SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Wed, 29 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 84 In this issue: Finish line in 35 (yogurt) first and goal scd yoghurt cookery Re: first and goal (yogurt) Re: Yogurt, the untold stories Re: yoghurt cookery Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:39:03 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Finish line in 35 (yogurt) Message-ID: <19971028.183907.10422.0.rosset@juno.com> Hi Jeff, After your recent letter about timing the yogurt making, I did just that. From the time I took the 2 quarts of 1/2 & 1/2 out of the refrigerator, to being completely finished- yogurt in yogourmet: 35 min.! 27 min. to heat milk on med-low heat with lid on, with an occasional stir. 7 min. to cool (putting pan in large metal bowl with water and ice cubes). 1 min. to stir yogurt starter into small amount of the cooled 1/2 & 1/2, then stir all together. Put in yogurt maker, and WAIT patiently for many hours. Lucy PS. During most of the time I was doing other kitchen duty, so it really only took a few minutes of focusing on the yogurt. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:55:43 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: first and goal Message-ID: <34574E6F.888D1D98@snet.net> lucy, sounds like you've got it down pat. I, too, am trying to get it down to a science . Your info will help. curious do you use a thermometer to nail down temperatures at this point, or are you confident that the TIMES are enough for a "proper batch"? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Thang Teddy Haduong" <haduongt@pilot.msu.edu> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: scd Message-ID: <199710291645.LAA60574@pilot004.cl.msu.edu> Hello. My name is Teddy Haduong, and I'm a graduate student at Michigan State. What you folks say about the scd diet interests me. My copy of the book should be arriving any day now. I have what I would call moderate IBS. I get cramps, bloating, and constipation. I eat a high-carb, high-refined sugar, high fiber diet loaded with lots of starches. I'm open to the possibility that this is my problem. My questions are as follows. How much does food cost per week? What equipment would I have to buy? I don't have a car and therefore have little access to a health food store (if there are any in Lansing) so is there a mail order health food store I could order from? How much would that cost? How long does it take to cook? I've never cooked in my life but am willing to try. As you can see, my biggest concerns are money, time, and availability of the stuff I would need to buy. If these questions are addressed elsewhere, please direct me to them. What equipment would you recommend, how much is it, and where can I buy it? Thanks, Teddy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:05:53 -0500 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: new SCD <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: yoghurt cookery Message-ID: <199710291309_MC2-258E-6E2F@compuserve.com> To avoid burning the milk, it helps to stand there and stir the milk as it's heating. I stir it with the candy thermometer I use to keep track of the temperature. Yes, this is tedious, especially if you do a gallon at a time as I do. What also helps is to heat the milk in a hot water bath before cooking it. I put the (unopened) milk container in the sink and fill the sink with hot water. Do this a couple of times and the temp you start cooking the milk at will be up over 100 F (which means you cook it over the burner a lot less time to get it to 180, so a lot less time to burn the pot). To cool it down, do the opposite: a cold water bath in the sink (just put the pot in the sink, and fill the sink around it with cold water). Stirring as you go with the candy thermometer shortens the cooling time. The whole process takes me about 45 minutes, start to finish. A double boiler sounds like a great idea, if you could find one big enough to cook a gallon of milk at a time. The ones I've seen are only a quart or so capacity. I also got a much better result when I started using the yogourmet starter. John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:45:44 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: first and goal (yogurt) Message-ID: <19971029.134606.10454.0.rosset@juno.com> >curious do you use a thermometer to nail down temperatures at this >point, or are you confident that the TIMES are enough for a "proper >batch"? > >Jeff Hi Jeff, I do use a thermometer to make sure the milk has cooled down to the temperature recommended for adding Yogourmet powdered starter (under 44 C). If you are using commercial yogurt as a starter, Elaine recommends in the book to let it cool down to room temperature or below. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:47:37 -0700 From: "Linda " To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogurt, the untold stories Message-ID: <8825653F.007BA1AE.00@baxworld.com> Jeff, A double boiler is a pan that nests on top of another pan. You put water in the bottom pan and the milk in the top pan. This way you are indirectly heating the milk by the boiling water instead of directly heating it on the stove's electric element or gas flame. This helps eliminate scalding. It is also useful for other hard to heat items, such as chocolate, which we can't have on SCD! Like I said before, I had a hard time finding a double boiler. I finally found one at a store named IKEA. I don't know if you have them where you live. The nice thing about the one I got is that it has a third pan insert that has holes in it for steaming vegetables. So really the pan has 3 uses, a regular sauce pan (the one that holds the water when using as a double boiler or steamer, the double boiler, and the steamer. Good deal for the money ... it was 39.95 USD. And yes, I have been taking the temperature of the milk before adding the starter. Since I put the milk in the refrigerator for about an hour I haven't had any problem getting the milk cool enough. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:01:04 -0700 From: "Linda" To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yoghurt cookery Message-ID: <8825653F.007E4B47.00@baxworld.com> John, I would think it would be hard to find a gallon double boiler. The one I just bought, just barely holds 2 quarts. There is a couple of restaurant supply stores that I am hoping to check out soon. If I see any big ones there I will let you know. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:32:46 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971029173044.286767e0@megamed.com> My son is on the SCD diet and so far it is working so well, I cannot believe it. I am almost afraid to speak about it, the diarrhea is gone, the first time in 5 years, and the autistic like symptoms are slowly ameliorating! We have a long way to go, but no doubt about it, there is progress. For the first time in I don't know how long, I am not washing 2 or 3 pairs of underwear per day! Anyway, I am taking him out for Halloween, am planning to "plant" some home-made SCD treats at my closest neighbors' houses, things he could have. So far, we are on very strict SCD, he does not tolerate nuts well as yet, nor fruits. He tolerates almost all vegetables well. Any ideas, I am desperate! I just don't see how meat/vegetables translate into a Halloween treat!!! Moira I was thinking of making the zucchini muffins, then giving him some alka selzer gold for the allergic reaction he has to the nuts. So far, that's all I can come up with. I don't want to even give a sucker, as it would feed his candida, but may have to. I think he would be appeased by even one sucker, as he never gets sweets at all. How much damage would one sucker do? ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #84 ********************** SCD-list Thu, 30 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 85 In this issue: from Elaine Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Yoghurt: to thermometer or not? Re: yoghurt: double boiler Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? BIG THANK-YOU!! Heating Yogurt Food Cost on SCD Re: BIG THANK-YOU!! We could move the world Holloween treat (dumb?) ideas... mercury Moira - discussion group Rachel/cavitations Re: Food Cost on SCD Re: Heating Yogurt Re: first and goal RE: mercury Don't microwave milk subscribe scd-list Re: Smoking and UC Colon removal and SCD Re: Smoking and UC -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:49:55 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: from Elaine Message-ID: <l03010d00b07d89aa473e@[206.112.46.25]> Dear All, Elaine has asked me to pass on the following; After 1/2 dozen reports of problems eating raw grapes, I think UC sufferers should be very careful with them. During remissions, perhaps a few are OK, but never during relapses. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:51:22 -0500 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Message-ID: <19971030015029.AAA10847@a-zcusto> Dear Moira, Instead of food treats go to your local dollar shop or halloween suppy type place and get him little toys to plant with the neighbors. I bet he will like those. Good luck, Kay I don't think the sucker would be worth it at this stage especially ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 21:05:46 -0500 From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Message-ID: <1333962905-23746569@mailhost.triplesoft.com> Hi Moira, Have you tried the pumpkin pie recipe in the book? Maybe your neighbors would let you hide pumpkin pie in their refrigerator to surprise your son? You could scoop small servings of the pumpkin pie into little containers and wrap them in Halloween-colored cellophane to be festive. If you don't have time to cook your own pumpkin to use in the recipe, you can buy frozen winter squash (2 packets) and make it with that. The pie is a sweet, tasty treat. Hope this helps. :) <renee> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:18:32 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yoghurt: to thermometer or not? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029181832.006b558c@smartt.com> Jeff: I use a candy thermometer with a large metal clip that I attach to the rim of the stainless-stell pot (we make a 1-gallon / 4-liter batch at one go); you can buy them in any cookware store. I feel most comfortable if I can see the actual reading instead of just guessing, esp. when one first brings the temp. up to near-boiling (the cooling-down temp of "room-temp" is good enough if you want to wing it, but for that I also use the thermometer). Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:28:25 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yoghurt: double boiler Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029182825.006aef28@smartt.com> You DON'T need a double boiler: simply get yourself a good-quality stainless-steel pot (we use one that hold about 2 gallons so there's lots of room left after dumping a 1-gallon (4-liter) amount of milk into it. KISS: "Keep it simple, stupid", right? Besides, most cheap double boilers are aluminum, and alu is bad for you (causes Alzheimer's, they think,a mong other problems). ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:53:14 -0600 From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971030025314.00aa6cb0@ntmail.normicro.com> At 04:32 PM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Any ideas, I am desperate! I just don't see how meat/vegetables translate >into a Halloween treat!!! > >Moira I have been making a sort of candy that is based on the almond crisp recipe. Stir about 4 T melted butter into about a cup of honey and heat it in a pan in a 350 degree oven for about 25 minutes until the mixture is bubbly brown. Then take it out of the oven, stir it again and let it cool. It will be a firm carmel-like consistency when completely cool. You could scoop it out by the spoonful and wrap it in wax paper or plastic wrap and call it caramels. I think it tastes great with apples, but I haven't figured out if I could actually get it to stick to a whole apple. I can't eat any dairy, but this seems to be fine. This mixture can be heated for a longer time to get a harder caramel that might be used as a sucker, but it's tricky not to burn the mixture as it approaches the hardening stage. Best Wishes and Happy Halloween Roberta > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:38:41 -0600 From: "JAMES R. ASHBY" <"ja60802@ltec.net"@navix.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: BIG THANK-YOU!! Message-ID: <199710300638.AAA22670@iac6.navix.net> Dear FANTASTIC list members, Today you all receive a GIANT hug and kiss from a very grateful sister of a CD sufferer. Karen is 30 yrs old and was diagnosed with CD at age 18. She has had 5 operations, bowel resections, fistula problems, etc. You all know the score. And she puts up with at least 5 to 6 hospital stays per year. However, this past June, her CD became worse than ever (terrible D, joint pain that could not be controlled, etc.) Her doctors decided their only course of action was to up her predinisone levels considerably to stop the D and then cut the dosage in half. This brought on severe migraine headaches that not even Demerol or morphine could stop. Unfortunately, my sister has always tried to deny the existence of her disease and blindly follow whatever her doctors prescribed. But I was tired of seeing the pro- fessionals use her as their prime guinea pig, and went to work on my own seeking out new info on the net (somehow that sounds rather Star-Trek like, doesn't it?) Luckily, I stumbled onto this group and ordered Elaine's book. Karen is currently without-computer, so I sent her "THE BOOK" and have been bombarding her ever since with copies of your postings via snail-mail. I ordered a yogurt maker from Williams Sonoma, ordered the almond nut flour from Hughsons and found sources for the dry curd cheese. After two months, she has finally started the SCD and I'm anxiously awaiting word of how it is going for her. I will keep you posted and also pass on any questions she has. FINALLY, I must thank you all again!!! It was not my "nagging" that convinced her to take back her own health and try something new, but all the messages from people who have "been there". I think she's always felt so alone with her CD, she has never talked with other people who have it. The change in her attitude has been remarkable. P.S. I'm sure you get tired of being asked this, but any words of encouragement you could offer Karen would be GREATLY appreciated. You are all my Heroes!! Thanks!! A sincerely grateful sister, Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:06:49 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Heating Yogurt Message-ID: <34583209.714@pacbell.net> What I am doing to heat the milk for making yogurt is put it in a pyrex glass container and stick it in the microwave until it starts to boil. This seems to work great and it's super easy! Denise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:10:42 -0800 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Food Cost on SCD Message-ID: <345832F2.79FE@pacbell.net> Teddy, I have found that initially there seemed to be some extra expense, with buying nuts in abundance and such. However, it all evens out. I find that I save a lot of money on this diet since I don't eat out in restaurants anymore unless I have to. Also, principle food items for me are now homemade split pea soup and cooked lima beans, which I love. They are really inexpensive. But ultimately, having my health (and life) back are what make it all worth it. Denise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:43:59 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: BIG THANK-YOU!! Message-ID: <l03010d00b07e21ec4262@[206.112.46.31]> Dear Jan, You embody the word "sister" and Karen is so very fortunate to have you in her life. You've given her all the necessary tools to begin this diet and we all pray that it works for her. I don't know what state your sister lives in, but I live in LI, NY & if you want I would send you my phone #, (in case she has any questions on the diet) I'd be happy to send it to you. I've been in remission for over 2 years on this diet, and would be happy to aid you in your efforts on your sister's behalf. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:47:34 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: We could move the world Message-ID: <3458AC16.ACD8364B@snet.net> fellow yogurtmakers, thanks for the helpful hints re; yogurtmaking. I'm amazed how creative and resourceful our group is. Please keep sending out your good words. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:41:50 -0500 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Holloween treat (dumb?) ideas... Message-ID: <34588E9D.F127225D@emory.edu> > > > TO: Mary <moira@megamed.