones and other systems. You can probably find distilled >water in your area to be delivered to your home in hard plastic 5 gallon jugs >that are blue in color. > >You cannot substitute juices or other liquids for your pure water intake. If >you're still constipated add two more glasses a day. But, get the book so >you'll understand the importance of water intake. > >The dr. says chronic dehydration is the cause of constipation and colitis and >many other diseases. Your dehyrdration is not going to turn around suddenly >by now drowning yourself in water. It will take a few months to turn it >around. You must walk everyday as well if you don't now. At least 30-60 >minutes a day. > >Best wishes! colleen > ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #147 *********************** SCD-list Thu, 1 Jan 1998 Volume 1 : Number 148 In this issue: Re: SCD-list V1 #147 -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:54:13 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #147 Message-ID: <511eb50e.34aaf747@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-31 19:06:23 EST, you write: Becky, << My new doctor wants to do yet another colonoscopy because he doesn't believe I have IBD at all. Why? No bloody D., "the" symptom of IBD. He thinks it would be an infectious agent. I think I need some more information before I can sort all this out. >> Can I tell you that aside from chronic "D" and bloating/gas I didn't have ANY Crohn's symptoms (except for some surgeries that failed to heal completely -which got my doctor suspicious) ?! I had a colonoscopy 3 months ago that showed 7 ulcerations in the large colon. A definite Chron's. But I never had so far any bleeding or fever or weight loss (classic symptoms). I lost weight on the SCD diet, but that's different. I now experience abdominal pains due to muscle spasms, and the chronic D is still there. Still no bleeding. So just because I didn't have the classic by the book symptoms, it didn't mean that I didn't have CD. So, if you ever have another colonoscopy, bring a video tape with you like I did. They can tape the procedure. I have the whole lovely experience documented. No one can argue with the visuals. Take care, and I wish you well. Simone ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #148 *********************** SCD-list Fri, 2 Jan 1998 Volume 1 : Number 149 In this issue: Re: Consitpation -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:16:32 -0700 From: tarisawa@wic.net (Arisawa, Toru) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Consitpation Message-ID: <34AC31E0.5F15@wic.net> Hi Becky In response to your E-mail ... I too have problems with constipation, flatulence (in particular the last few days of my cycle), allergies/food intolerances which cause bloating, and I have a colapsed rectum. I never have D - to me having D sounds like heaven! I have not been diagnosed as having IBD or UC but went on the diet about 2-3 months ago in the hope that it would clear up my allergies/food intolerances/hypoglycaemia to a long list of foods ... corn, dairy products, yeast, potatoes. Other foods which used to cause me discomfort were nuts and dried fruit but I seem to be able to eat them now. I cannot eat the yoghurt or cheeses on the SCD list which makes it more difficult to find things to eat, also I am eating a lot more meat than I used to and I am not totally comfortable with the idea of eating more meat as I was 'semi-vegetarian'! In some ways I feel better, C is not such a problem though occasionally I have bleeding with a bowel movement (which happens more often than when I was not on the diet!) but it is early days on the diet and I am beginning to feel more comfortable with it and less inclined to risk breaking it. I am hoping to try the Pro-Symbioflor and Pro-Symbiolact that someone on SCT-list recommended ... if I can get hold of it ... I think I may have to get it mailed from the UK. Good luck - hope you are feeling better soon. ISABELLA. ---------- R Pavley wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi! > > I've been seeing a few messages where people mention that a symptom for > them is constipation, not D. I have mostly constipation also. I am > interested to know how common this is. And why this is different than the > classic bloody D.? > > I was recently diagnosed with IBD, UC. But reading up it really seems that > it is Chron's. The affted areas are the rectum and the large intestine at > the far end where it meets the small intestinge. > > I have constipation, occassional bouts of D., occassional bouts of sever > pain, (sometimes with D and sometime without) and in the last two years > have also had rectal bleeding with the constipation and sometimes with just > gas in the morning (no BM till after the blood). Recently, just after > diagnosis in late September I started on Rowasa suppositories and Dipentum. > I have stopped bleeding on the drugs, but still have constipation and > occassional fairly sever pain. Will be starting the diet soon to see if > that helps. > > The doctor who diagnosed me is so far away, and with other factors, I > wanted to change doctors. My new doctor wants to do yet another > colonoscopy because he doesn't believe I have IBD at all. Why? No bloody > D., "the" symptom of IBD. He thinks it would be an infectious agent. I > think I need some more information before I can sort all this out. > > Anybody? > > Thanks, > > Becky > in Concord, CA ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #149 ***********************
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