SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Sat, 25 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 80 In this issue: fibromyalgia Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey "Chide in private, praise in public" Re: Encourage me if you will..... Yogi was a Met Re: Encourage me if you will..... Re: personal messages Re: personal messages RE: Encourage me if you will..... Re: Why? Re: conversation is getting ugly Drilling filling.... then flushing? yogurt -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:00:31 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: fibromyalgia Message-ID: <345160CF.5661@pacbell.net> Hi Rachel -- everyone else too I guess, I'd originally intended to mail this post directly to you, Rachel, but it appears I sent it to the entire list :) -- About the dosages for the magnesium and malic acid for fibromyalgia, it depends on what brand of supplements you take. The ones I have, I take three pills a night before going to bed. This roughly amounts to the higher dose that is quoted here. >300 - 600 mg. magnesium >1200 - 1400 mg. malic acid By the way, the other thing I am currently taking is supplements of the amino acid, ornithine. It's supposed to boost human growth hormone production, which can help in stimulating the body's immune response. It's also supposed to help metabolize extra ammonia, which tends to be produced by the bad bacteria we tend to have if our bowels are out of whack. That's just an FYI. Denise ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:10:07 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971024231007.006bd11c@smartt.com> At 12:03 PM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dietmar , > Here is what you wrote since your memory is so short. >As I point out to my children people that feel the need to resort to four >letter words such as the one you chose WHAT "4-letter-word"? Geez, get off my case & get a life! If you can't hack even mild criticisms or insight, stay out of the center lane! I mean, give me a break, I really don't know what you keep harping about, I really don't. Now stop wasting my time ... please?! D >are merely showing a lack of >intelligence and class. > As to your polio reference my uncle suffers with this, I am rather glad my >generation missed having to deal with polio. > Kay > >---------- >> From: painsolv@smartt.com >> To: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Subject: Re: Additional conclusions re the "colds / flus" survey >> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 11:53 PM >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> At 08:28 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:15:42 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: "Chide in private, praise in public" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971024231542.006c07c4@smartt.com> At 11:43 AM 10/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hey Folks, > >Let's not blast each other over the net. > >If private issues need to be discussed, send a private email message to the >offender. Chucking spears at one another on the list isn't necessary. > >Chide in private and praise in public. > >Glenn > > I'll agree with that, EXCEPT if someone attacks me in public, I consider it fair to retaliate by the same avenue. When I originally replied to the flu shot item, I didn't have the intention to launch a specifically-targeted PERSONAL "attack", I sent the response publically because I felt another perspective needed to be publically aired. As of now, I'm not going to respond to any more correspondence, public or private, on this topic ... someone else is welcome to get their ass shot off from the hyper-sensitives whining about imaginary injustices. Dietmar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:01:52 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <345209E0.DACAEE68@snet.net> --------------B0E587F5A381AFB797559A84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, Once again, thanks for your response, and again for your accurate and clear ,answer. I'm one month into this "thing" and find ups and downs,probably like most of us. Last 3 days doing much better. Did 2 different things that I am aware of. 1-stopped nuts and nut flour breads, and 2-added homemade yogurt. However, sometimes I wonder if our ups and downs are purely/mostly a function of the 'healing process' and that perhaps, has little to do with what we eat; that maybe we attribute "the last food eaten" to be the offending/objectionable food. I think we may do this more than we realize. Do we know for example, how long it takes for an offending to affect us negatively" i.e. couldn't yesterday's chicken for lunch cause problems for us today, and NOT the nut flour we had for breakfast today? Yes, there are foods most of us wouls swear caused us grief;I don't doubt that. But, maybe there are other times we are just guessing, or wanting to believe or not believe in a given food at a given time. What do others think? Jeff --------------B0E587F5A381AFB797559A84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <FONT SIZE=+1>Dan,</FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=+1>Once again, thanks for your response, and again for your accurate and clear ,answer.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=+1>I'm one month into this "thing" and find ups and downs,probably like most of us.</FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=+1>Last 3 days doing much better. Did 2 different things that I am aware of. 1-stopped nuts and nut flour breads, and 2-added homemade yogurt.</FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=+1>However, sometimes I wonder if our ups and downs are purely/mostly a function of the 'healing process' and that perhaps, has little to do with what we eat; that maybe we attribute "the last food eaten" to be the offending/objectionable food. I think we may do this more than we realize. Do we know for example, how long it takes for an offending to affect us negatively" i.e. couldn't yesterday's chicken for lunch cause problems for us today, and NOT the nut flour we had for breakfast today?</FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=+1>Yes, there are foods most of us wouls swear caused us grief;I don't doubt that.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=+1>But, maybe there are other times we are just guessing, or wanting to believe or not believe in a given food at a given time.</FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=+1>What do others think?