SCD-list November 1997 SCD-list Sat, 8 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 94 In this issue: Fwd: "Patient Beware!" ... I thought this was worth passing on from another list (Roger: I hope you don't mind? I also added some paragraph dividers to make it more easily-readable, OK?) vitamins & DCCC Re: Survey: Touch Re: Survey: Touch Re: potassium supplements Re: Moira/antifungals Re: vitamins & DCCC CD and pregnancies Soil based organisms undecyclenic acid survey - touch RE: Moira/antifungals RE: potassium supplements -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:52:58 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com, "IBD-Diet Discussion List " <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Cc: Roger Yonkin <ryonkin@lightlink.com> Subject: Fwd: "Patient Beware!" ... I thought this was worth passing on from another list (Roger: I hope you don't mind? I also added some paragraph dividers to make it more easily-readable, OK?) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971107175258.006bb400@smartt.com> From: Roger Yonkin <ryonkin> Subject: surgery/hospitals Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:22:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While it may be obvious to those who have experienced the problems, it doesn't hurt to remind you that one should never go into a hospital without a loved one, or other to watch out for you. It is unfortunate that there are not classes given for those who need to watch over a patient. There is so much that goes wrong (the AMA admits that there are 10% errors in hospitals and that 6% of patients ;eave with illnesses that they did not have upon arriving.), that someone must always be questioning the treament being given. My wife just had a heart procedure at Strong Memorial Hosp. in Rochester NY. While the surgery may have been sucessfull (the verdict is not in) the care both before and after sugery was detrimental, harmfull to her and only my insistance and checking prevented more damage. Unfortunately, while I can care for another well due to my learning experiences of having been given wrong blood, wrong meds, soemone elses meds, incrrest surgery, etc. most family members just don't realize what is going on and can't ask the right questions. Often when we see a loved one suffering and hear the nurses saying, "there is always pain, etc. after this procedure", we assume there is nothing else that can be done. Note that many hospitals now have discarded the heated blanket for chemical "heat packs" a perfect example of something having gone wrong. Even thoug the substitution seems on the surface to be logical, only those who have experieced the need of immediate warmth, know the vast difference. Take Care! Roger Yonkin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:46:06 -0500 From: "Deborah L. Whitmire" <dlwhitmire@mindspring.com> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: vitamins & DCCC Message-ID: <3463D26D.F4245F6@mindspring.com> Hello all, I have been trying the diet off & on for 6 weeks now. I fell off due to some birthday & wedding celebrations that I was not strong enough to resist. But I have just split a shipment of Hughson's flour with a local friend also on the diet; and I just received some DCCC that was recommended on the list. I have doubts though about the "legality" of this DCCC. It is impossible to find here in Raleigh so I ordered it from the Seward Family, Inc. in Vermont. Here's the list of ingredients:cultured skim milk,milk,cream, salt,dextrose,guar gum,carageenan,potassium sorbate. I know the carageenan is a no-no. Anything else? Does this make this brand of DCCC unacceptable? I know others on the scd are using it. If so, can anyone tell me of another source to order from on the East Coast? Also, I went to the GNC to find some vitamins but kept running in to bad ingredients. Some I'm not sure off: talc (on the coating), alfalfa, cellulose. Can anyone recommend a good multi-vitamin or would it be easier to just buy each separately? Thanks, Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:09:32 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971107200932.006a5f84@smartt.com> At 08:44 AM 11/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dietmar, > >My son, not I has the Crohn's disease. But I would like to respond to your >survey. I have always been very physically affectionate with all (3) my >children. Only my youngest son has Crohn's. I, however, grew up in a >physically and mentally abusive environment and am healthy as a horse - thank >goodness! I also don't believe that such behavior, although learned >(obviously) during my growing up period, is necessarily "passed on". I have >tried very hard as a parent not to repeat any of the behaviors that my >parents exhibited. Of course, everyone is different and each of us deals >with situations in very different ways. I, therefore, do not discount your >theories They're not MY theories. I'm trying to see if there IS any theory that one COULD start investigating; or even pondering about based on the findings I described. Findings NOT BY ME: research at McGill University's Douglas Hospital Research Centre (a neuro-science centre) in Montreal, by Dr. Michael Meany. >but don't feel that myself or my family fit into those theories. > Interesting though and I don't think you are alone in seeing some type of >correlation. > Yes, I agree: I've often heard this pronouncement (usually by non-sufferers!) that "it's all in your head" or "just relax, you have to deal with your stress better" or "you just have a (fill the blank wity your choice of words) type of personality". So I look at all "psycho-babble" pronouncements with a jaded eye, i.e. probably not worth the paper they're printed on, more babble than gold. Still, one never knoews ... the field of humans' understanding of their bodies & their psyches is in an infant's stage, I'd say, so why not do some "rough homework", maybe we'll learn something? Dietmar >Barb > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 21:04:31 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Survey: Touch Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971107210431.006adee8@smartt.com> At 09:16 AM 11/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dietmar: > >I came from a very nuturing environment as a child. We are a very "huggy" >family. This from a family with 7 kids, that gave us alot of touch and alot >of hug. > >I feel fortunate. > >Jim > > Excellent. And some of the people on the list would agree: you ARE fortunate! Stay tuned, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 05:50:07 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: potassium supplements Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971108064749.2cc7ce5e@megamed.com> Ted, Where do you buy the Morton lite salt, or nu salt? Is it at Safeway? I found no salt substitutes at the health food store (Whole Foods). Thanks, Moira ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 05:50:10 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Moira/antifungals Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971108064751.2cc7e106@megamed.com> Dear Joan, What about fresh garlic? I was planning to cut up some fresh garlic and put it in capsules, my son is a champ at capsules. Would that be OK? Thanks, Moira > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:51:10 -0500 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: vitamins & DCCC Message-ID: <199711081753.1080900@bedford.net> > Also, I went to the GNC to find some vitamins but kept running in to bad > ingredients. Some I'm not sure off: talc (on > the coating), alfalfa, cellulose. > > Can anyone recommend a good multi-vitamin or would it be easier to just > buy each separately? > GNC is the problem. The quality of GNC products are on par with the huge national vitamin marketers. I once took a tour of a portapotty facility. The owner one day decided to start collecting vitamins. Talk about a huge pile, and some of the pills you could clearly read the imprinting! Centrum, One-a-day, they are all a marketing rip off and they are very low potency -- most only provide 100% of the RDA, which is outdated, and is not even enough to come close to a leaky gut sufferer's needs. If I had to recommend mainstream, easily available supplements, I would go with Schiff, Twinlab, or Nature's Way (a twinlab company also, I believe). Almost all major drug stores carry at least some of these brands, and most of their products are OK on the SCD. The options are limitless on mail order -- Freeda does seem to be a reputable company, and their multi-vitamin formulas seem OK -- http://www.imall.com/stores/freeda/. Personally, I prefer a capsule -- they can be made