SCD-list December 1997 End of SCD-list V1 #121 *********************** SCD-list Sat, 6 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 122 In this issue: Re: Haas book on Management of Celiac Disease Re: Everything looks A-OK Lactose free dairy acknowledge Re: acknowledge acknowledge -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 21:19:26 -0600 From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Haas book on Management of Celiac Disease Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971206031926.00aef748@ntmail.normicro.com> Hello everyone, A while back somebody asked about the Haas book on Management of Celiac Disease. This is the book written by the doctors Elaine consulted to heal her daughter. I have the book out on inter-library loan for two more days and might be able to answer questions about it if anybody has any. Best wishes, Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:32:11 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Everything looks A-OK Message-ID: <l03110700b0ae85b79dec@[206.40.74.48]> Linda....thanks. Prateeksha >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Allright Listers.. > > Looks like everything is back to normal after the little problem >with the >subscription of the list. > > > Thank you for your patience and return to > sharing information as normal. > > > =) > > > -- Linda > > >*------------------------INVISION, LLC.---------------------------* >* Linda Kahrs * >* Windows NT Administrator * >* linda@invision.net * >* Phone: 516-543-1000 Fax: 516-864-8896 * >*-----------------------www.invision.net--------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:43:02 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Lactose free dairy Message-ID: <1b9e651a.34896478@aol.com> I was wondering if it's OK to use 100% Lactose Free Milk. I saw some in the dairy section and thought about asking the manager if they could bring in 100% Lactose Free yougurt as well. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:01:07 -0500 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: acknowledge Message-ID: <199712061302_MC2-2AFB-6820@compuserve.com> >>Good morning all, I've just spoken to Matt at the company that >>provides our listserver. He's not sure what the problem is and >>says that they have rebooted the server (whatever that means) >>in the hopes that it was just a flukey thing. All those >>receiving this message please acknowledge so we can know if the >>problem has been fixed. Thanks, Acknowledge. John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:43:47 -0500 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: acknowledge Message-ID: <19971206185219.AAA2742@a-zcusto> Message received Kay ---------- > From: Mazer, C. & Blank, J. <103120.612@compuserve.com> > To: INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: acknowledge > Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 1:01 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Good morning all, I've just spoken to Matt at the company that > >>provides our listserver. He's not sure what the problem is and > >>says that they have rebooted the server (whatever that means) > >>in the hopes that it was just a flukey thing. All those > >>receiving this message please acknowledge so we can know if the > >>problem has been fixed. Thanks, > > > > Acknowledge. > > John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:34:14 From: Elizabeth Witt <healthnut@mindspring.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971206153414.3e0f4cc8@pop.mindspring.com> received your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:07:22 +0100 From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett) To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: acknowledge Message-ID: <19971206.160722.23222.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com> Received the message ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #122 *********************** SCD-list Sun, 7 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 123 In this issue: Re: acknowledge RE: Acknowledge Acknowledged -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:29:02 EST From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: acknowledge Message-ID: <61c33097.3489fbe0@aol.com> got it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 20:01:23 -0600 From: Jan Ashby <ja60802@navix.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Acknowledge Message-ID: <348A0372.1193@navix.net> Message received loud and clear, John. Hurray! Jan A. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 08:00:06 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Acknowledged Message-ID: <348AC806.BF7@pacbell.net> Recieved the message. Denise >> All those >>receiving this message please acknowledge so we can know if the >>problem has been fixed. Thanks, ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #123 *********************** SCD-list Mon, 8 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 124 In this issue: my own test Request_for_quotation Re: SCD-list V1 #123 Re: Acknowledged Prednisone received you message Re: SCD-list V1 #123 Reply Re: acknowledge Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Prednisone -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:49:59 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@Longisland.com Subject: my own test Message-ID: <3df6c607.348b443c@aol.com> testing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 04:49:32 -0500 From: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-list) To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Request_for_quotation Message-ID: <19971208094927273.AAA243@dualppro1> --divider Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Att. Sales / Export Department Re: Request for quotation A RFQ for products which, to the best of our knowledge are similar to those offered by you ,was placed with us by one of our clients. We are a world wide sourcing firm and we are paid by our clients to find them suitable suppliers . To you ,our service is totally free of charge !!! The information we will get from you will not only be immediately sent to this particular client but also to all other clients looking for similar products . To define and advise us the products you are interested to export and/or to get more information about us and our FREE SERVICE , please use our Internet interface at: http://www.thebol.com Best Regards theBOL - Purchasing Department --divider-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:30:14 -0500 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #123 Message-ID: <348BF666.A138D615@emory.edu> Got it!! SCD-list wrote: > SCD-list Sun, 7 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : > Number 123 > > In this issue: > > Re: acknowledge > RE: Acknowledge > Acknowledged > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:29:02 EST > From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: acknowledge > Message-ID: <61c33097.3489fbe0@aol.com> > > got it! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 20:01:23 -0600 > From: Jan Ashby <ja60802@navix.net> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: Acknowledge > Message-ID: <348A0372.1193@navix.net> > > Message received loud and clear, John. Hurray! > > Jan A. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 08:00:06 -0800 > From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Acknowledged > Message-ID: <348AC806.BF7@pacbell.net> > > Recieved the message. > > Denise > > >> All those > >>receiving this message please acknowledge so we can know if the > >>problem has been fixed. Thanks, > > ------------------------------ > > End of SCD-list V1 #123 > *********************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:45:10 -0500 From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Acknowledged Message-ID: <85256567.004B86E9.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com> RECEIVED. THX. stellar1 @ pacbell.net Sunday December 7, 1997 11:00 AM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list @ longisland.com cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential) Subject: Acknowledged -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Recieved the message. Denise >> All those >>receiving this message please acknowledge so we can know if the >>problem has been fixed. Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:18:24 -0800 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Prednisone Message-ID: <348C4800.6183@plinet.com> 12/08/97 From: Genemash@plinet.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Prednisone I've been on Prednisone for about seven years. My dosages have been mostly towards the lower dosage end between 5&10 mgs. having been as high as 30 mgs. The main side effect that I know of is decreased bone density. Two years ago my primary care physician put me a drug called Phosamax which builds bone density and my that has made a big difference my densities are back to normal. I hope this helps. Thanks Gene ------------------------------ Date: 08 Dec 1997 10:40:10 EDT From: "Penny Freshwater" <PFRESHWA@HR.HOUSE.GOV> To: SCD-list@LONGISLAND.COM Subject: received you message Message-ID: <FL06.PFRESHWA.855528090097342FFL06@HOUSE.GOV> all is well. Penny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: R Pavley <rpavley@earthlink.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD-list V1 #123 Message-ID: <199712081740.JAA26488@norway.it.earthlink.net> yes - got this message At 08:30 AM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Got it!! >SCD-list wrote: > >> SCD-list Sun, 7 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : >> Number 123 >> >> In this issue: >> >> Re: acknowledge >> RE: Acknowledge >> Acknowledged >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:29:02 EST >> From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: Re: acknowledge >> Message-ID: <61c33097.3489fbe0@aol.com> >> >> got it! >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 20:01:23 -0600 >> From: Jan Ashby <ja60802@navix.net> >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: RE: Acknowledge >> Message-ID: <348A0372.1193@navix.net> >> >> Message received loud and clear, John. Hurray! >> >> Jan A. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 08:00:06 -0800 >> From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: Acknowledged >> Message-ID: <348AC806.BF7@pacbell.net> >> >> Recieved the message. >> >> Denise >> >> >> All those >> >>receiving this message please acknowledge so we can know if the >> >>problem has been fixed. Thanks, >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of SCD-list V1 #123 >> *********************** > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:17:05 -0500 From: jacentab@hunterlab.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Reply Message-ID: <199712081817.NAA00140@troi.hunterlab.com> Received! Jacenta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:03:17 EST From: Schchetjet <Schchetjet@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: acknowledge Message-ID: <18bde2bb.348c3e3e@aol.com> Message received Lori Schchetjet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:02:45 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984614769A@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Dear SCD list, I have been doing well, making remarkable progress on SCD for the past 70 days or so. Suddenly, without changing anything that I can pinpoint as a cause some of my symptoms that had abated considerably has returned causing me much discomfort. Nausea is my number one complaint. For some reason this has been bothering me very badly for the past two days and nothing seems to help it that has helped in the past. I has occured to me that Elaine says that often at 2-3 months their is an unexplained relapse but she implies that usually it has to do with a respirtory infection. Have many of you experienced this kind of thing at 2-3 months? How long did it last? HELP! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:53:13 -0500 From: Annie Culverhouse <aculverh@umich.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <l03010d11b0b22a421f9c@[141.213.25.73]> Pat, The same thing has happened to me. Except I've experienced mine at about 5 months. My main symptom is diarhea and my doctor is very frustrated. The medication is not even working. My relapse started in November and still hasn't stopped. I don't know what's causing it and would also like some HELP if anyone has any. -annie >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear SCD list, > >I have been doing well, making remarkable progress on SCD for the past >70 days or so. Suddenly, without changing anything that I can pinpoint >as a cause some of my symptoms that had abated considerably has returned >causing me much discomfort. Nausea is my number one complaint. For >some reason this has been bothering me very badly for the past two days >and nothing seems to help it that has helped in the past. > >I has occured to me that Elaine says that often at 2-3 months their is >an unexplained relapse but she implies that usually it has to do with a >respirtory infection. Have many of you experienced this kind of thing >at 2-3 months? How long did it last? HELP! > >Pat Ann Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 313-647-7187 fx: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:14:12 EST From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: genemash@plinet.com Subject: Re: Prednisone Message-ID: <e8ee8aa9.348c7207@aol.com> Hi...I too have been on Prednisone on and off for years. I'm seeing a bone specialist this month. I'm going for a bone density test as well. Can you tell me whats involved with a bone density test? Do they have to shoot stuff into your veins? Also, could you tell me what the side effects are, if any, to Phosamax. Do you know what it contains? How long did you it take for your bones to rebuild to normal? Thanks, Colleen In a message dated 12/8/97 8:41:54 PM, you wrote: <<-------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- 12/08/97 From: Genemash@plinet.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Prednisone I've been on Prednisone for about seven years. My dosages have been mostly towards the lower dosage end between 5&10 mgs. having been as high as 30 mgs. The main side effect that I know of is decreased bone density. Two years ago my primary care physician put me a drug called Phosamax which builds bone density and my that has made a big difference my densities are back to normal. I hope this helps. Thanks Gene ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <SCD-request@longisland.com> Received: from relay26.mail.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by air11.mail.aol.com (v36.0) with SMTP; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 15:41:54 -0500 Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) by relay26.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA25408; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from neptune.plinet.com ([206.168.149.251]) by mail.longisland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA222 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:10:27 -0500 Received: from dialup12.ipad.plinet.net (dialup12.ipad.plinet.net [206.168.149.124]) by neptune.plinet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18816 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:08:30 -0700 Message-ID: <348C4800.6183@plinet.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:18:24 -0800 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Prednisone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #124 *********************** SCD-list Tue, 9 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 125 In this issue: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months SCD Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Once Again.. Re: Once Again.. Re: Once Again.. Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Balsamic Vinegar Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Relapes -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:57:43 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Message-ID: <l03010d00b0b2479b3dd6@[206.112.46.15]> Dear Moira, I spoke to Elaine this weekend and she asked me to ask you, if you would please send her a fax telling her how your son is currently doing. I couldn't find your private Email address. Hope all is well. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <m0xfF9R-003KicC@iaw.on.ca> Pat, I had the relapse that Elaine describes in the book. I couldn't see any reason for it, and I didn't have any kind of cold. It started just before two months on the diet, and it lasted almost two weeks, although I could at least see my condition improving after a week. Take care, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:00:00 EST From: WILLYHAY <WILLYHAY@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD Message-ID: <6c33eda6.348ca9a3@aol.com> Hi everyone! A few week ago someone asked if balsamic vinegar is allowed on the diet. I didnt see if anyone replied to this question. Can anyone help? Thanks, Joni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:50:21 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <01bd0466$5629d7c0$223b36ce@backpack> Hi All, I don't know if this will help or not, but after about 2 months on the diet, I had a relapse that put me in the diarreah mode. It took awhile to find out what was causing it, but eventually I did find out, by accident. For me it was the nut flour. Altough I did okay with the nut flour for the first two months, for some reason I developed an intolerance to it. I didn't eat nut flour for about three days and all of the sudden the diarreah was gone. I've stayed away from the nut flour for over two months and have had no problems what-so-ever. That's my input; what worked for me may not work for you, but one never knows. All I do know is that we have tricky guts with individualized disfunctions that we must experiment with. I hope my input helps. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Annie Culverhouse <aculverh@umich.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Pat, >The same thing has happened to me. Except I've experienced mine at about 5 >months. My main symptom is diarhea and my doctor is very frustrated. The >medication is not even working. My relapse started in November and still >hasn't stopped. I don't know what's causing it and would also like some >HELP if anyone has any. > >-annie > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Dear SCD list, >> >>I have been doing well, making remarkable progress on SCD for the past >>70 days or so. Suddenly, without changing anything that I can pinpoint >>as a cause some of my symptoms that had abated considerably has returned >>causing me much discomfort. Nausea is my number one complaint. For >>some reason this has been bothering me very badly for the past two days >>and nothing seems to help it that has helped in the past. >> >>I has occured to me that Elaine says that often at 2-3 months their is >>an unexplained relapse but she implies that usually it has to do with a >>respirtory infection. Have many of you experienced this kind of thing >>at 2-3 months? How long did it last? HELP! >> >>Pat > > >Ann Culverhouse >Program Coordinator >Center for Professional Development >313-647-7187 >fx: 313-647-7182 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:36:04 +0100 From: Bernt Johansson <etxbtjn@sta.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Once Again.. Message-ID: <348CF4E4.885@sta.ericsson.se> Linda Kahrs wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Once Again, if you recieved this message but did not reply to the last > message, please email > > linda@invision.net > > for testing purposes. > > Thank you.. > > Linda > > *------------------------INVISION, LLC.