</FONT> <P><FONT SIZE=+1>Jeff</FONT></HTML> --------------B0E587F5A381AFB797559A84-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:09:37 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogi was a Met Message-ID: <34520BB0.2F5BE98F@snet.net> Joan I have just made 2 'batches' of yogurt withYogurtmet maker, and both came out well. half and half creamier and smoother than whole milk. Thanks for your help in this matter jg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:16:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <971025101610_-789942797@emout05.mail.aol.com> Jeff, I agree with you entirely. I also just started the diet and have come to the conclusion that if I follow it 100%, I'm going to stop trying to analyze "ups and downs" to the last food eaten. Well, I do admit I think fruit juices, even welch's grape cut in half, is a problem. Oh well, I'm trying! Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:38:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: personal messages Message-ID: <971025103815_1433241340@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Dan, All I know how to do is read a message and if there is something I want to say about that message - I hit reply, type my message, then hit send. I do not see how to cut and paste ( I've only done that when word processing). I also don't understand the part about including, or not including, a piece of a message that I'm responding too. Sorry I'm so computer illiterate, but I like participating and want to do it correctly. I'm on AOL if that makes a difference. Maybe someone could send me "baby step" directions. Thank-you, Jane P.S. I'll save the directions for the next idot who comes along. That way this group will have SOP for correct computer response! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:07:45 -0400 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: personal messages Message-ID: <199710251513.4657600@bedford.net> Ok, we already know that AOL mail sucks. I don't use that awful service for mail. But I do have it for other stuff. I have version 3.0 for windows 95. See the "Help-About American Online" menu selection to check your version. To reply without including anything: hit reply. To include a portion of the message you are replying to: 1. Move the cursor to the begining of the passage you want to quote. 2. Hold down the shift key and use the down arrow to "highlight" what you want to quote. ----or---- Press CTRL-A -- this highlights the whole damn message 3. Press reply. Now everthing that is highlighted will be in the new message. 4. Now edit the e-mail -- use the technique in #2 and press delete to delete large portions of text -- especially if the message you are replying to is very large. 5. Type your reply anywhere you want to in the body of the message. 6. Check your "To:" line -- are you sending to the correct people -- is it a personal message and the list address is in there. Just click on it and use arrow keys to delete the extra address or type in the address that you want. So far every time I've wanted to cut or copy and paste I've been able to do it. AOL stinks but you can absolutively posilutely use cut/copy/paste. However, when highlighting stuff in the original message, you can only copy, not cut -- in the edit menu, only copy is enabled, cut is not enabled. Keys -- or use the edit menu: Copy Ctrl-C Cut Ctrl-X Paste Ctrl-V Highlight All Ctrl-A ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:24:05 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1DAC@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Jeff, I think this is very good observation. I think often we are guessing and blaming our distress on the last thing we ate when it may not have been that at all. That's what makes this so much fun :-( Also, with myself when I have a major flare up, I fire a lot of different kinds of "bullets" and I I can tell that I am hitting something. The problem is knowing which bullets hit and which ones missed entirely. Those of us with a more patient personality probably do better identifying what really helps and what does not, through slow patient observation etc. I wish I was more like that. Give me a machine gun so I can fire more bullets! I am learning though! pat > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff goldschlager [SMTP:jlager@snet.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 1997 8:02 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... > > Dan, > Once again, thanks for your response, and again for your accurate and > clear ,answer. > I'm one month into this "thing" and find ups and downs,probably like > most of us. > Last 3 days doing much better. Did 2 different things that I am aware > of. 1-stopped nuts and nut flour breads, and 2-added homemade yogurt. > However, sometimes I wonder if our ups and downs are purely/mostly a > function of the 'healing process' and that perhaps, has little to do > with what we eat; that maybe we attribute "the last food eaten" to be > the offending/objectionable food. I think we may do this more than we > realize. Do we know for example, how long it takes for an offending to > affect us negatively" i.e. couldn't yesterday's chicken for lunch > cause problems for us today, and NOT the nut flour we had for > breakfast today? > Yes, there are foods most of us wouls swear caused us grief;I don't > doubt that. > But, maybe there are other times we are just guessing, or wanting to > believe or not believe in a given food at a given time. > What do others think? > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 97 12:47:44 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Why? Message-ID: <9710251847.AA87420@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Deanna > I eat .... peanut butter (natural), eggs (every now and then), > only acceptable cheeses (shredded), ... and fruit juice (unsweetened). Dont' be discouraged just yet, everyone prgresses at a different rate ..."your mileage may vary". Peanut butter should wait until later. As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, I found eggs and cheese to be a problem in the beginning. I was able to re-introduce them after 3 months. Eggs seemed ok in recipes at the beginning. I use Welch's grape juice and had no problem with IF I duluted it with an equal amount of water. As well, try making the "Jello" with unflavored gelatin. Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 97 13:07:46 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: conversation is getting ugly Message-ID: <9710251907.AA168426@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi group, > Chide in private and praise in public. Well said Glenn. Although I am going to say this for list.... Dietmar, and anyone else, who feels the need to use inappropriate language, your opinion means nothing when you can't express yourself without using offensive words. I am sure may others feel this way. Sure I occasionally use such words in private, however I don't use them at inappropriate places. And this *support* list is such a place. There are parents on this list who have kids with IBD, and I am sure they would like to be able to let their kids read messages from this list, without needing to censor things. It's always a good thing to read over your own message before sending it out. Thanks...Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:11:42 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Drilling filling.... then flushing? Message-ID: <34527CAE.917F9B31@snet.net> Re: Amalgam fillings and their effect on IBD So, has anyone out there had their fillings removed and seen improvement with their conditions? and Has anyone out there made an association between visiting the dentist and worsening of their condition i.e.they had some type of dental work done that caused mercury to be released and sometine afterward their condition exacerbated? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurt Message-ID: <971025162350_1757816204@emout05.mail.aol.com> does homemade yogurt stay only as long as the expiration date on the milk your using? Joan ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #80 ********************** SCD-list Sun, 26 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 81 In this issue: Re: yogurt Re: yogurt Jeff Fish recipe / Pumpkin season colds and flus Re: Encourage me if you will..... Re: personal messages tapioca orange stools Enzymes Re: personal messages Re: orange stools Re: tapioca Re: Virus warning (fwd) Re: Virus warning (fwd) Re: conversation is getting ugly -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:52:40 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yogurt Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971025165240.006c3e00@smartt.com> At 04:25 PM 10/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >does homemade yogurt stay only as long as the expiration date on the milk >your using? > >Joan > As far as I understand, no ... the fermentation of the milk sugar changes its characteristics, so (from personal experience) it stays good for at least 1 month inthe fridge (we make it by the gallon bucket, so that takes some time to get used up, and have never had a spoilage problem). Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:27:40 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yogurt Message-ID: <l03010d00b0784cc7256e@[206.112.46.18]> >does homemade yogurt stay only as long as the expiration date on the milk >your using? I'd say it stays about 10 days to 2 weeks Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:32:16 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Jeff Message-ID: <971025203139_-1092019493@emout12.mail.aol.com> Hi Jeff - i agree wholeheartedly. no sense in trying to figure out if something you ate gave you a reaction. there is so much going on at one time i think alot of it is cleansing. at least this is what i have found. your welcome for the yogurt tips. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:56:08 -0500 From: jhubbard@ghg.net (Joe Hubbard) To: 'SCDList' <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Fish recipe / Pumpkin season Message-ID: <01BCE192.03040080@max7-24.ghg.net> I have really enjoyed the recipes that are posted so I thought I would = add one I just found. It is from a book called "Fast and Delicious = Cookbook" by Rose Grant: Swiss Sole Roll-up 2 lbs sole or flounder (6 fillets) salt and pepper 1/2 tsp each tarragon and dill 6 slices of swiss cheese 8 oz tomato-mushroom sauce Parmesan cheese Season fillets with salt and pepper, tarragon and dill. Place slice of = cheese on fillet and roll up. Place seam side down in buttered baking = dish just large enough to hold fish (the rolls should be packed tightly = together). Top with tomato sauce. Bake at 350 degrees for 15 minutes. = Do not overcook. Sprinkle with parmesan cheese and bake 3 minutes = longer. Serves 6. =20 This is a really quick recipe and very tasty. I didn't have either = tarragon or dill so I used thyme. Also, the recipe calls for = tomato-mushroom sauce, but I just used tomato juice. I am sure you = could make your own thicker, tomato- mushroom sauce from the juice. Second subject: Pumpkin season!! I highly recommend the pumpkin = cookies and the pumpkin pie recipes in the Book. I actually got a = pumpkin from the store and cooked it and made my own mashed pumpkin. It = really wasn't that hard. The pumpkin cookies are very light and = delicious. The pie recipe is good (if you don't mind eating it without = crust or a spoonful or CoolWhip). At first the seasonings tasted very = strong, but after the pie was refrigerated for a day, all the flavors = seemed to mellow a bit. So for a bit of variety try some pumpkin = recipes while the pumpkins are plentiful. =20 Carla =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:40:20 -0500 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: new SCD <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: colds and flus Message-ID: <199710260141_MC2-252A-6A78@compuserve.com> Dietmar, My incidence of colds and flus is about the same now as it was before I was diagnosed with IBD-- one in the fall, one in the spring; sometimes I luck out and miss one. I haven't had the flu since the Hong Kong flu around 1969; I've been getting flu shots for the last 5 years (I work with a high risk population); been an IBD-er for about 3 years. Also, I wouldn't waste my time theorizing with such a small sample -- a handful of respondents out of thousands with IBD. Concluding, even tentatively, that "it appears" that we get less colds and flus than the general population is way premature! (<<if (as it appears) IBD'ers have the ability to decrease / prevent getting colds & flues>>) For more responses, why not try the IBD list, and the CCFA forum? John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 0:47:01 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <9710260647.AA30948@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Jeff, Jane and Pat, Jeff wrote... > However, sometimes I wonder if our ups and downs are purely/mostly a > function of the 'healing process' and that perhaps, has little to do > with what we eat; that maybe we attribute "the last food eaten" to be > the offending/objectionable food. Jane wrote... > I agree with you entirely. I also just started the diet and have come > to the conclusion that if I follow it 100%, I'm going to stop trying > to analyze "ups and downs" to the last food eaten. Pat wrote... > I think this is very good observation. I think often we are guessing > and blaming our distress on the last thing we ate when it may not have > been that at all. That's what makes this so much fun :-( You are all correct. I also believe (as I have mentioned on this list) that even when following the diet 100%, offending foods can be found by only introducing one new food at a time. If you stick to the same foods, doing well with them, introduce a new food for 1-3 days, you will notice if there is a difference ...positive or negative. This is why I have taken a long time to vary what I am eating (as my previous message to Jeff showed). And why I have said that eggs and cheese did not do well in the beginning, however after getting better on the diet, they were successfully introduced after 3 months. I can now enjoy them daily. This is my experience on the matter. Hope it helps... Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 1:22:51 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: personal messages Message-ID: <9710260722.AA128756@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Jane (and any other new people ...) > All I know how to do is read a message and if there is something I want to > say about that message - I hit reply, type my message, then hit send. That's fine. You can then delete the lines which are not necessary. Either pointing your mouse to the end of where you want to delete and continously press 'backspace' key...not recommended, very slow. Or as Bill said... >> 1. Move the cursor to the begining of the passage you want to quote. >> 2. Hold down the shift key and use the down arrow to "highlight" >> what you want to quote. Bill also mentions "hot" keys for cut and paste. >> Keys -- or use the edit menu: >> >> Copy Ctrl-C >> Cut Ctrl-X >> Paste Ctrl-V I find that most all windows programs also accept the following, which I find these easier to remember. Copy Ctrl-Insert Paste Shift-Insert Cut Shift-Delete > Sorry I'm so computer illiterate, ... Don't worry about it, we all had to start sometime. My message was not intended to make anyone feel illiterate, simply to help understand. In a few months I am sure you will have the hang of this "computer stuff", and be teaching others how to do it ;) > Maybe someone could send me "baby step" directions. Thank-you, If you (or anyone else) need more on this subject, email me directly. Thanks... Dan. P.S. Thanks Bill for your response to help Jane. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:37:35 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: tapioca Message-ID: <971026093735_1534084133@mrin43.mail.aol.com> does anyone know if tapioca is a grain? Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 06:41:50 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: orange stools Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971026073937.235f4a48@megamed.com> My son's stools are quite orange. Yes, he has been drinking carrot juice, but not THAT much. He is getting tired of chicken soup. Any other suggestions of easy to digest foods?? Moira ps Are there any other fresh juices I could make that don't have carrot as a base? I am just starting to get into juicers, as well as food processors!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 06:44:11 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Enzymes Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971026074159.20ef4198@megamed.com> Can you take enzymes on this diet? If so, which ones? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: JARN3000@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: personal messages Message-ID: <971026095552_-2145580528@emout11.mail.aol.com> Dear Bill -- Thank you so much for the AOL primer! I needed that! Another AOL computer-illiterate, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 07:57:12 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: orange stools Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971026075712.006a3cdc@smartt.com> At 06:41 AM 10/26/97 -0800, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >My son's stools are quite orange. > >Yes, he has been drinking carrot juice, but not THAT much. > I guess "not THAT much" is a relative term, relative to how healthy one is. If his stool is truly orange, not yellow-ish, well, there are no other sources I can think of for that colour, and the body does not produce that colour as far as I know. So that leaves ...? In my own experience, juicing is tricky: are you diluting it at least half with clean water? Juice "straight up" is too harsh & concentrated for the system to handle, esp. when one has active IBD. And are you using ice or very-cold water from the fridge? Don't! You might want to switch to making carrot soup insted of juicing: it's warm (which is better on the system), and it will have the fibre instead of being stripped-down & dumping a lot of pure, concentrated carbo's into the system. >He is getting tired of chicken soup. Any other suggestions of easy to digest >foods?? > Also pureed, cooked veggies, sort of like babyfood. >Moira > >ps Are there any other fresh juices I could make that don't have carrot as a >base? I am just starting to get into juicers, as well as food processors!! > > Apple. But I'd really, honestly, not make juicing a great part of the SCD program. Better to eat them cooked & pureed, esp. at the start. > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: Denali321@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: tapioca Message-ID: <971026114454_504939175@mrin44.mail.aol.com> My understanding is that tapioca is not a grain. It is, however, a starch and is illegal on the SCDiet. Refer to page 58 of the 1994 revised version of BTVC:IHTD. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:25:37 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus warning (fwd) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971026092537.006aba2c@smartt.com> >Posted: Fri, 24 Oct 97 3:20:02 EDT > > >VIRUS WARNING!!! VIRUS WARNING!!! VIRUS WARNING!!! 