without fillers and binders and you know that they are getting dissolved -- of course there's no guarantee that they are actually being absorbed. Hope this helps, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: CD and pregnancies Message-ID: <971108143851_-2111642000@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Hello. This message, apparently, is for the women who were pregnant while having Crohn's disease. My question is this: Did you find that during the time of your pregnancy(ies) your symptoms were better, worse, or the same? I found so far that those women who were pregnant had no CD symptoms what so ever and never felt better -- until after giving birth. One of my doctors told me that it can go both ways : he had patients who did well and also did worse during their pregnancy. The reason why this came up is because I needed new prescriptions for birth control pills. He advised me not to take them for at least 6 months to see what happens. It's been 2 months or so since I last took them, and I don't know if my symptoms have been bad from the disease itself, from the pills or lack of the pills. And now that I am feeling better I don't know for sure if it's from not taking the pills or from the diet and supplemets ((well, definately the diet, but you know what I mean). Since the Pill mimicks pregnancy (tricks the body in thinking it's pregnant), is it the same as being pregnant? And, is anyone taking the Pill and feels a difference? Or were pregnant and then went on the Pill? This is a dilema that has kept me wondering for weeks. Any thoughts? Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:41:10 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Soil based organisms Message-ID: <971108144110_378000753@mrin79> Moira, What are Soil Bases Organisms? (Pro Biotics) And where can they be purchased form? Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: undecyclenic acid Message-ID: <971108162029_243626384@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Moira - The undecyclenic acid product is by Thorne (Formula SF722). you may get it thru needs. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: survey - touch Message-ID: <971108162328_-1878892526@mrin39> yes, i was touched GOOD. i remember being rolled over and my mom used to pull my pants down and kiss my butt! sometimes she did this a few times in a row. my parents were very loving parents. always hugging. my whole family is that way. we're italians! Joan it just goes to prove you CANNOT, whether anyone wants to look for other excuses or not, continually bombard the immune system with antibiotics and the like and get away with it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:14:23 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Moira/antifungals Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E3C@LOGIXMAIL> Moira, I just read today an incredible article by Dr. David Williams (Vol 7, No,4 Oct '97) saying how incredibly powerful fresh raw garlic is to treat candida. He says to get the freshest organic garlic the stronger and more pungent the better) you can find at a health food store and then eat four or five large raw cloves per day for a couple of weeks. He says after 3 or 4 days it is no unusual for people to have a couple of very large BMs with spaghetti like yeast organisms visible in the stool, says these are yeast colonies. After a couple of weeks one can then taper off and stop using the garlic. Obviously, getting your son (or me or many others) to eat raw cloves of garlic could be a real pain but you may be on to something about putting it in caps. Lot cheaper than Kyolic Liquid Garlic and perhaps far more effective! This was in his newsletter, "Alternatives" published monthly by Mountain Homes Publishing at 1201 Seven Locks Road, Rockville, MD. 20854. Or call 800-527-3044. He also highly recommends Citricidal, a brand of grapefruit sees extract for candida etc. Can be found in any good health food store in either liquid, tablets or capsules. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 6:50 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Moira/antifungals > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Joan, > > What about fresh garlic? I was planning to cut up some fresh garlic > and put > it in capsules, my son is a champ at capsules. Would that be OK? > > Thanks, > > Moira > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:14:21 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: potassium supplements Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E3B@LOGIXMAIL> Personally, I would not stop using regular salt. NaCl (salt) is a necessary nutrient for a variety of reasons, one of which is that the Chloride is used for producing the Hydrocloric Acid we use to digest protiens in our stomach. Sodium is also a very important electrolyte used in many ways in our body. Potassium supplements are widely available and should not replace our use of salt. This salt replacement idea comes from the now well debunked idea that salt causes hypertension. The salt scare is still widely believed though, just like the cholesterol and low fat scare. Often, it seems to me, we are well served by listening to what the media and MD's say, and then promptly doing the opposite. At least until they come back around years later and say that newer research shows they were wrong. Happens all the time. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 6:50 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: potassium supplements > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ted, > > Where do you buy the Morton lite salt, or nu salt? Is it at Safeway? I > found > no salt substitutes at the health food store (Whole Foods). > > Thanks, > > Moira ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #94 ********************** SCD-list Sun, 9 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 95 In this issue: Re: potassium supplements cooking potatoes in pot w/ beef Re: ALMOND FLOUR IN SF Yogurt in Double Boiler Dr. Stephen Holland's IBD Page RE: potassium supplements Touch Survey result Re: Yogurt in Double Boiler Virus Alert Virus Alert Re: Virus Alert Holiday foods Re: Virus Alert Re: Virus Alert Re: East Indian food= subscribe -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:18:39 -0500 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: potassium supplements Message-ID: <199711090126.1146000@bedford.net> ---------- > From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> > Personally, I would not stop using regular salt. NaCl (salt) is a > necessary nutrient for a variety of reasons, one of which is that the > Chloride is used for producing the Hydrocloric Acid we use to digest > protiens in our stomach. Sodium is also a very important electrolyte > used in many ways in our body. > Personally, I would stop using regular salt and switch to a real, natural salt. Salt you buy in the supermarkets is not thing less that a purified waste product. Some people will go as far as to say that iodized salt is a poison. Right now I'm using a product called Real Salt which is "harvested" from some sea somewhere. A variety of naturally occurring minerals are in it, and the taste is so much better than regular iodized salt. I haven't touched iodized salt for years now, and probably never will. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 19:12:42 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) Subject: cooking potatoes in pot w/ beef Message-ID: <9711090212.AA68148@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi group, My wife came up with a good question and she was wondering if anyone might be able to anwser it. Is it ok for her to include potatoes in the pot along with carrots and beef (or chicken) ? Of course I won't be eating the potatoes, but she will. Is it still ok for me to have the broth (juices) in the pot, or is it possible that the starch from the potatoes remains in the broth ? Same goes for a chicken and rice casserole (no rice for me) ? If anyone talks to Elaine, can you bring this one up ! Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:53:40 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: ALMOND FLOUR IN SF Message-ID: <l03110703b08ad49cfb12@[206.40.74.53]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Steve, thanks for your comments re the almond flour and the DCCC. I don't get my DCCC from Country Cheese Co. because I live in Marin, not SF and Whole Foods, which is just 3 miles from my house, has the wonderful Friendship Farmer's Dry Curd Cottage Cheese with less than 1/2 of 1% lactose in it...that's what I buy. I get 1/2 of a loaf of it; one loaf is 3 # in weight; and get it individually wrapped in .50# portions to use in my cheesecake and yogurt for breakfast. This cheese is just beautiful and very clean tasting and feeling to my guts. Highly recommended. Also, Elaine gives this particular brand in the book! I found it in Andronico's last week also, but it was more expensive. It is $4.49# at Whole Foods...that, too is expensive, huh? Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:57:38 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt in Double Boiler Message-ID: <l03110704b08ad64f6145@[206.40.74.53]> I recently boiled the milk in a make-shift double boiler, using medium high heat as someone (Lucy?) suggested, with the top on the pot, and checking periodically for stirring. The 1 gallon of yogurt that I am eating is the best I've ever made. It seems, that either the lower heat or the double boiler makes it less tart. Anyone have an idea? It is so creamy and smoooooooth. Think I'll be making it more often, because I can't stop eating it!!!! It's like dessert. Yaaaay. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:01:19 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com, "IBD-Diet Discussion List " <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Subject: Dr. Stephen Holland's IBD Page Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971108190119.006a9a3c@smartt.com> I checked his website today, just for kicks (he had a spelling error in the last copy I downloaded, I wanted to check if he'd caught it yet!), and noticed he has changed it quite a bit since I last looked (about 5 months ago). For those of you now familiar with Dr. H.: he's an MD who's been a bit of a "thorn in the side" of the SCD / alternative IBD folks like us because of his "orthodox / anti-alternative" stance. However, you gotta give the guy credit for trying, I figure. If YOU feel like having a peek at his current site (lots of links, too, incl. one to a Hispanic IBD group), its at http://ibdpage.uicomp.uic.edu/ Best wishes for a good weekend, ("Touch Survey" results coming up: I'm re-examining the replies because some of them were unclear to me as to which category I should put them under), Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:36:03 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: potassium supplements Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E40@LOGIXMAIL> Good point Bill. Been using Sea Salt for many years as well. It is a much better product. In fact I have read where they regularly add sugar to iodized salt. Not good for SCDers. I should have mentioned this in my post but slipped my mind. Thanks. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Miller [SMTP:miller@bedford.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 6:19 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: potassium supplements > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- > > From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> > > > Personally, I would not stop using regular salt. NaCl (salt) is a > > necessary nutrient for a variety of reasons, one of which is that > the > > Chloride is used for producing the Hydrocloric Acid we use to digest > > protiens in our stomach. Sodium is also a very important > electrolyte > > used in many ways in our body. > > > Personally, I would stop using regular salt and switch to a real, > natural > salt. Salt you buy in the supermarkets is not thing less that a > purified > waste product. Some people will go as far as to say that iodized salt > is a > poison. Right now I'm using a product called Real Salt which is > "harvested" from some sea somewhere. A variety of naturally occurring > minerals are in it, and the taste is so much better than regular > iodized > salt. I haven't touched iodized salt for years now, and probably > never > will. > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:00:59 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com, "IBD-Diet Discussion List " <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Subject: Touch Survey result Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971108210059.006c7db4@smartt.com> Hi, Folks! It's Saturday night my time (west coast of Canada), I'm listening to "oldies" music (right now, Paul Anka's singing that he's "Livin' Right Next Door to an Angel"!), and feeling great. I'm also feeling great about the response to this survey ... the question really struck a chord with you! It was a pleasure to read all your responses (public OR private! oops! mistakes DO happen) and to respond to most of you personally. Seems like this topic really entices people to come out of the woodwork, so that's good. I know that if I'm in a social setting I seldom tell people any more that I'm a massage therapist ... the topic draws a gathering like flies to honey; I've concluded that in our culuture (and maybe MOST of the world's "civilized" cultures) most people are "good touch" deprived. Now, the results. I had to invent a middle category to meet the responses (live & learn!), one I called "low-touch with emotional/physical abuse" in order to more-correctly allocate other "low-touch" responses which did not have an "abuse" factor with it. Also, I had to make some "half-and-half" allocations to accurately reflect what people told me about their "touch histories", when they could not be honestly put into one simple category. So, of 14 responses ... - 6 1/2 reported growing up in a pleasant "high-good-touch" family environment - 1 (actually 2 x 1/2) reported growing up with "low-touch phys/emot abuse" - 7 1/2 reported having a "low-touch" neutral / cool emotions environment NO physical abuse (There were 2 people who submitted duplicate responses from diff. e-mail addresses, which I "sorted out" and caught ... sorry!) Based on that result, what do YOU think? IS our IBD "all in our heads" brought on by a bad psychological surrounding in our childhood? Or does it have an actual physical (bacterial / cellular?) cause? YOU be the judge! Send your comments to the list, I'm sure people have something to say (as long as we eventually get back on the "SCD track" before someone gets upset!)? With many thanks, I'm really please that you all participated. Ain't life grand? Until next time, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:42:46 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogurt in Double Boiler Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971108204246.006a56c4@smartt.com> At 06:57 PM 11/8/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I recently boiled the milk in a make-shift double boiler, using medium high >heat as someone (Lucy?) suggested, with the top on the pot, and checking >periodically for stirring. The 1 gallon of yogurt that I am eating is the >best I've ever made. It seems, that either the lower heat or the double >boiler makes it less tart. Anyone have an idea? It is so creamy and >smoooooooth. Think I'll be making it more often, because I can't stop >eating it!!!! It's like dessert. Yaaaay. > >Prateeksha > > Do you eat "mango lhasi"? I had that recently in an E. Indian restaurant along with Chicken Pakoora with a spinach puree and a cilantro (???) chutney, pretty enjoyable and actually quite reasonable. ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:07:03 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: Virus Alert Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971108210703.006c8bc0@smartt.com> X-Sender: bluhrshu@netcom.ca Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:04:34 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Tyler <tyler@aurex.com> Subject: Virus on the net WARNING!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this letterout to as many people you can....this is a new virus and not many people know about it! This message was received this morning from IBM, and the Army National Guard, please share it with anyone that might access the Internet. Tyler ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:48:29 -0500 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Virus Alert Message-ID: <199711090048_MC2-277A-1EFE@compuserve.com> You can't receive a virus from opening Email. This sort of thing is a bi= g joke that goes around from company to company. Someone out there is laughing pretty hard. = Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 01:36:58 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971109013658.006aff90@smartt.com> At 12:48 AM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >You can't receive a virus from opening Email. This sort of thing is a big >joke that goes around from company to company. Someone out there is >laughing pretty hard. > >Laurie > > Well, that's what I've always heard, too. Except that I know this guy, we do business with him, and I don't believe he'd pull a joke like this unless by some weird happenstance he'd suddenly gone insane, he's not that kind of guy. Well, I guess I / we shall find out! Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:31:01 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Holiday foods Message-ID: <199711091921.LAA29588@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> All, With the holiday season upon us, I 've been thinking about the foods we ordinarily eat at this time of year. Having been on the diet for about 5 months, this will be the first holiday season that our diet has been at all restricted. The thing that actually prompted this message will probably not be much concern to many on the list. However, those who hail from south of the Mason/Dixon line (as do I) may have already been wondering about this item. The food I am referring to is blackeyed peas. They are good at any time of year, but are especially important at new year's. Supposedly, you need to eat them to bring good luck in the comming 12 months. Now I know it's just a superstition, but it's one I have always enjoyed... especially since I live outside of the south. Whenever we have people over at new year's, I make sure they get their dose. The next thing is cranberry sauce. does anyone have a killer recipe for SCD cranberry sauce? My guess is: yes. Maybe you would like to share it. Next item: Stuffing. I'm figuring that almond bread would probably do nicely. Has any one tried it? Yam's seems like an easy one. Mashed butternut squash should fill the gap quite well. And now, after all those questions here's one suggestion. In Texas it was always tradition at my house to have parched pecans. If you try this, it may become tradition at yours. Melt a half a stick of butter, put pecans into pan and ,coat them with butter add salt to taste, Spread pecans on a cookie sheet, and put them into the oven on high. cook them until they are dark and toasty. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:21:38 +0100 From: Kristine Vaernholt <dko3700@vip.cybercity.dk> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <34662962.53C8@vip.cybercity.dk> Well - actually you can and you cann't... It depends on your mail-service. If you use Microsoft Mail - you CAN actually receive a sort of virus. Microsoft Mail uses Word as the Mail editor, and it's possible to write macro's that are executed the moment the document is opened. But this requires both the sender and receiver to use intergrated Microsoft Mail service. It is also possible that an attached word document can have a "macro-" virus, which is activated when the document is opened with a MSWord editor. "Pure" e-mail's dont carry viruses. Durring installation of the different mail services you have different options you can select /deselect to prevent macro's from being executed automaticly. Kris ;-> painsolv@smartt.com wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 12:48 AM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >You can't receive a virus from opening Email. This sort of thing is a big > >joke that goes around from company to company. Someone out there is > >laughing pretty hard. > > > >Laurie > > > > > > Well, that's what I've always heard, too. Except that I know this guy, we > do business with him, and I don't believe he'd pull a joke like this unless > by some weird happenstance he'd suddenly gone insane, he's not that kind of > guy. Well, I guess I / we shall find out! > > Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <971109163445_-489790149@mrin44.mail.aol.com> One cannot get a virus by opening email. Viruses can only be contained in attachments to e-mail messages. If ever you recieve an e-mail with attachment from someone you do not know, DO NOT open the attachment. If ever you recieve an e-mail from anyone with an attachment that has an extension of ".exe", DO NOT open the attachment. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:58:43 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: East Indian food= Message-ID: <l03110702b08be1aa2e0f@[206.40.74.35]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST I'm shocked that all the ingredients were "okay" in these. No grains in the pakooras? Prateeksha >> > >Do you eat "mango lhasi"? I had that recently in an E. Indian restaurant >along with Chicken Pakoora with a spinach puree and a cilantro (???) >chutney, pretty enjoyable and actually quite reasonable. > > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ > > "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." > - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:10:39 +0000 From: ka_bart_cmt@juno.com (Karen A Bartlett) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <19971109.181039.9958.0.ka_bart_cmt@juno.com> Hi, My name is Karen and I have known that I have Crohn's Disease for the last three years. I found out I had Chron's after I had exploritory surgery. My intestines had collapsed. They removed a foot of colon and a foot of intestine. I hoped that I wouldn't have any more problems, but that was not so. I went on and off medication until Oct '96. From Oct '96 till Oct '97 I was on a small dose of predisone. I am off predisone but still taking imuran. My dad who is retired found out about the SCD in April '97 and I have been on the diet since April 27. I feel like a new person even though I am not sympton free. I have no problem staying on this diet, because I know how I felt before. My dad has given me all the corespondence every day since April because I did not have a computer at home. I have now purchased a computer and would like to be a subscriber. I not only feel much better, but as a side effect I have lost 70 lbs. ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #95 ********************** SCD-list Mon, 10 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 96 In this issue: Re: Virus Alert Virus hoax? Re: East Indian food= Re: subscribe Crohn's and pregnancy Aloe Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Re: Virus Alert Re: Aloe Re: subscribe Yogurt question RE: potassium supplements Re: East Indian food= Re: subscribe Re: potassium supplements Re: East Indian food= Re: cooking potatoes in pot w/ beef Touch Survey result: re-sent: apparently the longisland.com server's been down, so here goes for the 3rd try! Re: Virus Alert Re: East Indian food= Holiday visit to Texas Touch survey: missing reply -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:25:35 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971109162535.006bda2c@smartt.com> At 04:34 PM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >One cannot get a virus by opening email. Viruses can only be contained in >attachments to e-mail messages. If ever you recieve an e-mail with >attachment from someone you do not know, DO NOT open the attachment. > >If ever you recieve an e-mail from anyone with an attachment that has an >extension of ".exe", DO NOT open the attachment. > > OK, thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:37:59 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com, "IBD-Diet Discussion List " <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Subject: Virus hoax? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971109163759.006ba550@smartt.com> Hi, SCD'ers: It seems I & others were duped by the fake "virus warning" ... because of the source the message came from to me, I fully believed it to be true. He has since written me that HE got taken for a fool (apparently he's even more computer il-literate than myself, and more than I had presumed! silly me). Since sending you that erroneous message, I've received AMPLE feedback (thank you, you'all can stop now! I get the point!). ;-) And I've also received a very clear - detailed - useful e-mail on this topic from a non-SCD'er; I decided to share it with you in case you also find it useful ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ X-Sender: (deleted) To: painsolv@smartt.com From: (deleted) Subject: Re: Virus Alert Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:08:09 -0800 Hi Dietmar, You've been hoaxed. A good source for information on viruses is Rob Rosenberger's website: http://kumite.com/myths/myths/ Many myths have surfaced about the threat of computer "viruses." There are myths about how widespread they are, how dangerous they are, and even myths about what a computer virus really is. The first thing you need to know is that a computer virus falls in the realm of malicious programming techniques known as "Trojan horses." All viruses are Trojan horses, but relatively few Trojan horses can be called a virus. Further information can be found at IBM's Antivirus online: http://198.4.83.197/current/FrontPage/ For further information on viruses and hoaxes: http://www.av.ibm.com/BreakingNews/HypeAlert/Crew/ http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.html http://mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Info/virus-hoax.