---------------------------* > * Linda Kahrs * > * Windows NT Administrator * > * linda@invision.net * > * Phone: 516-543-1000 Fax: 516-864-8896 * > *-----------------------www.invision.net--------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:26:58 EST From: Rosa Kuhn <RosaKuhn@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Once Again.. Message-ID: <eee597e7.348d3915@aol.com> I have received the message. Rosa Kuhn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:32:38 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Fleming <pfleming@computerpro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Once Again.. Message-ID: <199712091232.GAA09901@superior.computerpro.com> At 08:36 AM 12/9/97 +0100, you wrote: Message received. Marilyn and Ryan Fleming >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Linda Kahrs wrote: >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Once Again, if you recieved this message but did not reply to the last >> message, please email >> >> linda@invision.net >> >> for testing purposes. >> >> Thank you.. >> >> Linda >> >> *------------------------INVISION, LLC.---------------------------* >> * Linda Kahrs * >> * Windows NT Administrator * >> * linda@invision.net * >> * Phone: 516-543-1000 Fax: 516-864-8896 * >> *-----------------------www.invision.net--------------------------* > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:15:10 -0500 From: Ann Watts <awatts@andromeda.rutgers.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971209081510.006ae734@andromeda.rutgers.edu> Pat, Annie, and other sufferers, I too had a relapse at 3 months, but I could name the culprit: bad apple cider. It took me three months and much prednizone to get out of trouble. Now, a year latter, almost to the day, I am again having trouble, but with two main differences: it is not nearly as bad, and the cause may be an infection. From these experiences I draw, for myself at least, two conclusions: 1. Stick with the diet through thick and thin. One would be in worse shape without the diet than with it. 2. If relapses come, perhaps (let us hope), each time they come they are less severe than before. Again: stick with the diet. 3. In times of stress, as Elaine and others have urged, draw back on the diet to the simplest beginning form (chicken soup, etc.). Good luck, Ann Watts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:49:54 EST From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Cc: WILLYHAY@aol.com Subject: Re: Balsamic Vinegar Message-ID: <bc1dd64.348d4c84@aol.com> Joni. THe answer to your question is No. Balsamic Vinegar is NOT allowed on the diet. It has some sugars in it. I remember asking Elaine about this back in 95 when I started the diet. Colleen In a message dated 12/9/97 3:23:59 AM, you wrote: <<-------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone! A few week ago someone asked if balsamic vinegar is allowed on the diet. I didnt see if anyone replied to this question. Can anyone help? Thanks, Joni ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <SCD-request@longisland.com> Received: from relay06.mail.aol.com (relay06.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.6]) by air18.mail.aol.com (v36.0) with SMTP; Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:23:58 -0500 Received: from mail.longisland.com (longisland.com [206.112.34.25]) by relay06.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA07562; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com ([198.81.19.166]) by mail.longisland.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 0-34572U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA143 for <SCD-list@longisland.com>; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:21:53 -0500 From: WILLYHAY <WILLYHAY@aol.com> Message-ID: <6c33eda6.348ca9a3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:00:00 EST To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:20:55 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <01bd04d7$928c7440$b92c15d1@akpinar> Pat, Annie and other sufferers, I have been on the SCD diet for 4/5 months and my experience agrees very much with that of Ann Watts. I have to watch my diet very carefully in order to avoid bad actors that seem to sneak in there once in a while. When there is a relapse I go back to the most radical form of the diet until I get back to where I was before. The diet works in time not pronto... But one thing is for sure, I have to be vigilant, constantly vigilant about bad actors that sneak in to my diet and put me back. When I am free of symptoms for a while, I tend to get over-confident and start trying foods which might be a little questionable. Every time I did this I got into trouble. So now I think I have learned. No more uncooked fresh veggies, no apple juice or any other compound product that comes out of a can or a bottle. I just stick to fish, meat, chicken.... grilled or steamed.... allowed veggies steamed or broiled to a point that they are soft. No fibrous veggies. Eggs in the morning with blueberry muffins, honey and tea. Almond flour from Hodgeson in California.. makes good muffins and bread.... I have never had a problem with any of the things I made from this almond flour. The blueberry muffins I make are always a good standby snack. Bananas in the muffin or the bread mix seem to work wonders. I use yogurt exclusively instead of dry curd cottage cheese. Whenever I feel some symptoms I go back to the core diet. And eventually things to straighten out. The more I stay on the diet, the more I become a convinced disciple of Elaine Gottschall. I am beginning to think she is a Saint. Our Saint.. Good Luck to all sufferers. Keep the faith.... Alp Akpinar -----Original Message----- From: Ann Watts <awatts@andromeda.rutgers.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 5:11 AM Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat, Annie, and other sufferers, > > I too had a relapse at 3 months, but I could name the culprit: bad apple >cider. It took me three months and much prednizone to get out of trouble. >Now, a year latter, almost to the day, I am again having trouble, but with >two main differences: it is not nearly as bad, and the cause may be an >infection. > > From these experiences I draw, for myself at least, two conclusions: > >1. Stick with the diet through thick and thin. One would be in worse shape >without the diet than with it. > >2. If relapses come, perhaps (let us hope), each time they come they are >less severe than before. Again: stick with the diet. > >3. In times of stress, as Elaine and others have urged, draw back on the >diet to the simplest beginning form (chicken soup, etc.). > >Good luck, > >Ann Watts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:56:20 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <d4e9e63e.348dbe87@aol.com> Annie and Pat, Sorry to say, but I have to join this 2-3 month not doing well club. In the beginning I ate the nut flour and small amounts of the allowable cheeses without any problem. Then when this system went down around thanksgiving, and before I realized what was wrong, I wrote a "help I'm not doing well message." Worse diarhea - so I started eliminating things and my system calmed down. Now I can eat no nut flour or dairy and must severly limit bananas and watered down grape juice. This limits the scd diet to the point where I don't even feel I'm really following it because all I eat is meat, vegetables, and cooked fruit. I don't cheat. I read an old post (on the other list) from a Dan Woods who mentioned he could not eat nut flour or dairy and I was wondering how he or others like him, were doing now. I'm sure we would all be happy campers if we could just eat all the food in the scd diet, never cheat of course, and do well. I would like to know how long that takes and if some people never tolerate certain foods as widespread as all dairy and nuts. Have you limited your food Annie or Pat? Pat, I'm real sorry to hear about the nausea. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:59:19 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <5c80683f.348dbf39@aol.com> Annie and Pat, I forgot to mention that I had a bad chest cold around the same time as my relapse. What does respitory infection have to do with it? I didn't take any medication. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 15:06:28 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Relapes Message-ID: <348DCEF4.5C70@pacbell.net> For the person asking the question about relapses while doing the SCD (after innitial improvement), I have been on the SCD for nine months and am now virtually symptom-free. I have had NUMEROUS setbacks and small relapses though, the longest was two weeks long or so. I did have one around the two months mark. I urge you to be patient, stay on the diet and restrict your diet to the limited diet Elaine recommends starting out with, and watch the amount of sugar (i.e., honey, fruit) you consume (my suggestion). (Also look at your caffeine consumption). You are bound to improve again! Best wishes, Denise ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #125 *********************** SCD-list Wed, 10 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 126 In this issue: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Re: Relapes Thanks for help concerning relapses Re: Relapes Re: Relapes Re: Relapes Re: Relapse at 2-3 months okra okra, soft bread, raisin bread -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:48:35 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <4293e410.348df4f5@aol.com> pat same thing happened to me about 21/2 mos after i was on the diet. i stopped the eggs and bannanas for afew days and found they were the problem. for some reason i no longer tolerated them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:14:22 -0600 From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapes Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971210041422.00ad9c08@ntmail.normicro.com> Hello everyone, I just finished reading the book by the Haas Doctors who originated the diet that cured Elaine's daughter and that became the basis for Elaine's book. Those doctors often observed relapses in their patients-- often associated with an illness (of various sorts). If the illness was likely to cause abdominal distress in the normal population it was likely to be the culprit in the return of diarrhea to the doctors' patient. The doctors Haas suggested that the diet be examined carefully to make sure that no forbidden foods had been added. In most cases the diarrhea seemed to stop in a few weeks. (I personally think that stress can bring on a relapse. Does that ring a bell for anyone?) The book implied that the longer a child stayed on the diet, the less likely the child was to have relapses. I think it was about 18 months that relapses stopped. By the way, their patients were children and the ones reported on had celiac disease not IBD, but the diet seems to work much the same way for us (IBDers). Somebody asked why a food that seems ok in the beginning suddenly becomes a problem. I recall someone saying months ago that as the bowel heals it actually becomes more sensitive to offending foods. I know it happened like that for me. I ate yoghurt in the very beginning, but as my symptoms improved I became less able to eat yoghurt and finally had to give it up. I agree with the others that say stay on the diet and use the basic diet when relapses occur. Best wishes, Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:34:03 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Thanks for help concerning relapses Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98461476AA@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Thanks to everyone who replied concering their experience with relapses. I appreciate the suggestions greatly!! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:06:54 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Relapes Message-ID: <01bd054a$f5afcd60$763593d0@akpinar> Denise who became virtually symptom free after 9 months on the diet... I am wondering if you are also taking medication like Mesalamine or Prednisone ? Or is it only on account of the diet that you became symptom free ? Alpaslan -----Original Message----- From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 2:59 PM Subject: Relapes >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >For the person asking the question about relapses while doing the SCD >(after innitial improvement), I have been on the SCD for nine months and >am now virtually symptom-free. I have had NUMEROUS setbacks and small >relapses though, the longest was two weeks long or so. I did have one >around the two months mark. I urge you to be patient, stay on the diet >and restrict your diet to the limited diet Elaine recommends starting >out with, and watch the amount of sugar (i.e., honey, fruit) you consume >(my suggestion). (Also look at your caffeine consumption). You are >bound to improve again! > >Best wishes, >Denise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:26:46 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Relapes Message-ID: <01bd0599$2c344480$373b36ce@backpack> Alpaslan, Before I went on the diet, I was on mesalamine for three years solid. I couldn't bare life without it. After three months on the diet I finally got off of the mesalamine. I only use it occassionally if I have bleeding from occassional bouts of constipation. In the last two months I've used mesalamine for only two days. My CD never got bad enough for me to be put on prednisone. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Alpaslan Akpinar <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Relapes >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Denise who became virtually symptom free after 9 months on the diet... I am >wondering if you are also taking medication like Mesalamine or Prednisone ? >Or is it only on account of the diet that you became symptom free ? > >Alpaslan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> >Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 2:59 PM >Subject: Relapes > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>For the person asking the question about relapses while doing the SCD >>(after innitial improvement), I have been on the SCD for nine months and >>am now virtually symptom-free. I have had NUMEROUS setbacks and small >>relapses though, the longest was two weeks long or so. I did have one >>around the two months mark. I urge you to be patient, stay on the diet >>and restrict your diet to the limited diet Elaine recommends starting >>out with, and watch the amount of sugar (i.e., honey, fruit) you consume >>(my suggestion). (Also look at your caffeine consumption). You are >>bound to improve again! >> >>Best wishes, >>Denise > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:07:47 -0800 From: "Alpaslan Akpinar" <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Relapes Message-ID: <01bd059e$e74d0cc0$752193d0@akpinar> Glenn, It is good to know that some of us can get along without medication. There may be more hope for better days .... Thank you for passing on the good news. Alpaslan -----Original Message----- From: Glenn L. Rung <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Relapes >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Alpaslan, > >Before I went on the diet, I was on mesalamine for three years solid. I >couldn't bare life without it. After three months on the diet I finally got >off of the mesalamine. I only use it occassionally if I have bleeding from >occassional bouts of constipation. In the last two months I've used >mesalamine for only two days. My CD never got bad enough for me to be put on >prednisone. > >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alpaslan Akpinar <alpaslan@2xtreme.net> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> >Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 2:07 AM >Subject: Re: Relapes > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Denise who became virtually symptom free after 9 months on the diet... I am >>wondering if you are also taking medication like Mesalamine or Prednisone ? >>Or is it only on account of the diet that you became symptom free ? >> >>Alpaslan >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> >>To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> >>Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 2:59 PM >>Subject: Relapes >> >> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>SCD MAILING LIST >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>For the person asking the question about relapses while doing the SCD >>>(after innitial improvement), I have been on the SCD for nine months and >>>am now virtually symptom-free. I have had NUMEROUS setbacks and small >>>relapses though, the longest was two weeks long or so. I did have one >>>around the two months mark. I urge you to be patient, stay on the diet >>>and restrict your diet to the limited diet Elaine recommends starting >>>out with, and watch the amount of sugar (i.e., honey, fruit) you consume >>>(my suggestion). (Also look at your caffeine consumption). You are >>>bound to improve again! >>> >>>Best wishes, >>>Denise >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 13:28:11 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Relapse at 2-3 months Message-ID: <9712102028.AA122454@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Jane (and others), > I read an old post (on the other list) from a Dan Woods who mentioned > he could not eat nut flour or dairy and I was wondering how he or others > like him, were doing now. I don't recall ever saying that I had a specific problem with the nut flour or dairy. I believe I said that I avoided starting to use nut flour until after 2 months on the diet. And nut flour is still ok for me now (six months on diet). As far as dairy... I believe I said that I noticed cheese caused me some problems in the beginning. However I was able to-reintroduce them successfully (no bad reaction) later after about 3 months into the diet. This was also true for eggs. I did use them in the cheesecake recipe since the beginning and this seemd ok. I eat 2 soft-boiled eggs every morning. Yogurt was never a problem for me. As I have said often on the list, my personal experience indicates that it is *extremely* important to only introduce ONE new food at a time for at least 2-3 days. If you have no bad reactions (ie: D., pain), then you will know for sure that you can include it in your *personal* list of acceptable foods. I have made this mistake recently (getting ready for X-Mas) by trying to introduce Chinese Mandarin oranges and green salad (with cucumber, tomato, and mustard/honey sauce). I know all the stuff I added to salad are ok for me, but I think the romaine lettuce caused problems. I know this because I had already stopped the oranges first. It has taken at least 2 days for the salad to clear my system and get back to "normal". I will wait two more (good) days, and then try oranges again (by itself). This is the type of process I go through, and it works well (with lots of discipline). Hope this helps :) Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:04:39 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@Longisland.com Subject: okra Message-ID: <65c83108.348f1290@aol.com> does anyone know if okra is allowed. seems like the insides may be starch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:48:07 +0100 From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: okra, soft bread, raisin bread Message-ID: <19971210.164808.11366.