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This virus is one of the MOST DANGEROUS yet unleashed on the >computing >public! > >INTERNET EXPLORER 4.0 is known to have the following horrible effects on >infected computers: > > * It WASTES an incredible amount of HARD DISK SPACE, space which >could > otherwise be used for productive applications > > * It causes the infected computer's performance to be DRASTICALLY > REDUCED--Pentium machines which are stricken are known to slow down > to the speed of a 486 > > * It surreptitiously MODIFIES the underlying operating system, >causing > the CORE FUNCTIONALITY of the instrument to change RADICALLY > > * It, through the use of Trojan-like ALTERATIONS to the core Java > APIs, may cause Java applets to MALFUNCTION. These effects are so > SEVERE that the designers of Java, Sun Microsystems, are taking >LEGAL > ACTION against the inventors of this terrible virus > > * It, once installed, is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the average user to > remove from the system > > * It is known to create SECURITY HOLES, which can allow unknown users > to DELETE or DESTROY files on your hard drive > > * It is known to cause many popular and reliable Internet browsers, > such as NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR and NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR, to not >function > correctly > > * It is even known to infect NEWLY PURCHASED computers coming from > repuatable manufacturers like COMPAQ and DELL. These companies >have > so far been POWERLESS to prevent this virus from being installed on > the computers they sell. > > * It is known to be UNDETECTABLE by most virus-checking software > packages > > >The good news is that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT is currently investigating the >rogue hackers who CONCOCTED this destructive virus. They have been traced >to >a Seattle suburb, and may face fines of ONE MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY for the >pernicious manner in which this virus is being distributed. The bad news >is >that millions of computers have ALREADY BEEN INFECTED. The inventors of >this >virus even have the gall to gleefully BOAST about this terrible fact on >their >web site! > >Here's what YOU can do: > >1) If you see a website with the "Internet Explorer" logo, do **NOT** > click on the logo. This can cause this virus to be DOWNLOADED and > INSTALLED on your system! > >2) If your computer is ALREADY INFECTED, and it's a Windows-based PC, > call the technical support hotline at Microsoft (the company which > wrote Windows), and ask them for instructions on how to DISABLE and > REMOVE this virus. They should have instructions to do so. > >I apologize for the URGENT TONE of this message, but only if we WORK >TOGETHER >can the spread of the dreaded INTERNET EXPLORER 4.0 virus be slowed or >stopped. > >-- >Selected by Jim Griffith. MAIL your joke (jokes ONLY) to funny@clari.net. >If you see a problem with an RHF posting, reply to the poster please, >not to us. Ask the poster to forward comments back to us if this is >necessary. >For the full RHF guidelines, see http://comedy.clari.net/rhf/ >-- >please send return email to: Paul_Graham@mindlink.bc.ca > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:26:07 -0800 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Virus warning (fwd) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971026092607.006abcac@smartt.com> >Posted: Fri, 24 Oct 97 3:20:02 EDT > > >VIRUS WARNING!!! VIRUS WARNING!!! VIRUS WARNING!!! VIRUS WARNING!!! > >Dear Internet user, > >It seems that the destructive minds who like to invent computer viruses >have >struck again. A new virus, popularly known as INTERNET EXPLORER 4.0, has >been propogating the Net for several weeks now. MILLIONS of computers have >been infected by this insidious virus (mostly PCs, and a few Macintoshes as >well.) This virus is one of the MOST DANGEROUS yet unleashed on the >computing >public! > >INTERNET EXPLORER 4.0 is known to have the following horrible effects on >infected computers: > > * It WASTES an incredible amount of HARD DISK SPACE, space which >could > otherwise be used for productive applications > > * It causes the infected computer's performance to be DRASTICALLY > REDUCED--Pentium machines which are stricken are known to slow down > to the speed of a 486 > > * It surreptitiously MODIFIES the underlying operating system, >causing > the CORE FUNCTIONALITY of the instrument to change RADICALLY > > * It, through the use of Trojan-like ALTERATIONS to the core Java > APIs, may cause Java applets to MALFUNCTION. These effects are so > SEVERE that the designers of Java, Sun Microsystems, are taking >LEGAL > ACTION against the inventors of this terrible virus > > * It, once installed, is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the average user to > remove from the system > > * It is known to create SECURITY HOLES, which can allow unknown users > to DELETE or DESTROY files on your hard drive > > * It is known to cause many popular and reliable Internet browsers, > such as NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR and NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR, to not >function > correctly > > * It is even known to infect NEWLY PURCHASED computers coming from > repuatable manufacturers like COMPAQ and DELL. These companies >have > so far been POWERLESS to prevent this virus from being installed on > the computers they sell. > > * It is known to be UNDETECTABLE by most virus-checking software > packages > > >The good news is that the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT is currently investigating the >rogue hackers who CONCOCTED this destructive virus. They have been traced >to >a Seattle suburb, and may face fines of ONE MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY for the >pernicious manner in which this virus is being distributed. The bad news >is >that millions of computers have ALREADY BEEN INFECTED. The inventors of >this >virus even have the gall to gleefully BOAST about this terrible fact on >their >web site! > >Here's what YOU can do: > >1) If you see a website with the "Internet Explorer" logo, do **NOT** > click on the logo. This can cause this virus to be DOWNLOADED and > INSTALLED on your system! > >2) If your computer is ALREADY INFECTED, and it's a Windows-based PC, > call the technical support hotline at Microsoft (the company which > wrote Windows), and ask them for instructions on how to DISABLE and > REMOVE this virus. They should have instructions to do so. > >I apologize for the URGENT TONE of this message, but only if we WORK >TOGETHER >can the spread of the dreaded INTERNET EXPLORER 4.0 virus be slowed or >stopped. > >-- >Selected by Jim Griffith. MAIL your joke (jokes ONLY) to funny@clari.net. >If you see a problem with an RHF posting, reply to the poster please, >not to us. Ask the poster to forward comments back to us if this is >necessary. >For the full RHF guidelines, see http://comedy.clari.net/rhf/ >-- >please send return email to: Paul_Graham@mindlink.bc.ca > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:27:54 -0500 