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/9991/chainmail.html http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html ____________________________ Trevor (deleted) Mensa (deleted) "The heart may conceive and the head devise in vain if the hand be not prompt to execute the design" http://users.uniserve.com/(deleted) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:42:18 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: East Indian food= Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971109164218.006bb53c@smartt.com> At 01:58 PM 11/9/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST > >I'm shocked that all the ingredients were "okay" in these. > Chicken, spinach, salad, yoghurt, mango ... seemed alright to me. I enjoyed it & seemed to have no ill effects. >No grains in the pakooras? > "Pakooras" (as far as I'm familiar witht he word) is a manner of marinating & spicing the meat (in my meal, chicken) ... sounds like it means something different to you. Maybe yo're confusing them with "samosas"? >Prateeksha > > > >>> >> >>Do you eat "mango lhasi"? I had that recently in an E. Indian restaurant >>along with Chicken Pakoora with a spinach puree and a cilantro (???) >>chutney, pretty enjoyable and actually quite reasonable. >> >> >> >> ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >> D. Hartl RMT >> >> Specialist in: >> Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions >> White Rock, British Columbia >> ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ >> >> "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." >> - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <971109215750_1936814438@mrin83.mail.aol.com> Karen, What a wonderful story! Sounds like you and your dad are very close. Did you know anyone else on the diet or have you been going it totally alone? Do you eat all the scd foods or do you have problems with some part of the diet? You've been on it longer than me (about 1 month). Also, are you from the Boston area? Where do you buy the DCCC? Sorry so many questions, but welcome to the group and I'm interested in your experiences with the diet. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <971109223744_1737108070@mrin40.mail.aol.com> Hi. I sent an e-mail the other day regarding the effects of pregnancy on Crohn's. Somehow I did not receive the digested SCD list yesterday like I do every evening. I received today's, but did not see my letter, nor any replies. I don't know if it went through, or if it did but did not receive the list that included it. If anyone happened to read it and sent any imput....I never received it. If you did, can you please mail me a copy to my own e-mail (PI5DA@AOL.COM) in case I don't get the digested list again? Again, my question was if anyone who was pregnant while having Crohn's seen any imrovement in their condition, or increased problems, or no change at all? My doctor told me that his patients fared either way, and recommended I stay off the Pill to see if there is any change in my symtoms. If the Pill tricks the body into thinking it's pregnant, is it the same as being pregnant? And if those that fared well during pregnancy could have similar results on the Pill? Just curious.... Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Aloe Message-ID: <971109224100_-2009287367@mrin54.mail.aol.com> Hi, I read many articles that Aloe juice is great at healing the intestines and so on. However, Elaine told me via fax that aloe is a NO-NO. She did not say why. Do any of you know? I have been drinking some lately -- prime quality though. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:36:18 -0600 From: Jan Ashby <ja60802@navix.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <34668F42.3982@navix.net> PI5DA@aol.com wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Again, my question was if anyone who was pregnant while having Crohn's seen > any imrovement in their condition, or increased problems, or no change at > all? > My doctor told me that his patients fared either way, and recommended I stay > off the Pill to see if there is any change in my symtoms. If the Pill tricks > the body into thinking it's pregnant, is it the same as being pregnant? And > if those that fared well during pregnancy could have similar results on the > Pill? > > Just curious.... > Simone Simone - my Little Sis Karen is 30, was diagnosed with Crohn's at 18 and has 2 children, ages 9 and 6 months. Each time she was pregnant her Crohn's stayed the same during pregnancy, but about 2 to 3 weeks after birth, she experienced her worst flare-ups of all. She just started the SCD, so I don't know if this would have made any difference in the flare-ups. She has stayed off the Pill since her first child and uses diaphragms. After her first birth she had surgery to repair major colon damage and fistulas that developed during the last months of pregnancy. Thankfully, that did not happen with the last child. Sorry I'm not very optimistic, but I think the SCD diet would make a world of difference. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 0:15:48 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <9711100715.AA117334@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Dietmar and anyone else wondering about this, > WARNING!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" Responses on this from Laurie, Kris, and Denali321 (Jim?) were all correct. This has already been determined to be a hoax (I first saw this message 2-3 months ago). I work in the computing services area for the University of Calgary. In the office next to me sits the manager of network services, and he is the one who personally looks into SPAM mail, hackers and viruses. He made it quite clear that this was a joke started by someone. Hope this settles the matter. Thanks...Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:20:51 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Aloe Message-ID: <34675082.DD162DDF@snet.net> i too have been drinking aloe vera juiceoff and on for last 10 years. I make sure it contains no carageenan, as some of the products/brands do. Lily of the desert brand is the one i use most often. i.ve used gel and juice types. Does it help? I'm not sure, but i like to think so. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: JARN3000@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <971110121040_-557078624@mrin39> Message for Jane -- If you are in the Boston area, you can get Friendship Brand Farmer's cheese (DCCC) at Stop and Shop in the dairy dept, near the sour cream, etc. In small plastic-wrapped packages. Also at Roche Bros, they have a more expensive version of Farmer's cheese in their gourmet cheese case. This is usually various sizes of cut-up pieces in clear plastic containers. Don't remember the cost per lb, but it is more than Stop&Shop. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:33:55 -0500 From: kssm@pojonews.infi.net To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt question Message-ID: <34674583.1318@pojonews.infi.net> Hello All: I have just started making yogurt and thanks to all of your suggestions it is coming out great!!! I just have one question - Are there ANY carbohydrates (perhaps glucose or galactose) left in the yogurt after the 24 - 36 hour fermentation? Thank you for ALL your help and support. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:58:27 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: potassium supplements Message-ID: <9711101758.AA20106@swansong.amd.com> the idea is to get some extra potassium not avoid salt, although if you eat prepared foods, you are probaly getting plenty of regular salt (check your labels) ted ----- Begin Included Message ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Personally, I would not stop using regular salt. > Subject: Re: potassium supplements > ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:08:49 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: East Indian food= Message-ID: <l03110701b08cfd97c3a1@[206.40.74.54]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST Do you think they ferment their yogurt 24 hours? Prateeksha >> >>I'm shocked that all the ingredients were "okay" in these. >> > >Chicken, spinach, salad, yoghurt, mango ... seemed alright to me. I >enjoyed it & seemed to have no ill effects. > > > > > >>No grains in the pakooras? >> > >"Pakooras" (as far as I'm familiar witht he word) is a manner of marinating >& spicing the meat (in my meal, chicken) ... sounds like it means something >different to you. Maybe yo're confusing them with "samosas"? > > >>Prateeksha >> >> >> >>>> >>> >>>Do you eat "mango lhasi"? I had that recently in an E. Indian restaurant >>>along with Chicken Pakoora with a spinach puree and a cilantro (???) >>>chutney, pretty enjoyable and actually quite reasonable. >>> >>> >>> >>> ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >>> D. Hartl RMT >>> >>> Specialist in: >>> Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions >>> White Rock, British Columbia >>> ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ >>> >>> "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." >>> - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:13:50 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: subscribe Message-ID: <971110131349_1592517244@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Thanks Julie, I guess I'm just confused from other posts I've read. I've looked at the Friendship farmer's cheese and thought it looked a lot more moist (and I thought that was bad) than the dry curd that I get from Seward's in Vermont (which was recommended in the book and really looks like dry curd). But Sewards' has many other questionable ingredients. I guess I'll try the Friendship since I can buy it locally. I know some of you are probably sick of hearing about the dry curd dilemma, but I'm still not 100% on this thing because there seem to be contradictions. Thanks again, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:53:10 CST From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: potassium supplements Message-ID: <9711101753.AA20102@swansong.amd.com> Moira i get these brands at H.E.B (a texas food store chain) i have found either the same brands or similar at WalMart. I suprised that it's not at Whole Foods, since established medicine fears salt so much that they advise their hypertensive patients to avoid excess salt or salt entirely. ted ----- Begin Included Message ----- Ted, Where do you buy the Morton lite salt, or nu salt? Is it at Safeway? I found no salt substitutes at the health food store (Whole Foods). Thanks, Moira ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:04:08 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: East Indian food= Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971110130408.006aed6c@smartt.com> At 10:08 AM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST > > >Do you think they ferment their yogurt 24 hours? > > I've never asked ... probably commercial kind. I was talking with Mik last week, (he's an Africa-phile & goes there lots, presumably for his job with Danish radio?) and he said that Africans eat many fermented foods. (although he added the wry observation how could any food NOT end up being fermented there!) Something I didnt' know; interesting. Because they hardly have IBD (they harve starvation from overpopulation, though, but that's another story): usually one thinks "that's because they eat basic, non-industrical foods", but maybe that's NOT the reason, and instead it's their high intake of FERMENTED foods? I wonder how one could check that out ... hey, how come we don't have any black folks or Africans on this list (yeah, I know they can't afford Net service ... but I'm sure we must have some African 's whiz-kind son luring ? in our midst somewhere?) Whereever you are, come on out, we're listening, if you're there, tell us about fermented food on the subcontinent? > >Prateeksha > > > >>> >>>I'm shocked that all the ingredients were "okay" in these. >>> >> >>Chicken, spinach, salad, yoghurt, mango ... seemed alright to me. I >>enjoyed it & seemed to have no ill effects. >> >> >> >> >> >>>No grains in the pakooras? >>> >> >>"Pakooras" (as far as I'm familiar witht he word) is a manner of marinating >>& spicing the meat (in my meal, chicken) ... sounds like it means something >>different to you. Maybe yo're confusing them with "samosas"? >> >> >>>Prateeksha >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>Do you eat "mango lhasi"? I had that recently in an E. Indian restaurant >>>>along with Chicken Pakoora with a spinach puree and a cilantro (???) >>>>chutney, pretty enjoyable and actually quite reasonable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >>>> D. Hartl RMT >>>> >>>> Specialist in: >>>> Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions >>>> White Rock, British Columbia >>>> ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ >>>> >>>> "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." >>>> - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:44:23 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cooking potatoes in pot w/ beef Message-ID: <19971110.134427.10382.1.rosset@juno.com> Dan, I haven't talked to Elaine about your question, but I think I know what her answer would be. I would recommend that your wife cook the rice or potatoes separately, and add them later to her serving only. On Sat, 8 Nov 97 19:12:42 MST "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi group, > >My wife came up with a good question and she was wondering >if anyone might be able to anwser it. > >Is it ok for her to include potatoes in the pot along with >carrots and beef (or chicken) ? Of course I won't be eating >the potatoes, but she will. > >Is it still ok for me to have the broth (juices) in the pot, >or is it possible that the starch from the potatoes remains >in the broth ? > >Same goes for a chicken and rice casserole (no rice for me) ? > >If anyone talks to Elaine, can you bring this one up ! > >Thanks... Dan. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:46:18 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Touch Survey result: re-sent: apparently the longisland.com server's been down, so here goes for the 3rd try! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971110134618.006b2154@smartt.com> -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Folks! It's Saturday night my time (west coast of Canada), I'm listening to "oldies" music (right now, Paul Anka's singing that he's "Livin' Right Next Door to an Angel"!), and feeling great. I'm also feeling great about the response to this survey ... the question really struck a chord with you! It was a pleasure to read all your responses (public OR private! oops! mistakes DO happen) and to respond to most of you personally. Seems like this topic really entices people to come out of the woodwork, so that's good. I know that if I'm in a social setting I seldom tell people any more that I'm a massage therapist ... the topic draws a gathering like flies to honey; I've concluded that in our culuture (and maybe MOST of the world's "civilized" cultures) most people are "good touch" deprived. Now, the results. I had to invent a middle category to meet the responses (live & learn!), one I called "low-touch with emotional/physical abuse" in order to more-correctly allocate other "low-touch" responses which did not have an "abuse" factor with it. Also, I had to make some "half-and-half" allocations to accurately reflect what people told me about their "touch histories", when they could not be honestly put into one simple category. So, of 14 responses ... - 6 1/2 reported growing up in a pleasant "high-good-touch" family environment - 1 (actually 2 x 1/2) reported growing up with "low-touch phys/emot abuse" - 7 1/2 reported having a "low-touch" neutral / cool emotions environment NO physical abuse (There were 2 people who submitted duplicate responses from diff. e-mail addresses, which I "sorted out" and caught ... sorry!) Based on that result, what do YOU think? IS our IBD "all in our heads" brought on by a bad psychological surrounding in our childhood? Or does it have an actual physical (bacterial / cellular?) cause? YOU be the judge! Send your comments to the list, I'm sure people have something to say (as long as we eventually get back on the "SCD track" before someone gets upset!)? With many thanks, I'm really please that you all participated. Ain't life grand? Until next time, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:19:41 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971110141941.006b0710@smartt.com> At 12:15 AM 11/10/97 MST, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Dietmar and anyone else wondering about this, > >> WARNING!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" > >Responses on this from Laurie, Kris, and Denali321 (Jim?) >were all correct. > >This has already been determined to be a hoax (I first saw >this message 2-3 months ago). I work in the computing services >area for the University of Calgary. In the office next to me >sits the manager of network services, and he is the one who >personally looks into SPAM mail, hackers and viruses. He >made it quite clear that this was a joke started by someone. > >Hope this settles the matter. > >Thanks...Dan. > > Yep, me too. I suggest we shoot these *ssholes. Except I haven't figured out yet how! (Any ideas WHY such people do this stuff? Are they mental midgets & get a giant laugh out of imagining all the folks they're jerking around? Social misfits & emotional deserts? Or what? Now if STALIN were still around, I'm sure we'd get these people sorted out darn quick! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:18:00 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: East Indian food= Message-ID: <l03110701b08d464639d5@[206.40.74.44]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- Pakooras/samosas...yes, I was confusing the two; the latter definitely has grain in the dough that covers the veggies...ummm, they surely were delicious, those samosas my aya used to make for me in India. Prateeksha >>SCD MAILING LIST > > >Do you think they ferment their yogurt 24 hours? > > > >Prateeksha > > > >>> >>>I'm shocked that all the ingredients were "okay" in these. >>> >> >>Chicken, spinach, salad, yoghurt, mango ... seemed alright to me. I >>enjoyed it & seemed to have no ill effects. >> >> >> >> >> >>>No grains in the pakooras? >>> >> >>"Pakooras" (as far as I'm familiar witht he word) is a manner of marinating >>& spicing the meat (in my meal, chicken) ... sounds like it means something >>different to you. Maybe yo're confusing them with "samosas"? >> >> >>>Prateeksha >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>Do you eat "mango lhasi"? I had that recently in an E. Indian restaurant >>>>along with Chicken Pakoora with a spinach puree and a cilantro (???) >>>>chutney, pretty enjoyable and actually quite reasonable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >>>> D. Hartl RMT >>>> >>>> Specialist in: >>>> Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions >>>> White Rock, British Columbia >>>> ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ >>>> >>>> "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." >>>> - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:24:13 -0800 From: Prateeksha Bogardus <prateeksha@infoasis.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Holiday visit to Texas Message-ID: <l03110703b08d47b28f39@[206.40.74.44]> Hi Everyone, I'm visiting family in Dallas-Ft. Worth area during Christmas holidays and am wondering if there is anyone on the SCD list who lives in that area and can tell me if you are able to find DCCC there and where if so. Thanks, Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:59:06 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com, "IBD-Diet Discussion List " <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Subject: Touch survey: missing reply Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971110155906.006d3590@smartt.com> Hi, list members: There was someone who sent me a long-ish reply, and to whom I replied "I'll read it & reply more fully later". Could that person please let me know who it was, so I can find that piece of e-mail & reply to her? Thanks, Dietmar PS: The count is now 6.5 "high good touch", 1 "abuse with low touch" and 8.5 with "low good touch but no abuse" ... it sure would be nice if more of the "silent majority" on the list would voice their opinions, so thanks to that one who has since participated! Everyone's welcome here (I think!). ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ "We can agree on one thing: we don't agree on everything." - Simone in Florida, USA <PI5da@aol.com> ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #96 ********************** SCD-list Tue, 11 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 97 In this issue: Re: Aloe Re: Yogurt question Re: Aloe nausea Oil of Oregano Pro-Symbioflor Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Re: East Indian food= RE: nausea Welcome to SCD-list Re: nausea Several questions and a bit of (belated) info -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Aloe Message-ID: <m0xV4jY-003KhAC@iaw.on.ca> Simone, I was considering using aloe vera myself, but the brand that I was looking at listed polysaccharides as one of the ingredients, which means it is definitely not allowed on the SCD. I'm not sure if all aloe would be the same. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:03:14 -0500 (EST) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogurt question Message-ID: <m0xV4ja-003KgXC@iaw.on.ca> Pearl, There are carbohydrates left in the fermented yogurt and I think you are right that they are glucose and galactose. At least I'm pretty sure that is what lactose breaks down into. If anyone knows differently please correct me. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:01:06 -0500 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Aloe Message-ID: <3467AE52.436D@mail.fwi.com> The aloe question has come up before and we asked Elaine about it. She says it contains anthraquinone. That is the part of epson salts that makes you go to the bathroom. From what I remember of the previous discussion, there are forms of aloe where attempts have been made to remove this substance, but even in this case it is not recommended. John jeff goldschlager wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > i too have been drinking aloe vera juiceoff and on for last 10 years. I > make sure it contains no carageenan, as some of the products/brands do. > Lily of the desert brand is the one i use most often. i.ve used gel and > juice types. > > Does it help? I'm not sure, but i like to think so. > > jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: nausea Message-ID: <971110225910_86298721@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Pat, I think I remember you talking about having a lot of nausea. I would like to ask you a question, or anyone else who might know, for a friend of mine. About 3 months ago he thought he had the flu and felt nauseous. Well he never got over the nausea and has had endless tests done that all came out negative. He says he hears and feels his stomach making lots of noise but he doesn't have any diarrhea, just degrees of nausea. Any ideas or do you want to speculate? I thought someone sent you a remedy that sounded good but I forgot what it was. I know about ginger, but I think he needs something more. Thank-you, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:42:01 -0500 From: jacentab@hunterlab.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Oil of Oregano Message-ID: <199711111242.HAA00171@troi.hunterlab.com> Greetings! Has anyone had experience with oil of oregano, or knows where I can get independent information about it? In trying to get rid of Candida, or some other yeast or bad overgrowth (?), I picked up a bottle this weekend. A book written by Dr. Ingram, "The Cure is in the Cupboard," praises this essential oil as being able to cure Candida and just about every other virus, bacteria, fungus, or bad guy plaguing mankind. You're supposed to also take capsules of crushed wild oregano at the same time. I tried it a couple of times, 3 drops under the tongue, and just about saw visions through the tears. It's like swallowing turpentine (I imagine). Although I smelled like pizza all day, which isn't too bad except that I'm an SCDer and it was driving me crazy, what concerns me is that killing bacteria in a petri dish is one thing, but running the stuff through your liver is something else entirely. I have only one body and don't especially relish trading an intestinal problem for liver cancer down the road. Any info would be appreciated. Grapefruit seed extract is next. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:56:45 PST From: "Kurt Jensen" <kurt_j@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Pro-Symbioflor Message-ID: <19971111145646.12804.