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com> When I was beginning this diet months ago I asked if okra was okay and the answer I received was that it was okay and probably good for you to eat. I use it without any problem. It helps to thicken gumbo. I want to thank Joan for her soft bread receipe. I made a loaf and used it to make bread dressing at thanksgiving. It was great also I thank it tastes good by itself. I know it doesn't taste like real bread but since I have been on this diet for almost 8 months I don't really know what real bread tastes like. Today I took the softbread receipe and converted to cinnamon raisin bread. It was great so I thought I would share the receipe. Soft Cinnamon Raisin Bread 3 1/2 cup almond flour 3 eggs 1/4 cup melted butter 1 tsp baking soda 1 cup yogurt (homemade) 1/4 tsp salt 3/4 cup honey 2 tbl cinnamon 1/2 - 3/4 cup raisins Directions: Mix together in food processor, adding raisins at the very end. Put in buttered loaf pan and then bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes. Let it cool completely before removing from pan. Karen ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #126 *********************** SCD-list Thu, 18 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 134 In this issue: Re: heartburn Re: heartburn Re: heartburn Re: Re:Night Wakings & Bakers Cheese Re: Fever -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:40:39 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: heartburn Message-ID: <6e45dc22.34988d2d@aol.com> Thanks Joni and Happy Holidays! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:39:03 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: heartburn Message-ID: <de157822.34988cca@aol.com> Thank-you Roy for replying and have a wonderful trip! It's so reassuring to hear success stories like yours. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:15:01 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: heartburn Message-ID: <be47df37.3498953b@aol.com> I love all the testimonials on heartburn. I found out tonight the exact diagnosis for my friend with these symptoms is Barretts Esophagitis (sp). Two days and still doing wonderful! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:32:25 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Re:Night Wakings & Bakers Cheese Message-ID: <01bd0b6d$f0bcfca0$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: Partridge +ADw-raparch+AEA-planet.eon.net+AD4- To: SCD-list+AEA-longisland.com +ADw-SCD-list+AEA-longisland.com+AD4- Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 6:02 PM Subject: Re:Night Wakings +ACY- Bakers Cheese SCD Group, +AD4- +AD4-NIGHT WAKINGS: We were wondering if anybody has any thoughts on what the +AD4-possible cause/reasons might be for +ACI-night wakings+ACI- It will be almost two +AD4-years that Martine has been on the SCD - STRICTLY. (She has never cheated) +AD4-She is basically is eating chicken, fish, cheese, yougurt, nutbread and +AD4-butter along with cooked carrots and squash along with apple sauce. Yet she +AD4-still finds that her nights are when her bowels are more active, resulting +AD4-in shorter periods of sleep. Any thoughts, similar experiences or +AD4-suggestions would be appreciated. Snip+AD4- Allan Is Martine drinking any amount of liquids prior to bed time, or in the evenings? I ask this question because a warm cup of coffee, or for that matter even a warm cup of water will keep me regular in the mornings approx 8:30 to 9:30 each day . Given that I eat at least two reasonable sized meals a day. hope this might be helpfull. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:54:44 +0100 From: Bernt Johansson <etxbtjn@sta.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fever Message-ID: <3498D6C4.55D5@sta.ericsson.se> Hi. I guess it's the same with UC as with CD which I have. It can give you fever in case of a flare, that's why your doc asked about it. I've had it for a few times in my pre-SCD days. Now I'm getting it every other day without a flare (OK, I haven't been feeling too well for the last couple of weeks, but is the fever a result of that or is it the other way around???), not as high as it could be before SCD though, but still a bit annoying since it occurs almost every day. The readings before SCD could be up to 104, now it's more like 99.5-100.5. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all. Bernt Johansson Sweden Jvert63 wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > hi , > funny you suggest this. just today i felt hot and sluggish and my temp reading > was '100.7 i am not your sure your theory is correct because over the 6 years > of uc my doc askede if i had fever on each visit. maybe are toxins given off > when the vermin are dead or alive causing fever? ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #134 *********************** SCD-list Fri, 19 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 135 In this issue: dizziness re: heartburn Re: dizziness Re:Peppermint Re: dizziness Christmas Parties -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:30:12 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: dizziness Message-ID: <589b56ce.349a76e6@aol.com> Yesterday I felt like I was almost going to faint - 3 times. Same thing this morning after I had eaten bananna and egg mixture topped with honey. Could this be low blood sugar? Happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not eating enough fruit or veggies, though of course I eat them, maybe just not enough? Thanks Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 10:44:31 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: re: heartburn Message-ID: <9712191744.AA56554@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Jane, Forgive the delay in response, I am just getting caught up on all the SCD messsages this week. > Has anyone out there cured their heartburn along with IBD symptoms? Yes, since day *one* on the diet, I have not had any heartburn (unless I overeat). I used to take Pepcid-AC every night after supper... no more. Bloating and gas, if any, is minor. Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:08:19 EST From: Rosa Kuhn <RosaKuhn@aol.com> To: Kebridan@aol.com, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: dizziness Message-ID: <1ada4f2c.349ac625@aol.com> I suffered from acute dizziness for about two months, particularly while lying down at night and turning my head. I could never figure out if it was from low blood sugar or something with my inner ear. It's gone now and I do try to eat more carbs. Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:33:13 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Peppermint Message-ID: <l03110701b0bd0c698493@[206.40.74.36]> I noticed in "Prescriptions for Natural Healing" peppermint "increases stomach acidity. Irritates mucous membranes and the gastrointestinal tract. Use for chills, fever, colic, nausea, diarrhea, heart trouble, rheumatism, convulsions, spasms, and headaches. Caution: May interfere with iron absorption." I returned the peppermint capsules I purchased after reading this. Prateeksha >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tis the season for Night Wakings I guess. I have been getting them >as well for over one month. I know it's trapped gas. How it became >trapped and why I don't know. I just read about the helpful effects >of peppermint ( tea or oil ) used to break up gas and soothe the GI >tract. I want to try this. I bought some Slippery Elm Bark last week >for alleviation of these night wakings then learned today that the >Slippery Elm Bark is mainly a polysaccharide ( to answer another >question from last week ). So the Bark goes to the back of the herb >shelf. ;-) > >I haven't talked to a professional about how to administer the >peppermint to be most effective for overnight relief. Anyone else out >there already using Peppermint that could add more? > >Someone once queried about being symptomatic at certain times of the >year. I noticed an increase of people stating that symptoms are >appearing. My guess is that the visions of sugarplums that dance in >our heads contain disaccharides. I am completely >joking.....symptomatic, but in a very festive mood. :-) > >Barb <hanging the mistletoe> Mills >Vancouver, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:33:26 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: dizziness Message-ID: <l03110700b0c079b58597@[206.40.74.38]> Dear Jane, I have been "plagued" with vertigo in the last year;and off and on, in the last 15 years or so. Doctors diagnose its source the inner ear which gets infected from fluids that drain from my sinuses (allergies). I have not had such marked symptoms immediately after eating a particular meal as you have, but rather, especially, when lying down, turning over in bed, or while rising from having lay down and walking first minute or so after rising. I find nasal sprays prescribed by my internist (Beconnase) help me to normalize; then I don't spray until it starts again...I find the spray irritates the lining of my nose if prolonged use. Question: Do you have allergies? If so, you could be very allergic to something you are eating that could cause the dizziness. Why not check one of the foods at a time for several days and leave off the others to see? We have to be our own detectives!!!!! I am finding after 6 months on the SCD diet, that I am become more sensitive to my "food offenders" and less tolerant of them than ever before!!! Perhaps this is the case for you, too. I wonder. Good luck to you in "sussing" it out. And a healthier and happy new year as well to you and all of us! Prateeksha >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Yesterday I felt like I was almost going to faint - 3 times. Same thing this >morning after I had eaten bananna and egg mixture topped with honey. Could >this be low blood sugar? Happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not eating enough >fruit or veggies, though of course I eat them, maybe just not enough? Thanks >Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:06:56 +0100 From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Christmas Parties Message-ID: <19971219.140656.16646.