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: conversation is getting ugly Message-ID: <199710270032.4870100@bedford.net> > From: Daniel Woods <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: conversation is getting ugly > Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 2:07 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi group, > > > Chide in private and praise in public. > > Well said Glenn. > > Although I am going to say this for list.... > Dietmar, and anyone else, who feels the need to use > inappropriate language, your opinion means nothing when Personally, I feel that the most inappropraite language ever displayed on this list had no four letter words in it at all. Remember the break up of the maelstrom list? The childish behavoir of the leaders of the old and new lists was far more insulting to me than any for letter words I've ever heard. Kids hear four letter words every day. I'd rather let them read the occassional 4 letter word and know that is it clearly inappropriate, but in reality harmful to no one. The childish bickering and insults thrown during the breakup is an example of a social situation that cannot be easily defined as right or wrong to a child. The language was injurious, but it is more difficult to say why. What parent stood up in that situation? None did. I guarantee that a great many adults carry permanent scars from their childhood where some person criticized them without uttering a single four letter word. Anyway, where are all these so-called children? I've never seen them write to the list. How many are out there? Why don't we just recognize that there are some young adults out there, and that none of them are offended by swearing, but their prudish parents are? So for their sakes, the young human beings who need our support, we should watch our language. Bill ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #81 ********************** SCD-list Mon, 27 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 82 In this issue: Re: conversation getting ugly Just Wondering. Re: enzyme supplements Re: Another Survey Re: Another Survey Re: Just Wondering. Re: enzyme supplements RE: Another Survey Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Re: BLUEBERRY LEMON MUFFINS RECIPE Re: Yogi was a Met -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 19:32:01 MST From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) Subject: Re: conversation getting ugly Message-ID: <9710270232.AA54400@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Bill, Yes, I agree that the bickering which occurred on the old list was a bigger problem. The reason I sent the post was not so much for Dietmar, but to make sure that others did not think it was acceptable behaviour on the list. I like the list as it is and no one should feel the need to express themselves that way. If I am wrong on this issue, I'd gladly bow to the majority. People can email me direct about this issue (good or bad). > Kids hear four letter words every day. Of course, however how many parents let them use the language in front of them ? If a child uses such language and a parent says nothing, does that not tell the child it is acceptable ? I am not saying that anyone on the list is childish, but I think you get the point ;) (I hope). On this list it is acceptable to talk about D. and BM, etc. Of course it is common practice that we use these short forms instead of the long form, mostly out of convenience. If we used them on a different type of support list, some could be offended. Living with IBD has forced many of us to get over our skirmish attitudes towards this private issue. I lived with D. for a year and lost weight before I would finally go see a doctor. > Why don't we just recognize that there are some young adults > out there, and that none of them are offended by swearing, > but their prudish parents are? Just for the record, I have an 18 month old and another on the way. So the message I wrote was not intended to apply to me (at this point anyways). And as I mentioned in my post, I do occasionally use those words in private... so I am by no means prudish. I simply restrain myself from using them in public. Hope this clarifies what I wrote. :) Thanks... Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:06:05 -0700 From: "David E. Watts" <dewatts@telusplanet.net> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Just Wondering. Message-ID: <01BCE24A.9AD2E120.dewatts@telusplanet.net> I picked up the book "Breaking the ..." and it mentioned this address as the chat site. Well, I'm quite sure this is an email address, and is not a chat site per say. If this was an error on the insert, could you advise? David. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:31:54 -0500 (EST) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: enzyme supplements Message-ID: <971026222643_-2113162941@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi Annie, Welcome! I've only been here a few weeks myself and am still tinkering with the scd diet in hopes it will work for me. In that light, re: your question about enzymes, I can tell you they are by a company named Vitamost, out of Ontario, Canada and the specific one I take is their "Dygest" formulation, which is a mix of hydrocloric acid, bile and some other "natural" digestive enzymes. But you can get such enzymes at just about any healthfood store. I got mine from Vitamost simply cuz I'm working with a nutritionist who knows their products and recommended them. I don't know yet whether they're helping me or not; only been on them a few days. I'll keep you posted. Re: Lois Lang bread: I can't tolerate it yet, whatever the taste, cuz I can't digest even the dry curd cttge chse, so I'm not making it anymore. Maybe later????? Hope this helps. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:32:21 -0500 (EST) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <971026223220_-392411659@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Hi Pat, I have several amalgams and three or four crowns (porcelain, I think, but they might be porcelain-covered gold). My amalgams are quite old. I am being tested for heavy metals because they are a concern. None removed yet. But my M.D., who is a specialist in Environmental Medicine, told me he's aware of about a group of about 400 patients who had their amalgams out. About 33% were "significantly" improved in health as a result, but the other 2/3'rds were only marginally so or reported no discernible improvement. Interesting... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Another Survey Message-ID: <971026223348_1278765714@mrin46.mail.aol.com> Pat, In my last e-mail, I neglected to comment on root canals. I have had one, which was excrutiatingly painful, about 8 yrs ago. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:27:10 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Just Wondering. Message-ID: <l03010d00b07a37a0729d@[206.112.46.25]> Dear David, This is a forum where people who are on, or who wish to attempt the SCD can come for support. By writing to this address, your letter reaches approximately 130 people and a lot of us share ideas for coping with the illnesses described in the book. Please feel free to ask any questions or to contribute any ideas on this subject. We are here to learn from, and to support each other in our quest for good health. Occasionally, the subject strays because you can't have this many people and not have conflicting veiws, but cool heads usually bring the subject back to it's purpose. Welcome & good luck. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:52:28 -0400 From: aculverh@engin.umich.edu (Annie Culverhouse) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: enzyme supplements Message-ID: <v02110100b07a3ecb0bba@[141.213.25.73]> Thanks, Liz, on the enzymes. I'll check the company out. -Annie >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Annie, Welcome! I've only been here a few weeks myself and am still >tinkering with the scd diet in hopes it will work for me. In that light, re: >your question about enzymes, I can tell you they are by a company named >Vitamost, out of Ontario, Canada and the specific one I take is their >"Dygest" formulation, which is a mix of hydrocloric acid, bile and some other >"natural" digestive enzymes. But you can get such enzymes at just about any >healthfood store. I got mine from Vitamost simply cuz I'm working with a >nutritionist who knows their products and recommended them. I don't know yet >whether they're helping me or not; only been on them a few days. I'll keep >you posted. >Re: Lois Lang bread: I can't tolerate it yet, whatever the taste, cuz I >can't digest even the dry curd cttge chse, so I'm not making it anymore. > Maybe later????? Hope this helps. Liz Annie Culverhouse Program Coordinator Center for Professional Development 273 Chrysler Center Ann Arbor MI 48109-2092 ph: 313/647-7187 fax: 313-647-7182 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:23:58 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Another Survey Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1DB4@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I agree it is interesting but perhaps not suprising. Mercury builds up in the tissues of the body including the brain. Some people have greater ability to excrete mercury than others. Dr. Hal Huggins, in his book, "It's all in Your Head" talks a lot about why some people recover quickly after having their mercury amalgams out, and others much more slowly. Mostly, it has to do with differences in body chemistry. He actually has gotten to the place where he can pretty well predict who will recover rapidly and who will recover slowly just by looking at someones blood work. I had my amalgams out 10 years ago. I had many amalgams. I did feel some better but not dramatic improvement. Now, after reading Huggins book and comparing my blood chemistry to what he talks about in his book, I see why. I fit his profile for slow recovery pretty much dead on. Until the body is helped to get rid of the mercury built up in the tissues, people will not feel all that much better. In addition, as a result of reading Hal Huggins book, I was introduced to another book called, "Root Canal Cover Up" by Dr. George Meinig, who was a founder of the Association of Endodontists who specialize in doing root canals. This book is extremely enlightening. It covers a ton of research showing conclusively how root canals can actually be the cause of many degenerative diseases including GI diseases. This research has, unfortunately, been sucessfully covered up for decades. Dr. Meinig, discovered this info in the associations library and was stunned, as he had been doing root canals for many decades. To his credit, he actually studied this research and was convinced that what he had been doing was wrong. He is now dedicated to informing the public and the medical, dental communities about this information. If you have root canals, or have had a lot of dental problems in the past, I highly recommend that you read this book and at least consider the research that was done by over 60 researchers including the now famous Dr. Mayo. The book can be found at Hugnet.com or perhaps Amazon.com. Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: HEBERT2@aol.com [SMTP:HEBERT2@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 1997 8:32 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Another Survey > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Pat, I have several amalgams and three or four crowns > (porcelain, I > think, but they might be porcelain-covered gold). My amalgams are > quite old. > I am being tested for heavy metals because they are a concern. None > removed > yet. But my M.D., who is a specialist in Environmental Medicine, told > me > he's aware of about a group of about 400 patients who had their > amalgams out. > About 33% were "significantly" improved in health as a result, but > the other > 2/3'rds were only marginally so or reported no discernible > improvement. > Interesting... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:00:59 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <8825653D.0066D539.00@baxworld.com> Laurie, Thanks for the blueberry muffin recipe. I will try them this week. And thanks for the information regarding the rising difference between baking soda and powder. I read on the SCD Web Library that we can make our own baking powder, is this true? From Web Page Under Advice Concerning Oils, Spices, Etc. Baking Soda >Subject: Re: baking soda? > >>Hi, >> >>my name is Miroslav and I live in Germany. I have got a copy of the >>"Specific Carbohydrate Diet" and studied the recipies. For some of the >>breads "baking soda" as opposed to "baking powder" is required and I >>don`t know what "baking soda" is as it is translated in the dictionary >>the same way as "baking powder". I would be grateful if anyone helped me >>explaining what "baking soda" is. >> >>Sincerely >>Miroslav Hi there Miroslav, Baking Soda is different to baking powder. Baking Soda is Sodium Bicarbonate alone. Baking Powder is a mixture of 1 part Sodium Bicarbonate and 2 parts Cream of Tartar. You can mix up your own and avoid harmful additives and starches that are also added to make it