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? > > My son is on the SCD diet and I am planning to "plant" some > home-made SCD treats at my closest neighbors' houses, things he could > have.... Maybe those fruit rolls (dried fruit that is pressed) - I suspect this may cause D... or might have unlabeled sucrose or other nasties. Usually you can find them in natural food stores.How about money? That way, he can go out and buy himself a toy, or some cool clothes. I'd love to get money. Tell him that candy rots your teeth, and will make him sick, but the money won't! He'll probably appreciate that (I would). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:51:55 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: mercury Message-ID: <971030095155_1546848590@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Pat - "our friend" told me mercury is causing the cavitations. dr. lee. yes, they would BOTH have to be dealt with, no doubt about it. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Moira - discussion group Message-ID: <971030100308_-291889581@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Moira - so do you know the name of the discussion group on amalgams? Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:03:35 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Rachel/cavitations Message-ID: <971030095711_160241872@emout06.mail.aol.com> Hi Rachel - i will quote what cavitations are: "during the early 1950's some european physicians and dentists reported the sockets of numbers of old tooth extraction sites had not filled in completely, thereby leaving thin holes in the bones of the jaw and at times, larger areas. these cavitations result when the periodontal ligament (the tough fibrous tissue) that holds the root of a tooth to its bony socket, fails to break down and disappear during the healing process. thus, as the socket heals and fills in with new bone, this thin strip of fibrous tissue prevents the growth of new bone in that area, causing a narrow space to remain. whatever bacteria and toxins were trapped in the periodontal membrane remain in the jaw as a CHRONIC INFECTION." Rachel, because you are "up front" in the office and not in back with your fellow employees, let me "clue you in" on your employees safety precautions in handling mercury: in the mid 1980's all dentists were sent a copy of a list of recommendations for their protection against mercury and scrap amalgam. It was published by the council on dental materials and devised by the ADA. it warned of the severe hazards of the vapor coming from scrap amalgam. scrap amalgam is the part of the filling left over when you have a filling placed. the scrap is put into a can or a box and saved to be returned for reclamation. the proper handling of this dangerous material that emits such harmful vapors is considered such a problem that it is recommended that dental students be taught about these hazards as well. here are the councils recommendations: 1. store mercury in unbreakable, tightly sealed containers. 2. perform all operations involving mercury over areas that have impervious and suitably lipped surfaces so as to confine and facilitate recovery of spilled mercury or amalgam. 3. clean up any spilled mercury immediately. droplets may be picked up with narrow tubing connected to the low-volume aspirator of the dental unit. 4. use tightly closed capsules during amalgamation while it is being mixed. 5. use a NO TOUCH technique for handling the amalgam. 6. salvage all amalgam scrap and store it under water. 7. work in well ventilated spaces. 8. avoid carpeting dental operatories as decontamination is not possible. 9. eliminate the use of mercury-containing solutions 10. avoid heating mercury or amalgam. 11. use water spray and suction when grinding dental amalgam 12. use conventional dental amalgam compacting procedures, manual and mechanical, but do not use ultrasonic amalgam condensers. 13. perform yearly mercury determinations on all personnel regularly employed in dental offices. 14. have periodic mercury vapor level determinations made in operatories. 15. alert all personnel involved in handling mercury, especially during training or indoctrination periods, of the potential hazard of mercury vapor and the necessity for observing good mercury hygiene practices. if mercury is so safe, why these rules? its a hazard for the dentist to handle it, but its ok to put it in our mouths??? as for what Pat has said on certain people being able to tolerate it - yes and no. in other words mercury is probably THE cause for ALL our problems WHETHER THEY HAVE HAPPENED YET OR NOT. because the immune system is down, and you cant seem to get back up, people need to look at ALL areas keeping their system down. this is one of those areas and possibly THE major one. very quickly, i had blood work done. the lab said "the infection is coming from the mouth". why would they say this? they could have said anything. theres no money here to be made from this lab. then i went to the dentist and he checked for cavitations - which is basically dead bacteria. what i am tying in is this: i have been in detox for 3 years. i have made alot of progress but there is SOMETHING in the way. i cant tell you what it is but the lab sure has refocused my perspective. there is a fence in front of me and i cant jump it. thats the only way i can explain it. i knew this BEFORE the results came back. by now, my system should be responding. i have taken one heck of a load off of it. common sense is ANYTHING that doesnt belong in the body and that includes bad food (God just didnt make the system to process this stuff), will have an effect on that body - sooner or later. let alone a metal! arent they now admitting to aluminum causing alzheimers? hope this answers your question but i would seriously consider checking it out. i apologize for the length of this post. take care - Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:24:11 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Cost on SCD Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971030082159.2e0f2b9a@megamed.com> At 11:10 PM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Teddy, > >I have found that initially there seemed to be some extra expense, with >buying nuts in abundance and such. However, it all evens out. I find >that I save a lot of money on this diet since I don't eat out in >restaurants anymore unless I have to. Also, principle food items for me >are now homemade split pea soup and cooked lima beans, which I love. >They are really inexpensive. But ultimately, having my health (and >life) back are what make it all worth it. > >Denise > > Yes, I agree, the expense is definitely there. However, my friends are taking their autistic kids back east for prednisone treatments, how much does that cost? Think of putting 2, 3, 4, 5 year old children through intensive prednisone treatments. The behavioral mod therapy our autistic kids get costs 3000 per month or more. The seizure medications, the sleeping pills, the ritalin, the psychotropic drugs, the Prozac, the Zoloft, all are being given to autistic kids, at what cost??? Our Autistic Society of America, Dr Bernie Rimland, the most famous autism researcher, none of these people mention Elaine's diet, why????????? Because it cures the many of the kids of their so-called autism!!! And then, what would these people do for a living????? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:19:30 -0800 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Heating Yogurt Message-ID: <01bce54f$99d0b420$293b36ce@backpack> I make my yogurt the same way. I have a temperature probe with my microwave. I put the probe in the milk, code in 199 degrees, hit the start button, then forget about the cooking until the microwave tells me the cooking is done, via a beep. Even though I code in 199 degrees, the milk has never burned. -----Original Message----- >What I am doing to heat the milk for making yogurt is put it in a pyrex >glass container and stick it in the microwave until it starts to boil. >This seems to work great and it's super easy! > >Denise > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 9:23:37 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: first and goal Message-ID: <9710301623.AA106718@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Lucy and Jeff, Lucy wrote... > 27 min. to heat milk on med-low heat with lid on, with an occasional stir. > 7 min. to cool (putting pan in large metal bowl with water and ice cubes). Jeff wrote... > curious do you use a thermometer to nail down temperatures at this point .... John wrote.... > To avoid burning the milk, it helps to stand there and stir the milk as > it's heating. I stir it with the candy thermometer I use to keep track of > the temperature. Yes, this is tedious, ... The process that I use for making the yogurt is to put 2 cups half/half and 2 cups homo milk in a regular pot. Rinse out the measuring cup to (just in case) avoid contaminating the yogurt starter (later step). Turn stove on high, stirring slowly and constantly for about 7-9 minutes. Take off the stove just when it is boiling and just before it starts to boil upwards. I then put it in the sink (no lid) and surround with cold water until pot starts to float. Walk away for 20-30 minutes (TV or whatever). By then a simple "pinky" (little finger) test will confirm that the milk is cooled. Finish process with 1/4 cup yogurt starter mixed with 1/2 cup milk from pot (into measuring cup already used to measure the milk), stir with wisk. I don't bother with a thermometer, and I've had no problems this way. I also tend to make it at night, and leave it until the morning 36 hours later. Empty containers, put containers and pot into dishwasher. Make more yogurt that night. I make a quart (8 containers) every 2 days (that's how much my yogurt maker holds) and eat 3-4 containers/day. Not necessarily the best way, however it works well for me. Thanks...Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:05:28 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: mercury Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1DEE@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Our friend? Do you mean Lee?? Confused.... pat > -----Original Message----- > From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com [SMTP:SHADOWPUP@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 7:52 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: mercury > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat - > > "our friend" told me mercury is causing the cavitations. dr. lee. yes, > they > would BOTH have to be dealt with, no doubt about it. > > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:02:49 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Don't microwave milk Message-ID: <19971030.100255.10454.0.rosset@juno.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:06:49 -0800 Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >What I am doing to heat the milk for making yogurt is put it in a >pyrex >glass container and stick it in the microwave until it starts to boil. Hi Denise, I asked Elaine a while back if it would be OK to microwave the milk, and she said not to. She said that microwaving might not sustain the heat long enough to kill the competing bacteria. Something about heating from the inside out. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:38:51 EST From: Denali321 <Denali321@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <78aeec1a.3458e21f@aol.com> High incidence of Smoking CD sufferers and Low incidence of Non-smoking UC sufferers. I have heard the theory that the pathogen responsible for the initial damage in UC and CD is identical. The bodies reaction to this pathogen (the immuno-response) differs based on the presence of nicotine in the system. I have been a smoker for 10 years. Diagnosed with CD 1 year ago today. Resection 4 weeks ago. SCDiet started this week. Ex-smoker for 28 days. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Colon removal and SCD Message-ID: <971030152015_-23367623@mrin39> Hi all, I have been on the scd since late August and on this list-server the same length of time. My gut problems are just IBD or maybe IBS - certainly need to be dealt with but not at "serious" critical care stage (thank the powers!). However, my 85 year old uncle, who has had what his doctors call "diverticulitis" (sp?) for over 40 years, has had very serious medical problems in the last three years. Had several partial colon removals and finally, in Sept. , had the rest of it out. Question: Is anyone out there on the SCD who has had a total colon removal? Is it worth my trying to tell him about the SCD at this stage? As you all can well imagine, not a single one of the MD's he's seen over the years has ever once suggested his diet may be the problem. In fact, they've told him he can eat whatever he wants! Any info/comments on this wd be appreciated. Thanks, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:11:56 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com, Denali321 <Denali321@aol.com> Subject: Re: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971030161156.006bea50@smartt.com> At 02:38 PM 10/30/97 EST, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >High incidence of Smoking CD sufferers and Low incidence of Non-smoking UC >sufferers. I have heard the theory that the pathogen responsible for the >initial damage in UC and CD is identical. The bodies reaction to this >pathogen (the immuno-response) differs based on the presence of nicotine in >the system. > >I have been a smoker for 10 years. Diagnosed with CD 1 year ago today. >Resection 4 weeks ago. SCDiet started this week. Ex-smoker for 28 days. > So you're saying smoking did NOT prevent, nor resolve, your Crohn's? Unfortunately, the study that I've seen was very specific: smoking (according to this study, which I can't refer you to right now, maybe someone else can search for it) relieves COLITIS, but NOT Crohn's! They were VERY clear on that. Strange, eh? So that would tie in with you: you have CD, and smoking neither improved nor prevented it, right? Of course, this does not mean that if you STOP smoking, this will stop the Crohn's! (unfortunately). Dietmar ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #85 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 31 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 86 In this issue: Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Re: Smoking and UC Re: subscribe scd-list Re: We could move the world Re: first and goal RE: Another Survey barometric pressure initial resistance Sad news Fwd: Hg & As Re: first and goal (yogurt) Re: barometric pressure Almond source RE: Sad news RE: Another Survey Re: Food Cost on SCD Re: yoghurt: double boiler Re: Food Cost on SCD Re: Sad news Re: Sad news -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:26:29 EST From: Jmrsy <Jmrsy@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Urgent, Halloween treat ideas?? Message-ID: <f4a4dec4.34594fb9@aol.com> I just bought my first Butternut Squash and baked it. It was delicious, and the texture was such that I could shape the flesh into balls, similar to play dough. Add some honey and butter for flavor. Why not try that for Halloween treats? You could make minature pumpkins or whatever you want . Another thing you might want to try is frozen yougurt popsicles or a frozen banana. Perhaps you could dress up or decorate a hard boiled egg, Maybe a favorite drink in a special cup would be a treat too. Best Wishes, Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:33:55 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <01bce5be$94430b60$LocalHost@default> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >High incidence of Smoking CD sufferers and Low incidence of Non-smoking UC >sufferers. I have heard the theory that the pathogen responsible for the >initial damage in UC and CD is identical. The bodies reaction to this >pathogen (the immuno-response) differs based on the presence of nicotine in >the system. > >I have been a smoker for 10 years. Diagnosed with CD 1 year ago today. >Resection 4 weeks ago. SCDiet started this week. Ex-smoker for 28 days. To the Ex Smoker: Congratulations on the 28 days smoke free . The most difficult days are behind you. The most treacherous days lies ahead. I was 25 years a smoker, now 29 years EXsmoker. The best thing I ever did was stop smoking. (Other than marrying my good wife. I had to say that. She monitors these posts) William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:35:24 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: We could move the world Message-ID: <01bce5b6$678af5e0$LocalHost@default> From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Thursday, October 30, 1997 5:49 AM Subject: We could move the world >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >fellow yogurtmakers, > >thanks for the helpful hints re; yogurtmaking. I'm amazed how creative >and resourceful our group is. > >Please keep sending out your good words. > >Jeff Hi Jeff and the group. Someone in a past post once mentioned they didnt appreciate spending alot of time making yoghurt. I have been making it near five years now. A more recent post claimed a time of thirty five minutes to make a batch of yogurt . So being curious I timed myself. From start to finish 29 minutes and two more to clean up the kettle I heat the milk in. That gives me three litres of good yogurt. Now if I can just locate a larger blow torch to heat the milk faster. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:58:10 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: first and goal Message-ID: <01bce5b9$95de1000$LocalHost@default> Snip Hi Lucy and Jeff, > >Lucy wrote... >> 27 min. to heat milk on med-low heat with lid on, with an occasional stir. >> 7 min. to cool (putting pan in large metal bowl with water and ice cubes). > >Jeff wrote... >> curious do you use a thermometer to nail down temperatures at this point .... > >John wrote.... >> To avoid burning the milk, it helps to stand there and stir the milk as >> it's heating. I stir it with the candy thermometer I use to keep track of >> the temperature. Yes, this is tedious, ... snip >in the sink (no lid) and surround with cold water until pot starts to float. >Walk away for 20-30 minutes (TV or whatever). By then a simple "pinky" >(little finger) test will confirm that the milk is cooled. > >Thanks...Dan. Dan and the group I would think there are many slightly different ways to successfully make yogurt. However I am rather doubtful about putting anything into the yogurt, that has not been sterilized including my fingers. Any bacteria on the finger is going to be incubated along with the yogurt. Regards William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 23:03:06 UT From: "JOHN VERT" <GOOMBADA@classic.msn.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Another Survey Message-ID: <UPMAIL03.199710310759340651@classic.msn.com> pat, i have at least 10 amalgams for over twenty years and a root canal about 6 years ago. bye vert ---------- From: Pat Sullivan Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 12:54 PM To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Another Survey -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- I found the informal survey we did on colds and flu so interesting, I hoped you all would not mind another informal survey... I am very interested to know how many you have dental mercury amlagams? How many have the newer copper amalgams? How many have had root canals? How many have had amalagams but have had them removed? Thanks very much for your reply. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 19:32:02 UT From: "JOHN VERT" <GOOMBADA@classic.msn.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: barometric pressure Message-ID: <UPMAIL03.199710310834160748@classic.msn.com> to all, has anyone had the experience that bouts of uc are cyclical or even seasonal. i've noticed worse occourances during the fall. especially when there is a low pressure system on the way i can feel it in my bowels. i look out the window and check the weather report and for sure its cloudy with rain on the way and cool. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:02:07 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: initial resistance Message-ID: <3459F2EF.DCDD6A53@snet.net> Bill and Group, I guess in the world of microwaves fax machines and e-mail, thirty minuts 2-3 times a week appears to be a large commitment of time. My guess is that some of us spend more time with our yogurtmakers than with our significant others. HOWEVER......if this is the commitment that is needed so be it..... You are hearing what I think is my initial resistance to a new time consuming thing in my life (I've been averaging 10 hours in the kitchen each week on the SCD, compared to half an hour before diet) Anyway, I know it's worth the effort; I am seeing results, and am quite satisfied and hopeful with things thus far...... I appreciate all the "little" tips that are sent our way.....please keep 'em comin'... jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:26:27 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Sad news Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971031062420.187f6634@megamed.com> I left my son with a respite worker who is from a company that specializes in special needs. I left very detailed written instructions and all the food was prepared, all on one special shelf in the fridge, etc. I came home and *none* of his SCD diet food was eaten. She gave him wheat cereal, milk, and two unripe bananas. I could have cried! I feel I can never leave him, not even for an hour. How much damage would this one incident do? I know he was making so much progress on the diet. When I came out he was zoned, off in his own world again completely. Help! Moira ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:26:30 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Fwd: Hg & As Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971031062422.187f750a@megamed.com> Dear SCD List, A friend sent this to me:(regarding mercury and arsenic) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________ Don't cha just love the way our food is tampered with? Vicki --------------------- Forwarded message: From: jkeyes@mtnhome.com (James L. Keyes) ender: AMALGAM@LISTSERV.GMD.DE (Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam) Reply-to: AMALGAM@LISTSERV.GMD.DE (Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam) To: AMALGAM@LISTSERV.GMD.DE Date: 97-10-30 20:10:25 EST DR LYDIA BRONTE wrote: > > Bernie, I too came out high on Arsenic on my blood and hair tests, > which astonished me = I have never had any contact with arsenic that > I know of. However, I do eat a lot of meat and produce. Makes me > feel like taking my dinner to a lab to have it analyzed. > I haven't had any time to do the research on this & figure out > what to do about it; I'm still too busy with the mercury, which never > seems to end. Best, Lydia Lydia and all: During a visit to a local poultry production facility (a.k.a. chicken house!), I found some interesting packets of "medication" which is added to the water of the birds "as needed". What got my attention was the skull and crossbones symbol on the packets! I picked one up and found that it contained potassium permangenate and arsenic! The manager of the place said that it is addded to water for all birds from 3 weeks until harvest. It is supposed to control intestinal parasites and increase appetitie of the birds. I have no idea what the concentration of As is in the water, what amount each bird ingests, etc. But...maybe that explains the As which we all seem to find in analyses. Regards, Jim Keyes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com Message-ID: <199710311439.JAA15075@mrin47.mail.aol.com> xpect NO positive or negative affects on my Crohns from my quitting smoking. I do, however, expect many positive impacts on my overall health. Sidebar Average life expectancy of a male smoker now 27 - 75 years Average life expectancy of a male non-smoker now 27 - 77 years not a big difference, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: first and goal (yogurt) Message-ID: <971031095543_-1426803080@mrin43.mail.aol.com> I just purchased a new yogurt maker by the manufacturer Donvier (from Canada, of course). About $25 and it included a thermometer that tells you when you should add the starter. Just made my first batch using the yogourmet starter and whole milk. Delicious yogurt. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: barometric pressure Message-ID: <971031095254_1534756215@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Very interesting that you mention seasonal variations may have an effect on UC or CD. I have seen some study results that show this to be the case. This time of year, in fact, is often among the worst for UC/CD sufferers. Might this be related to M. Paratuberculosis levels in dairy shown to be elevated during the spring and fall seasons when cows are under more stress in northern climates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:22:04 -0800 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Almond source Message-ID: <345A2FDC.7554@plinet.com> 10/31/97 From:Genemash@plinet.com To SCD-list@longisland.com Those of you looking for an inexpensive place to buy almonds, Costco sells a 2 pound bag for under $5.00 which is a lot less than the grocery store sells them for. The Corona grain mill that I bought a couple of weeks ago does a fine job in grinding them up to a fine powder. Co ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:02:45 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Sad news Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E0F@logixmail.saleslogix.com> As sad as this is Moira, you now have further proof that SCD is really, really helping your son. He'll get over this set back and make further progress. Keep on keeping on! pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary [SMTP:moira@megamed.com] > Sent: Friday, October 31, 1997 6:26 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Sad news > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I left my son with a respite worker who is from a company that > specializes > in special needs. > > I left very detailed written instructions and all the food was > prepared, all > on one special shelf in the fridge, etc. > > I came home and *none* of his SCD diet food was eaten. > > She gave him wheat cereal, milk, and two unripe bananas. > > I could have cried! > > I feel I can never leave him, not even for an hour. > > How much damage would this one incident do? > > I know he was making so much progress on the diet. > > When I came out he was zoned, off in his own world again completely. > > Help! > > Moira ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:02:44 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Another Survey Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1E0E@logixmail.saleslogix.com> John, Have you seen my posts on amalgams since this survey?? If not and if you are interested I'll send info to you about amlagams and root canals directly. Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: JOHN VERT [SMTP:GOOMBADA@classic.msn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 4:03 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: Another Survey > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > pat, > i have at least 10 amalgams for over twenty years and a root > canal about 6 > years ago. > bye vert > ---------- > From: Pat Sullivan > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 12:54 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Another Survey > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I found the informal survey we did on colds and flu so interesting, I > hoped you all would not mind another informal survey... > > I am very interested to know how many you have dental mercury > amlagams? > > How many have the newer copper amalgams? > > How many have had root canals? > > How many have had amalagams but have had them removed? > > > Thanks very much for your reply. > > Pat > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 11:19:41 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) Subject: Re: Food Cost on SCD Message-ID: <9710311819.AA91352@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Initially it does seem that you spend more money on this diet. I also save by not going to restaurants (nice or junk). As well, when I go to the grocery store, I tend to bypass all the middle aisles since I only get meat, dairy, veggies and fruits, which saves time too ;) . Have you ever noticed that all the expensive stuff are in the middle aisles (and tax is charged on them). I spend less on medication, vitamins, ... Feeling good means no downtime from work (by using up vacation days if necessary). I look for bargains... large quatity of honey, case of Welch's grape juice, case of almond flour, ... In the long run, the cost is not much different. Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:00:13 -0700 From: "Linda " To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yoghurt: double boiler Message-ID: <88256541.0078D2B0.00@baxworld.com> My double boiler is NOT aluminum....won't cook in it. To each his own. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:11:24 -0700 From: "Linda " To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Cost on SCD Message-ID: <88256541.0079D4D9.00@baxworld.com> Denise, You made me hungry for split pea soup. It's one of my favorites too. Especially in the fall and winter....sticks to the ribs if you know what I mean. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:17:06 -0800 From: "paulah" <paulah@cmc.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Sad news Message-ID: <199710312226.OAA10361@mailhost.cmc.net> Moira, This also happened to my son this week. He is 13 yrs old and has Down Syndrome and is on the scd. They fed him cake at school in his home ec. class. The mental effects aren't so obvious to me, but he has sure let some noisy smelly ones rip, so hopefully they are suffering also for their mistake. Take heart, he will get better. Paula ---------- > From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Sad news > Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 5:26 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I left my son with a respite worker who is from a company that specializes > in special needs. > > I left very detailed written instructions and all the food was prepared, all > on one special shelf in the fridge, etc. > > I came home and *none* of his SCD diet food was eaten. > > She gave him wheat cereal, milk, and two unripe bananas. > > I could have cried! > > I feel I can never leave him, not even for an hour. > > How much damage would this one incident do? > > I know he was making so much progress on the diet. > > When I came out he was zoned, off in his own world again completely. > > Help! > > Moira ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:44:22 EST From: Kebridan <Kebridan@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Sad news Message-ID: <338a9dbc.345a6d29@aol.com> Moira, I have kids so I know how hard it is under any circumstances to completely control diet, especially with today being halloween! I really admire your effort and I hope you just continue on, no matter what little set backs you have. I made the chicken soup which my kids will not ordinarly eat because it has vegetables in it, but because the scd soup had the carrots grated up and the broth turned orange, I told them it was halloween soup and they all ate it! Even my eighteen year old son and his friends (well, they'll eat anything) so now I have to make more. You just keep plugging away, Moira - because I think it will be worth it. Take care, Jane. ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #86 ********************** SCD-list Sat, 1 Nov 1997 Volume 1 : Number 87 In this issue: Re: Re: barometric pressure Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Re: Smoking and UC Re: yoghurt: double boiler Re: initial resistance Re: barometric pressure Re: Sad news Re: Just Wondering. Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Re: initial resistance Re: Sad news Good news Re: initial resistance Juices Re: Re: Just Wondering. Re: barometric pressure Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article dry curd cottage cheese Re: Juices -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:26:55 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971031162655.0069ed88@smartt.com> At 09:39 AM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >xpect NO positive or negative affects on my Crohns from >my quitting smoking. I do, however, expect many positive impacts on my >overall health. > Yea, atleast it's just simple common sense to avoid it, right? I mean, what wild animals do you see who go out of their way to sniff into burning leaves? >Sidebar >Average life expectancy of a male smoker now 27 - 75 years >Average life expectancy of a male non-smoker now 27 - 77 years >not a big difference, eh? > > a) How do you explain those life expectancy figures? b) Do you actually believe ALE figures, ever? (whether they're re smoking or whatever) c) Did you know, FYI: the ALE of a Russian male is currently around 50? (Russky women around 60) supposedly due to alcoholism & smoking? (of course, they don't mention that they tend to get shot a lot, and eat some of the most shitty food you can ingest) ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:35:16 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: barometric pressure Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971031173516.00693adc@smartt.com> At 