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com> I had a great experince today. I am a teacher and every year we have a pot luck Christmas party. I made a squash casserole so that I would have something I would be able to eat. It turned out real well and several of my co-workers wanted the receipe. It just goes to show with a little planning we can survive parties on this diet. Merry Christmas to all of you. Karen ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #135 *********************** SCD-list Sat, 20 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 136 In this issue: Re: Peppermint Re: dizziness Joint paints/stiffness Re: Dizzyness Re: Dizzyness Almost 1 Year! Re: Dizzyness Re: Dizzyness Re: Peppermint Re: Joint paints/stiffness Re: Almost 1 Year! Eating in Restaurants anyone saves their digested lists???? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:13:36 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Peppermint Message-ID: <f8f36592.349b1bc3@aol.com> i have always noticed trouble with most type of mint. just brushing with mint flavored toothpaste makes me sick and my bowels feel queezy. (i use strait baking soa on my teeth) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:37:36 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: dizziness Message-ID: <4897ad89.349b2164@aol.com> it surprises me that you would have such a dilemma on the scd. it must be lack of carbs or dehydration. while i myself never experience dizziness ( good thing because i am a high rise window cleaner) ,but my sister did and fixed it by staying away from grains ( she's not on the scd nor has any ibd but allegies to wheat and yeast) . try drinking lots of juice with water and get some good vitamins w/ b like in the book. i far from expert but its my input. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:13:43 -0700 From: tarisawa@wic.net (Arisawa, Toru) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Joint paints/stiffness Message-ID: <349B37E7.3FFA@wic.net> I have been on the SCD diet approximately 2 months. For the last 2 weeks I have an aching pain in my arms/elbows and my knees feel quite stiff at times too. -Has anyone else experienced something like this while on the SCD diet and if so for how long? Isabella ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:39:58 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dizzyness Message-ID: <349B4C1E.2D4@pacbell.net> > Yesterday I felt like I was almost going to faint - 3 times. Same > thing this morning after I had eaten bananna and egg mixture topped > with honey. That used to happen to me after I ate the bananna and egg pancakes too! How strange! I just stopped eating that particular thing, and others too, figured it was food allergies. Good luck! Denise ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:06:25 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dizzyness Message-ID: <46aee21c.349bd0e3@aol.com> Thank-you everyone for replying about heartburn and dizziness! It really helps. I have made a conscious effort to eat even more fruit and veggies. I also started drinking a little more orange juice. That seemed to work yesterday. I'm not taking any vitamins - just haven't given it the time to check into - will after this holiday. Interesting to note though the inner ear problem where you get dizzy just rolling over in bed. There is a name for that - can't remember. I haven't had that in a long time and I never heard of anyone having it until this group. Connection with IBD??? Moira, if you read this I would love to know how you are doing with your son. Haven't heard from you since this system went down. Did you ever call Elaine? Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:51:09 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: "SCD LONG ISLAND" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Almost 1 Year! Message-ID: <199712201649.LAA02897@camel14.mindspring.com> Hi Everyone! Hope everyone is doing well. As for me I am going to be on this wonderful diet for 1 year come 12/24/97. Last year at this time I was on my death bed. I weighed 125lb and my normal weight prior to my Crohns was 186-192lb. and my height is 5'11". Now I am very happy to say I have no bleeding, joint pain and stomach pain at all, thank GOD! I am also not running to the nearest toilet any more. I am sorry that I haven't been writing in as often, I have been so busy. I am a Contractor and it is my own company. I am also doing alot of work for Dr. Ronald Hoffman. If nobody knows who he is, he wrote the forward to Elaine's book. I heard that Elaine wants to write another book with Dr. Hoffman and this time she wants him to participate in the hole book rather than just forward. That I think would be one hell of a book. I think that if anyone live close enough to Manhattan they should definitely have Dr. Hoffman as there doctor. He really cares about his patients and is very knowledgeable in his field. Enough yapping on my part, hope I didn't bore anyone. Happy Holidays! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:28:55 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dizzyness Message-ID: <199712201953.LAA03955@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> >Interesting to note though the inner ear problem where you get dizzy >just rolling over in bed. There is a name for that - can't >remember. I haven't had that in a long time and I never heard of >anyone having it until this group. Connection with IBD??? In 1985 I went to my Dr. cause I wase having this (Vertigo). While I was there I mentioned these stomach pains but I felt it was secondary to the Vertigo which really scared me. Turns out the vertigo is no big deal but a series of tests diagnosed the Crohn's. And so it began. I wonder about the relationship of the two. Happy Holidays, Barb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:34:23 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dizzyness Message-ID: <d2fc87d0.349c0fb2@aol.com> Thank-you everyone for replying about heartburn and dizziness! It really helps. I have made a conscious effort to eat even more fruit and veggies. I also started drinking a little more orange juice. That seemed to work yesterday. I'm not taking any vitamins - just haven't given it the time to check into - will after this holiday. Interesting to note though the inner ear problem where you get dizzy just rolling over in bed. There is a name for that - can't remember. I haven't had that in a long time and I never heard of anyone having it until this group. Connection with IBD??? Moira, if you read this I would love to know how you are doing with your son. Haven't heard from you since this system went down. Did you ever call Elaine? Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:38:53 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Peppermint Message-ID: <5270c8ce.349c10bf@aol.com> What about the peppermint herbal tea that is allowed? I drink a ton of it. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:46:41 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Joint paints/stiffness Message-ID: <caf0be98.349c3cc3@aol.com> i don't know what your condition is but if it is uc than that is a symptom that occurs in many who suffer from it. i havn't had any my self since being onthe diet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:52:10 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Almost 1 Year! Message-ID: <34c4979a.349c3e0c@aol.com> i live in queens and listen to dr hoffmann onwor and shop at healthy pleasures for almondflour etc. if you have time can you e-mail me the # to his office thanks Jvert63@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:07:15 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Eating in Restaurants Message-ID: <l03110701b0c1f006b634@[206.40.74.61]> Hello Everyone, Want to share what I did that worked with regard to eating out. I called ahead to the restaurant of choice and they suggested I talk to the chef and explain my special diet needs, which I did. The chef asked that I put all the info on a card and give it to the waitress/waiter and ask that person to give it to the chef. I did that and it worked so beautifully and smoothly. I relaxed, and talked with my friend and out came our dinners...smooth as silk and no big deal of having to have the waiter run back and forth with questions, etc. Everyone appreciated the way my special diet needs were handled and I plan to continue to do this. I have put it on my computer and will get a few sheets of cardstock stationery and print it on there; cut to size, and slip into my handbag for anytime I am eating out! It looked like this: ____________________________(Chef) SPECIAL MENU FOR: "PRATEEKSHA" FISH SIMPLY GRILLED (OLIVE OIL, BUTTER,GARLIC,SALT) VEGGIES STEAMED,GRILLED,BAKED,OR SAUTEED (NO ONION FAMILY, CABBAGE FAMILY, PEPPERS, ASPARAGUS) COOKED UNTIL "TENDER"; NOT CRUNCHY. NO: GRAINS, STARCHES, SUGARS, DAIRY, SOY, YEAST FRUIT, RAW FOOD. NO MAYONNAISE, KETCHUP, VINEGAR (EXCEPT CIDER OR WHITE), MARGARINE. WITH DEEP APPRECIATION, PRATEEKSHA Good luck; Happy Holidays! Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:26:33 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: anyone saves their digested lists???? Message-ID: <c252aac8.349c542b@aol.com> Hello ! I have had the computer down for the past 2 weeks because we transferred our telephone line to our new house since we spent all day there renovating it. I was wondering if anyone saves their digested lists and can forward some to me. I had posted a question about 100% lactose free milk and whether or not it was safe, but the phone line was transferred before I had a chance to see if there were any responses. I am curious to know what I had missed out on all this time.... Thanks a lot, Simone ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #136 *********************** SCD-list Sun, 21 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 137 In this issue: Re: joint pains/stiffness Re: anyone saves their digested lists???? Re: Eating in Restaurants Want to heal your gut for good? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:54:04 EST From: PI5DA <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: joint pains/stiffness Message-ID: <16d75863.349c76be@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-20 19:53:13 EST, you write: << I have been on the SCD diet approximately 2 months. For the last 2 weeks I have an aching pain in my arms/elbows and my knees feel quite stiff at times too. -Has anyone else experienced something like this while on the SCD diet and if so for how long? >> Isabella, I have been on the SCD diet for almost 3 months. After seeing improvement the first two months (BM and arthritis), I started feeling worse: frequent abdominal pains, return of pain and swelling in my feet, arms, wrists, and knees, bad BMs...In fact a couple of weeks ago I was in such a bad shape, I could barely wobble, and had to massage my feet all day to help with the pain. Then I finally broke down and started taking Prednisone for the first time. After the 1st pill, the arthritic pain went away and now I have free mobility. Too bad the abdominal cramps and BM did not improve. Then I re-read Elanine's book where she wrote that approx. 2-3 months after starting the diet, it's common to suffer a relapse, with other minor setbacks throughout the first year or so. I can only assume that what's happening now: a relapse. Due to the internal inflammation, I believe ( and my doctor confirms it all the time) it is the culprit in what is causing inflammation and pain in the joints. Afterall, isn't IBD an inflammation? Fortunately, not everyone is afflicted with arthrits, but some of are, and it's pretty bad. I read that omaga-3 fish oils do a pretty good job with arthritic pain and inflammaiton: along with cats'c claw, glutamine and propbably a few others I can't recall right now. I am taking these supplements my self right now, hoping it will take effect soon. Take care, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:29:35 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: anyone saves their digested lists???? Message-ID: <e6fcf39f.349c7f11@aol.com> i believe the book says lactose digested milk is not allowed because the result is lactase (the sweet taste in the digestes lactose ) is a disaccharide or something like that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:40:41 EST From: Jvert63 <Jvert63@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Eating in Restaurants Message-ID: <868dc064.349c81ab@aol.com> thats fortunate that you found such an accomadating chef. thats the key word chef .in a good restaurant with a discriminating chef with inetgrity this could be done but in less quality (cook) it might not be as effective. what i have done is research my differant ethnic foods thru cookbooks and see what it takes to prepare them and order those when i go out . i find a lot of thai food is ok .they generally dont use starch , sometimes sugar but only certain dishes but i think i will give your method a try. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:22:26 EST From: Cwhartford <Cwhartford@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <a657c5e2.349d5054@aol.com> To all my fellow Bowel Buddies, I've been on this diet since beginning of '95. Strictly!!!! I too have had relapses. I have been hosptialized twice since I started this diet with severe flare ups of ulcerative colitis. The diet has helped me, but I've continued my search for a 'cure' as I continue eating the SCD, because although it's helped it's not cured it. I've had this disease for 14 years. I've researched health for as long as I've been sick. During my quest for my health I've shared openly and generously with people who have bowel disease anything I come across that is of some help to me. As I have with Elaine's Diet. I've shared it with many , many people. I absolutely adore Elaine. Due to my support, she has spoken many times in my hometown . They always went over very well. I too have done talks regarding this diet and bowel disease as well. As my health continues to challenge me my search continues. I thought I had turned over every stone as far as diets go. I thought Elaine's hit it right on the head. It's made so much sense. But, I continued to suffer with flare ups even after three years being on her diet very strictly. I have had allergy tests done and removed those foods from my diet as well. I have been under the care of a naturopath, etc. Being sick has cost me thousands of dollars, aside from how it's affected my quality of life and relationships with friends and family. I want to healthy so bad so I can live a normal, wonderful life like others are who are healthy. In June of 97, I was hospitalized again after trying to heal at homw for 5 months and for the life of me could not understand why I couldn't get better. Then when I got out of the hospital I could not come down on the prednisone without having the extreme symptoms come back. I started to contemplate surgery in Novermber because I was so sick of being sick and the side effects of being on such high doses of steroids were just as bad as the disease itself. Then my prayers were answered... I came across someone who had 'cured' themself from this very disease, ulceritive colitis, and has been free of symptoms for over 8 years. I checked into it and found others just like him who had 'cured' themselves of the disease as well as chron's and other bowel diseases...with no relapses and it's been years for them. Even colon cancer!!! I was crying I was so excited to hear this news. It's been like a message from God for me. There is light at the end of this very dark tunnle after all. I have been inspired to have hope again. I want to pass this on to you. I am for the first time since June down to 5 mgs of prednisone and in two weeks I plan to be off completely. Previous to my switch in diet I had not been able to reduce my dose of 60 mgs for 6 months. I feel this new path is helping me like never before. I want to share it with those of you on this board, but you'll have to write to me separately as It's too long to put on this list. I totally support people doing Elaine's diet if it's working for them on the level they want. But for those who are continuing to get relapses or for those who want to 'heal and cure' their disease ...I invite you to just check this out. I was going to wait a few months to share this info with you people. I wanted to be off the prednisone and doing REALLY well, but I am getting better and feel so much more vitality then I have in a year AND I'm getting bombarded with e-mails from this list that people are suffering still and I feel selfish keeping this info to myself. I'm exploring as you all are and feel it only supportive of me to share this with you. I have not completely healed yet...but I am no longer feeing like I'm going to have to face surgery. And I have been in touch with those who have healed completely and their teaching me how to do it. That's good enough for me to try it and pass on the good news! My e-mail address is cwhartford@aol.com I am planning on leaving this list soon as the SCD is no longer my focus at this time. I wish you all the best. In health, Colleen ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #137 *********************** SCD-list Mon, 22 Dec 1997 Volume 1 : Number 138 In this issue: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Re: Pro-Symbioflor and Pro Symbiolact SEASONS GREETINGS 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Re:Quoting Cider recipes Re: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Re: Want to heal your gut for good? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:54:22 -0400 From: Harvey Koelner <ravko@ix.netcom.