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, Just to report, that what SCD have not been able to do for me in more than 1/2 year, the Pro Symbioflor bacteria mixture seems to do... I use 20 drops of Pro Symbioflor twice a day and SymbioLact Comp twice a day. Compare this to ordinary bacteria-pills/capsules like Paraghurt, and the amount of bacteria is more than 1000 times more. Also more different sorts of bacteria. I have only been able to find this in Germany, but it seems that every chemist carry it there so it can't be that bad... - Kurt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:59:58 -0700 From: tarisawa@wic.net (Arisawa, Toru) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Crohn's and pregnancy Message-ID: <3468107E.B84@wic.net> PI5DA@aol.com wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi. I sent an e-mail the other day regarding the effects of pregnancy on > Crohn's. Somehow I did not receive the digested SCD list yesterday like I do > every evening. I received today's, but did not see my letter, nor any > replies. > > I don't know if it went through, or if it did but did not receive the list > that included it. > > If anyone happened to read it and sent any imput....I never received it. If > you did, can you please mail me a copy to my own e-mail (PI5DA@AOL.COM) in > case I don't get the digested list again? > > Again, my question was if anyone who was pregnant while having Crohn's seen > any imrovement in their condition, or increased problems, or no change at > all? > My doctor told me that his patients fared either way, and recommended I stay > off the Pill to see if there is any change in my symtoms. If the Pill tricks > the body into thinking it's pregnant, is it the same as being pregnant? And > if those that fared well during pregnancy could have similar results on the > Pill? > > Just curious.... > Simone Hi Simone, This is Isabella, I joined SCD recently and thought the following might be of interest from a holistic view point. The contraceptive pill can deplete the body of certain nutrients, e.g. Vitamin B6, Folic Acid, Zinc, and the 'Friendly Bacteria' - hence some people on the pill are more likely to get thrush etc. If the contraceptive pill has a detrimental effect on the friendly bacteria in ones gut, then it will in turn affect the guts ability to synthesize certain nutrients, and will affect the pH in the gut which is important for absorption of nutrients. I read in the September 1995 'Nutrition Action Healthletter' that there is evidence that people are at lower risk of developing colon cancer if they have adequate levels of folic acid (which occurs in food folate), e.g. in lots of fruit and vegetables, especially leafy greens. Adequate levels of zinc are important for healing. Isabella ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: East Indian food= Message-ID: <971111142017_-1640340639@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Yogurt in middle-eastern restaurants is quite sweet and is not usually fermented nearly as long as is necessary for full lactose digestion. I never trust yogurt unless I have made it myself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:53:03 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: nausea Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98461317BE@LOGIXMAIL> My nausea has gotten better all the time using SCD. I do occasionally use Enzymatics product called Gastric Soothe which is Calcium Carbonate, Diglycerized Licorace and Glycine. No sugars or additives. Works very well. I also discovered that a supplement I was taling called N-ACetyl-Cysteine was really upsetting my stomach when I took it on an empty stomach. WIth food, don't have the same problem. I also found that digestion works a whole lot better when I don't drink with my meals. This is recommended also by many writers of health books. Also, use HCL and digestive enzymes with meals. Seem to help a lot. Hope this helps your freind. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Kebridan@aol.com [SMTP:Kebridan@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 10, 1997 8:59 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: nausea > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat, > I think I remember you talking about having a lot of nausea. I would > like to > ask you a question, or anyone else who might know, for a friend of > mine. > About 3 months ago he thought he had the flu and felt nauseous. Well > he > never got over the nausea and has had endless tests done that all came > out > negative. He says he hears and feels his stomach making lots of noise > but he > doesn't have any diarrhea, just degrees of nausea. Any ideas or do > you want > to speculate? I thought someone sent you a remedy that sounded good > but I > forgot what it was. I know about ginger, but I think he needs > something > more. Thank-you, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:16:26 -0500 From: SCD-request@longisland.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Welcome to SCD-list Message-ID: <19971111211626896.AAA239@mail.longisland.com> -- Hello Everyone, Welcome to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet forum. The agenda here is the discussion of a book called "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" written by Elaine Gottschall. The book contains the diet developed by Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas which has an astoundingly high success rate in the treatment of inflammatory bowel disease. The diet cured Elaine Gottschall's younger daughter over forty years ago of ulcerative colitis after various medical approaches were no longer effective and surgery appeared imminent. Ms. Gottschall entered university at that time in an effort to try and understand how something as simple as a dietary change could reverse a so-called incurable disease. She spent twelve years in the research community at three leading North American universities. This scientific training combined with seven years of consulting convinced her of the effectiveness of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet in reversing many gastrointestinal disorders, especially inflammatory bowel disease. The book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, is her contribution as a scientific hypothesis upon which future researchers can do further work. For many of us the book is also the source of restored health. If anyone is finding difficulty in locating a copy of the book, it will be available through this list. Many of us who have been on the diet for any length of time have experienced the miraculous healing powers of this diet and are here to share our experience and tips for living with it. In the process, perhaps we can learn a few things ourselves. Some of us have additionally discovered adjunct therapies (exercise, allowable supplements, ect.) and these contributions may be helpful. It is important however to focus on the diet itself. There are many diets and many forms of alternative medicines available that promise to aid those suffering with IBD. For that purpose, there are many lists and web sites out there to provide information on these. This list however, has been formed to promote and discuss the "Specific Carbohydrate diet" exclusively. Forums usually have a chairperson in place to help direct issues that pertain to the subject at hand. As there will be no governing bodies here, it is asked that we individually use self-restraint to ensure that the subject of the SCD remains the primary focus. Most of us here can address questions from newcomers and welcome the opportunity to do so. Elaine is not on the internet. She does plan on being available to answer the tricky stuff and promises to occasionally forward comments to the group. It is our hopes that we can continue to grow and to assist the portion of our society plagued by IBD, towards restored health. Life without pain, bleeding and the constant search for a bathroom is indeed a blessing. Sincerely, Rachel Turet ------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction to the List Manager -------------------------------- This is the Mailing List Manager for Post.Office version v3.0. The interface is similar to Brent Chapman's "Majordomo". 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Jane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:10:04 -0500 From: jsafam@juno.com (S Albert) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Several questions and a bit of (belated) info Message-ID: <19971111.191006.7206.0.jsafam@juno.com> I've just started reading. I sent an earlier email, but I'm not sure it went through; something else didn't go through that day, so.... I've been on the diet for a bit less than a month and it seems to be helping me somewhat. Patience, I guess is the key.... Are raisins a no-no since grapes aren't well tolerated by everyone? What about "approved" cheeses for those with candida problems (since cheeses are usually no-no'ed for us)? Does anyone else suspect that Candida and more medically accepted diagnoses are related to each other? A friend who has UC and recommended the diet to me said that half and half was great to use to prepare the yogurt. Is this accurate (and safe)? Regarding Kombucha tea, I've read some warnings about it, just FYI: 4/24/95 Newsweek - one death and one illness in Iowa from (suspected) batch of contaminated Kombucha (homemade). According to some info I received from Candida & Intestinal Dybiosis Foundation, if you are having health problems, it's best to consume only commercially controlled Kombucha products. Hope this is helpful and not too scary. Stacia ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #97 **********************
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