10:24 AM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Very interesting that you mention seasonal variations may have an effect on >UC or CD. I have seen some study results that show this to be the case. > This time of year, in fact, is often among the worst for UC/CD sufferers. > OK, can you pin it down? (Like: give a specific source?) >Might this be related to M. Paratuberculosis levels in dairy shown to be >elevated during the spring and fall seasons OK #2, can you pin THIS down, too? when cows are under more stress >in northern climates. > Good hypothesis. I like it. Now, if you could find actual ref's for the above 2 statements, that would be great! (By the way, Keith/Odd/Barb et al, is anyone making note of this, or we're just letting it mill our in our minds? I'm not too good on note-keeping myself) Dietmar > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:48:41 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971031174841.0069c07c@smartt.com> At 05:37 PM 10/31/97 +0000, you wrote: >Dempsey wrote: >> >> Keith, >> >> I too am very interested in the technical paper you have on "Intestinal >> Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease". I have had a problem with >> overgrowth of klebsiella and have had various auto-immune problems. I >> realize it could get very expensive for you if a lot of people are >> interested, I would be happy to reimburse you for copying and postage >> costs. Otherwise, if you could tell me where I might come across it on >> my own, I'd greatly appreciate it. > >Hello Denise, > >You're near CA's capital city, Sacramento, aren't you? > >I sent you the paper today. I hope it arrives okay. > >Don't worry about reimbursing me ... it cost me about $2.10 but if you >send cash, I can't spend it here in Europe, and if you send a check, the >bank will charge more than the face value to deposit it. Anyways, it's >not going to put me in the poor house :?) > >To tell true, I doubt very much that there will be a large demand for >this document. It's very technical so I don't suppose many other people >will want it. Only you, Odd, and Dietmar have asked for it so far but >maybe if there are a couple other requests, could I ask one of you to >copy your paper and mail it please? > 1) As Keith writes, it IS quite technical (ie. you have to really be conversant with medical lingo to get anything out of it ... i.e. if you don't know what "dysbiosis" means right off the batthen don't even bother asking for it, that's your first clue that you won't understand much in it) 2) Anyone living in Canada who wants a copy, you can ask me. 3) I would suppose (speaking for Denise here without having asked her permission) that she'd be OK with sending a coopy to anyone in Yankeeland once she receives her own? ... "Ask, and it shall be gotten unto you", or something like that? >Best wishes, > >Keith. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:26:17 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971031182617.0069e65c@smartt.com> At 10:33 PM 10/30/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>High incidence of Smoking CD sufferers and Low incidence of Non-smoking UC >>sufferers. Who said that? I missed it; I thought what I'd written was along the lines of "a study I've come across said that smoking resolves / reduces UC but does NOT make any improvement with CD ... you're saying the opposite (sort of, though not exactly)? >I have heard the theory that the pathogen responsible for the >>initial damage in UC and CD is identical. The bodies reaction to this >>pathogen (the immuno-response) differs based on the presence of nicotine in >>the system. >> That's one I'd not heard before, about the nicotine difference. >>I have been a smoker for 10 years. Diagnosed with CD 1 year ago today. >>Resection 4 weeks ago. SCDiet started this week. Ex-smoker for 28 days. > >To the Ex Smoker: > >Congratulations on the 28 days smoke free . The most difficult days are >behind you. The most treacherous days lies ahead. >I was 25 years a smoker, now 29 years EXsmoker. The best thing I ever did >was stop smoking. (Other than marrying my good wife. I had to say that. >She monitors these posts) Good for you! >William > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:10:42 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yoghurt: double boiler Message-ID: <19971031.182726.10446.0.rosset@juno.com> > >My double boiler is NOT aluminum....won't cook in it. To each his own. > >Linda > Hi Linda, I've been wondering for a long time if using a double boiler would eliminate the need to stir. Let us know how it goes once you use it. Thanks, Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:27:21 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: initial resistance Message-ID: <19971031.182726.10446.1.rosset@juno.com> Dear Jeff, I remember hearing your initial resistance and thinking you wouldn't last long. So I'm glad to hear you are adjusting to the new routine. I also didn't spend much time in the kitchen before scd. I can credit the diet for breaking my long standing restaurant habit. I was truly addicted to going out to dinner. So besides changing what I was eating, changing where I was eating was tough. Now I'm glad I enjoy eating at home. Your cooking skills should improve with time so you won't be needing to spend so much time in the kitchen. Congratulations! Lucy On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:02:07 -0800 jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bill and Group, > >I guess in the world of microwaves fax machines and e-mail, thirty >minuts 2-3 times a week appears to be a large commitment of time. My >guess is that some of us spend more time with our yogurtmakers than >with >our significant others. HOWEVER......if this is the commitment that is >needed so be it..... >You are hearing what I think is my initial resistance to a new time >consuming thing in my life (I've been averaging 10 hours in the >kitchen >each week on the SCD, compared to half an hour before diet) > >Anyway, I know it's worth the effort; I am seeing results, and am >quite >satisfied and hopeful with things thus far...... > >I appreciate all the "little" tips that are sent our way.....please >keep >'em comin'... > >jeff > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:47:23 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: barometric pressure Message-ID: <199711010517.VAA13021@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> > > (By the way, Keith/Odd/Barb et al, is anyone making note of this, or we're > just letting it mill our in our minds? I'm not too good on note-keeping > myself) > > Dietmar I have so many notes now that I think I can consider myself 'Intestinally obsessed'. Barb <overstuffing the C: Drive........again> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:21:10 -0700 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Sad news Message-ID: <01bce653$ac636380$LocalHost@default> From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Friday, October 31, 1997 6:29 AM Subject: Sad news > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I left my son with a respite worker who is from a company that specializes >in special needs. > >I left very detailed written instructions and all the food was prepared, all >on one special shelf in the fridge, etc. > >I came home and *none* of his SCD diet food was eaten. > >She gave him wheat cereal, milk, and two unripe bananas. > >I could have cried! > >I feel I can never leave him, not even for an hour. > >How much damage would this one incident do? > >I know he was making so much progress on the diet. > >When I came out he was zoned, off in his own world again completely. > >Help! > >Moira Moira: Try to get some yoghurt into your son. William ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: EmmaLee987@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Just Wondering. Message-ID: <971031214614_85020379@mrin43.mail.aol.com> How do I get off this mailing list? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <971101005329_-1225004451@mrin38> Keith, Denise, Whomever, I too wd love a copy of this article. I'm very conversant with "disbiosis" and such as have been reading abt it re: my own intestinal problems of late. Plse let me know how I may get a copy. Also, I may have other articles I can send yr way on this. I just need to remember where I put them......Thanx, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 09:10:58 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: initial resistance Message-ID: <345B62A2.75689D45@snet.net> lucy, thanks for words of encouragement. my kitchen is small but my intent and optimism are big. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:25:48 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Sad news Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971101072333.2f27ebe4@megamed.com> William wrote: > >Moira: > >Try to get some yoghurt into your son. > >William > > Dear William, He is horribly allergic to dairy, I have held off so far on doing any of the yogurt or dry curd foods so far. Also, he does not tolerate nuts or eggs well. So far, we have been eating lots of fish, meat, veggies, etc. very little fruit, he has candida from years of antibiotics. Moira Also, I am already cooking/food processing it seems 24 hours a day. I have to do things one step at a time, like I would like to know how to make pemmican, for example, a very easy protein to digest. This is an all day project in itself. I can only do so much, I have two other kids. Already I am spending all my time in the health food store, buying veggies without pesticides. Then I come home and my neighbor has hired a pesticide service to spray his yard for 20 minutes, spewing out toxins all over my yard as well. Sometimes I get discouraged. Why do you think yogurt is so important??? Also, my own health is bad as I have spent 3 years at least chasing down therapies for my son, I am hoping this is going to get him better, it looks like it will. But I am very fatigued from years of stress over this. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:25:50 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Good news Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971101072335.2f27d810@megamed.com> >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Moira, >I have kids so I know how hard it is under any circumstances to completely >control diet, especially with today being halloween! I really admire your >effort and I hope you just continue on, no matter what little set backs you >have. I made the chicken soup which my kids will not ordinarly eat because it >has vegetables in it, but because the scd soup had the carrots grated up and >the broth turned orange, I told them it was halloween soup and they all ate >it! Even my eighteen year old son and his friends (well, they'll eat >anything) so now I have to make more. You just keep plugging away, Moira - >because I think it will be worth it. Take care, Jane. Thanks, Jane. The two therapists who worked with my son noticed a difference in him. I found out that the respite worker had given him not only 2 ripe bananas, but as much cereal and milk as he wanted. He was totally spacey and started spacing out on fans again. Gosh! Anyway, the good news is, he is back on the diet. I have a new respite worker for next Thursday and am praying she can just feed him what I have already prepared for him in the refrigerator. I am literally afraid to leave this house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:25:52 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: initial resistance Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971101072337.2f27e16e@megamed.com> Dear Lucy, My son is helping me in the kitchen. His favorite task is helping with green beans, he cuts off the ends (with a dull knife!) He also loves helping when I do the food processor, I let him turn it on for me. Somewhere I read that the average housewife used to spend 2 to 3 hours per day on food preparation. Now it is under 20 minutes. I think I am up to about 8 hours per day of food preparation--just kidding--but it seems like it by comparison. Bye bye Burger King. Moira ps Does anyone know where to get dry curd cottage cheese in the San Francisco Bay Area? Also, can a child have it who is allergic to dairy?? Are there any people here on the list who live in the Bay Area?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 06:50:59 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Juices Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971101074844.24b7571a@megamed.com> What do you guys think of juicing? I have been giving my son a juice of carrots, celery, and kale, diluted at least 50% with water. Moira ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <971101110446_-224484592@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-31 19:33:01 EST, you write: << c) Did you know, FYI: the ALE of a Russian male is currently around 50? (Russky women around 60) supposedly due to alcoholism & smoking? (of course, they don't mention that they tend to get shot a lot, and eat some of the most shitty food you can ingest) >> Did you also know that the ALE of Russian males has dropped by 5 years in the last 7 years? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:12:56 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Just Wondering. Message-ID: <l03010d01b0810577d27f@[206.112.46.10]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >How do I get off this mailing list? if you wanted to unsubscribe, you would send a message to SCD-request@longisland.com with no subject, and in the body, only the words unsubscribe & your email address ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:00:26 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: barometric pressure Message-ID: <971101110228_1079105423@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Careful What you ask for...Dietmar and Gang - I have isolated the research upon which I based my hypothoses. I have included links only, because the actual abstracts are lengthy. Hope this helps - and Dietmar - thanks for putting me to the test - I will be sure to cite from this point forward. These links are to Alan Kennedy's site which I take to be biased, although the research from which he draws his conclusions is legitimate. Jim << Very interesting that you mention seasonal variations may have an effect on >UC or CD. I have seen some study results that show this to be the case. > This time of year, in fact, is often among the worst for UC/CD sufferers. OK, can you pin it down? (Like: give a specific source?) <A HREF="http://i ol.ie/~alank/CROHNS/RESEARCH/MISC/season.htm">Seasonal change in the exacerbat ions of Crohn...</A> (http://iol.ie/~alank/CROHNS/RESEARCH/MISC/season.htm) >Might this be related to M. Paratuberculosis levels in dairy shown to be >elevated during the spring and fall seasons OK #2, can you pin THIS down, too? <A HREF="http://iol.ie/%7Ealank/CROHNS/RES EARCH/MILK/htfull.htm">IS900 PCR To Detect Mycobacterium Paratubercu...</A> (http://iol.ie/~alank/CROHNS/RESEARCH/MILK/htfull.htm) when cows are under more stress >in northern climates. Good hypothesis. I like it. Now, if you could find actual ref's for the above 2 statements, that would be great! Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:09:08 EST From: El1256 <El1256@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Intestinal Dysbiosis and the Causes of Disease" Article Message-ID: <4c4265ba.345b7017@aol.com> I also would like a copy of this article. Let me know how to get one. Thanks, Elizabeth W. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:52:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Robinson <tomr@vader.inow.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: dry curd cottage cheese Message-ID: <199711012052.MAA10389@vader.inow.com> > > Moira > > ps Does anyone know where to get dry curd cottage cheese in the San > Francisco Bay Area? Also, can a child have it who is allergic to dairy?? Are > there any people here on the list who live in the Bay Area?? > Moira, I'm in San Jose. I had a nearby PW store order me baker's cheese, which is another name for dry curd cottage cheese. I think most stores can order it for you. Tom Robinson -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Robinson <tomr@inow.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:13:38 -0800 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Juices Message-ID: <19971101.151342.10462.0.rosset@juno.com> >What do you guys think of juicing? I think juicing is great, and I drink mine full strength. Lucy I have been giving my son a juice >of >carrots, celery, and kale, diluted at least 50% with water. > >Moira > > ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #87 **********************
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