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <349DAC2B.59F9@ix.netcom.com> Cwhartford wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > To all my fellow Bowel Buddies, > > I've been on this diet since beginning of '95. Strictly!!!! I too have had > relapses. I have been hosptialized twice since I started this diet with > severe flare ups of ulcerative colitis. The diet has helped me, but I've > continued my search for a 'cure' as I continue eating the SCD, because > although it's helped it's not cured it. > > I've had this disease for 14 years. I've researched health for as long as I've > been sick. During my quest for my health I've shared openly and generously > with people who have bowel disease anything I come across that is of some help > to me. As I have with Elaine's Diet. I've shared it with many , many people. > I absolutely adore Elaine. Due to my support, she has spoken many times in my > hometown . They always went over very well. I too have done talks regarding > this diet and bowel disease as well. > > As my health continues to challenge me my search continues. I thought I had > turned over every stone as far as diets go. I thought Elaine's hit it right > on the head. It's made so much sense. But, I continued to suffer with flare > ups even after three years being on her diet very strictly. I have had > allergy tests done and removed those foods from my diet as well. I have been > under the care of a naturopath, etc. > > Being sick has cost me thousands of dollars, aside from how it's affected my > quality of life and relationships with friends and family. I want to healthy > so bad so I can live a normal, wonderful life like others are who are healthy. > > In June of 97, I was hospitalized again after trying to heal at homw for 5 > months and for the life of me could not understand why I couldn't get better. > Then when I got out of the hospital I could not come down on the prednisone > without having the extreme symptoms come back. I started to contemplate > surgery in Novermber because I was so sick of being sick and the side effects > of being on such high doses of steroids were just as bad as the disease > itself. > > Then my prayers were answered... > > I came across someone who had 'cured' themself from this very disease, > ulceritive colitis, and has been free of symptoms for over 8 years. > > I checked into it and found others just like him who had 'cured' themselves of > the disease as well as chron's and other bowel diseases...with no relapses and > it's been years for them. Even colon cancer!!! I was crying I was so excited > to hear this news. It's been like a message from God for me. There is light > at the end of this very dark tunnle after all. I have been inspired to have > hope again. I want to pass this on to you. > > I am for the first time since June down to 5 mgs of prednisone and in two > weeks I plan to be off completely. Previous to my switch in diet I had not > been able to reduce my dose of 60 mgs for 6 months. I feel this new path is > helping me like never before. I want to share it with those of you on this > board, but you'll have to write to me separately as It's too long to put on > this list. > > I totally support people doing Elaine's diet if it's working for them on the > level they want. But for those who are continuing to get relapses or for > those who want to 'heal and cure' their disease ...I invite you to just check > this out. > > I was going to wait a few months to share this info with you people. I wanted > to be off the prednisone and doing REALLY well, but I am getting better and > feel so much more vitality then I have in a year AND I'm getting bombarded > with e-mails from this list that people are suffering still and I feel selfish > keeping this info to myself. > > I'm exploring as you all are and feel it only supportive of me to share this > with you. I have not completely healed yet...but I am no longer feeing like > I'm going to have to face surgery. And I have been in touch with those who > have healed completely and their teaching me how to do it. That's good enough > for me to try it and pass on the good news! > > My e-mail address is cwhartford@aol.com > > I am planning on leaving this list soon as the SCD is no longer my focus at > this time. > > I wish you all the best. > > In health, Colleen What is the new diet you are on? ravko ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: R Pavley <rpavley@earthlink.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Pro-Symbioflor and Pro Symbiolact Message-ID: <199712220519.VAA25829@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Isabella - I got Symbioflor from my doctor. That's the e. coli suppliment, right? His name is Dr. W.A. Shrader and he's located in Sante Fe, New Mexico. I don't know if he would sell to someone who is not a patient, but you could check. Warning, though, I got D. from it. And that was before I was diagnosed with IBD. Becky CA At 07:34 PM 12/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Kurt Jensen wrote about his experience with Pro Symbioflor - >- Does anyone have the address of a supplier? >- Is it possible to have it mailed to the States from Germany? > >Isabella... > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:35:13 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: SEASONS GREETINGS Message-ID: <01bd0e9b$60651940$LocalHost@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD0E60.B4064140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SEASONS GREETINGS TO ONE AND ALL ON THE SCD-LIST =20 William laing ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD0E60.B4064140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black"=20 size=3D5>SEASONS GREETINGS</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black"=20 size=3D5></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black" size=3D5>TO=20 ONE AND ALL</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black"=20 size=3D5></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black"=20 size=3D5></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black" size=3D5>ON=20 THE SCD-LIST</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV align=3Dcenter><STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Arial = Black"=20 size=3D5> </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>William = laing</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD0E60.B4064140-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: R Pavley <rpavley@earthlink.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Message-ID: <199712220548.VAA06930@denmark.it.earthlink.net> Hi! I'm trying to get started on the diet. I got the Yogourmet yogurt maker. Normally I can't digest yogurt well because of the lactose, though I have done o.k. by treating it with lactase drops. I also have been using 100% lactose free milk on occassion without trouble. And before I was lactose intolerent I ate yogurt all of the time. I used the Yogourmet starter to make the 24 hour yogurt. I was able to digest it very well. However, immediately upon eating it I got a migraine headache. I am prone to these, but have not gotten one before from milk. (Though there are many other foods I do need to avoid.) Sometimes I have had a slight headache from yogurt that's been around too long, you know that last 1/2 cup at the bottom of the quart, but never a full blown migraine. I am wondering if anybody else has had this problem and what they have done about it. I am wondering if I should try to build up my yogurt intake a little at a time? Would some other type of starter be better? A different type of milk, like goat milk? I really want to try this diet, and I really would like to to able to eat this yogurt. I know from Great Smokies stool tests that I do not have any Lactobacillus acidophilus in my bowel, even after aggressive supplimentation with the acidophilus pills and powders. So yogurt seems the only way to get it back. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Becky in CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 07:16:33 -0700 From: Partridge <raparch@planet.eon.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Quoting Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971222141633.00675f44@mail.planet.eon.net> From time to time there are some lengthy letters and while it is good to reference them, it is not necessary to quote and repeat the entire letter. Often there is an entire letter quoted with a simple "thanks" added to the end. This results in us all (if we so desire ) having to print it all out again!!! As a suggestion the general rule of thumb is to first quote the document in your subject box "Re:, Reply: or Further:" then simply paraphrase a key point you want to discuss such as: >.At 09:40 PM 97:12:20 EST, Allan wrote: >..... From time to time there are some lengthy letters What lenghty letters are you talking about? It does not need a complete iteration of the originating document thus keeping our file sizes smaller and our printing less. Thank you all and also thank you for your sustanined interest and support of his group. Without this we would all feel (those with IBD and those whose leved ones have IBD) very much alone. Regards Partridges ALLAN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:18:10 -0500 From: "Deborah L. Whitmire" <dlwhitmire@mindspring.com> To: SCD List <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Cider recipes Message-ID: <349E84B2.BFB028BB@mindspring.com> I've been using 2 recipes for the holidays/winter that I thought I'd share with everyone. Spiced Cider: 1 1/2 qt. apple cider 3 c.pineapple juice 5 cinnamon sticks 6 whole cloves 10 whole allspice Combine everything & heat slowly over medium-low heat 15-20 min., stirring occasionally. Strain. Serve hot. Serves 10. Per serving: 115 calories, 0 gm. fat, o mg. cholesterol, 0gm protein, 29 gm carbohydrate, 5 mg. sodium. Second Recipe: Mulled Cider w/pineapple 8 c. apple cider 1 t. whole cloves 2 c. pineapple juice Juice of 1/2 lemon 2 T. raisins or currants 2 T. honey 1 large orange,sliced into rounds 1 lg. fresh pineapple, 2 cinnamon sticks, broken into peeled & cut into 10 pieces wedges Combine all ingredients except pineapple wedges. Simmer over medium-high heat 15 minutes. Pour into pre-warmed mugs or transfer to slow cooker set on low. Garnish each serving with pineapple wedges. Makes 10 c. Per cup: 0 gm. fat, 0 mg.cholesterol, 1 gm. protein, 52 calories, 13 gm. carbohydrate, 40 mg. sodium. Hope you enjoy! Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:30:03 -0600 From: "Jim Prousalis" <j-pro@mindspring.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: 24 Hour Yogurt and Migraine, Help Message-ID: <199712221628.LAA22027@camel8.mindspring.com> Can the yogurt be a coincidence that you had a migraine headache. I would try the diet without the yogurt for a couple of weeks and then try the yogurt. Hopefully it was a coincidence. Good Luck! Happy Holidays Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 13:26:00 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Want to heal your gut for good? Message-ID: <9712221926.AA05878@swansong.amd.com> what it that healed your gut ? ted ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #138 ***********************
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