free-running. mix together and store in an airtight glass jar. regards Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:04:33 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: BLUEBERRY LEMON MUFFINS RECIPE Message-ID: <8825653D.006884C0.00@baxworld.com> Laurie, Thanks for the Blueberry Lemon Muffin recipe. I will try to make them this week. Also, thanks for the information on rising differences between baking soda and baking powder. I read on the SCD Web Library that we can make our own baking powder. Does anyone out there know if this is true? I would appreciate knowing if we can make our own and if anyone has found they get better results? Thanks, Linda ========================================================================== From the Web Library under Advice Concerning Oils, Spices, etc.: Baking Soda >Subject: Re: baking soda? > >>Hi, >> >>my name is Miroslav and I live in Germany. I have got a copy of the >>"Specific Carbohydrate Diet" and studied the recipies. For some of the >>breads "baking soda" as opposed to "baking powder" is required and I >>don`t know what "baking soda" is as it is translated in the dictionary >>the same way as "baking powder". I would be grateful if anyone helped me >>explaining what "baking soda" is. >> >>Sincerely >>Miroslav Hi there Miroslav, Baking Soda is different to baking powder. Baking Soda is Sodium Bicarbonate alone. Baking Powder is a mixture of 1 part Sodium Bicarbonate and 2 parts Cream of Tartar. You can mix up your own and avoid harmful additives and starches that are also added to make it free-running. mix together and store in an airtight glass jar. regards Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:32:32 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogi was a Met Message-ID: <8825653D.006B230D.00@baxworld.com> jg, I just made a batch with a new Yogourmet also with half and half. Mine is so creamy it reminds me of sour cream, but quite tart like yogurt. Would that accurately describe the texture of yours? I let mine incubate for about 30 hours. I used a commercial yogurt as starter. I just bought a Yogourmet starter to use on the next batch. Linda ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #82 ********************** SCD-list Tue, 28 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 83 In this issue: Re: Yogi was a Met mercury Re: mercury RE: mercury Re: mercury RE: mercury Re: Yogi was a Met RE: Smoking and UC Yogurt, the untold stories -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:35:31 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogi was a Met Message-ID: <345587B3.E7A35673@snet.net> --------------C8D38C1019481F7D653C2100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, Indeed I did use half&half to make yogurt. Also used the Yogurtmet starer, and yes it did come out creamy, delicious and if I must say so myself, a thing of beauty. (no i'm not getting a kick-back from the yogurtmet people!) Have you used coomercial yogurt as starter?. If so which one? Also Linda, I'm trying to streamline the process, as I don't like spendimg my entire morming in the kitchen.....SO.....are there any hints you can pass along? Times to boil and cool? do you cool in fridge? thanks..... Jeff --------------C8D38C1019481F7D653C2100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> Linda, <P>Indeed I did use half&half to make yogurt. Also used the Yogurtmet starer, and yes it did come out creamy, delicious and if I must say so myself, a thing of beauty. (no i'm <B>not</B> getting a kick-back from the yogurtmet people!) <P>Have you used coomercial yogurt as starter?. If so which one? <P>Also Linda, I'm trying to streamline the process, as I don't like spendimg my entire morming in the kitchen.....SO.....are there any hints you can pass along? Times to boil and cool? do you cool in fridge? <P>thanks..... <P>Jeff</HTML> --------------C8D38C1019481F7D653C2100-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: mercury Message-ID: <971028005126_-1795896942@mrin40.mail.aol.com> hold on a sec! want to re-focus some things. statistics show a certain percentage of people experiencing significant improvement and a certain percentage that takes awhile to feel better after removing mercury? i just saw dr. lee in phoenix and i was a little concerned that i would be one of those people retaining the mercury and a harder case to treat. BOTH him and his assistant immediately said "the dmps pushes will get it out" and not to worry about retaining it. their response to my statement was very immediate. also, how many people have their mercury fillings removed and havent chelated it out? Pat, you were one of them. you are just now chelating it. i would be very much interested on your progress NOW. also, i believe there are quite a few that make enough progress to where "this is good enough for them." and dont continue with improving their status. also, how many people are removing their fillings without going to a dentist who addresses cavitations? those dentists are out there. i believe the cavitations are more of a problem to me than the mercury itself. even tho its the mercury causing the cavitations. just something to think about. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:13:55 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: mercury Message-ID: <l03010d00b07bbcad0dff@[206.112.46.14]> even tho its the mercury causing the cavitations. Dear Joan, What are cavitations? I work as an office manager for a dental practice. All the information I've gotten points to this whole amalgam thing being a hoax which is additionally perpetrated by unscrupulous dentists who can turn a quick buck by replacing them with more expensive composite (white) restorations which are fine on anterior (front, non chewing) teeth, but leak and don't stand up well to chewing and eventually become sensetive. I've also been told that disturbing old amalgam fillings by removing them causes dormant mercury to actively enter the system. Of course since my source of information is primarily the american dental association, I take this information with a grain of salt and beleive the truth to lie somewhere in the middle of this controversy. Before you all start chewing me up, let me just say that all I'm doing, is passing along information I've been given, that should be evaluated before you all go ripping old fillings out of your face. Peace, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:39:06 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: mercury Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1DC4@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Joan, Don't know the answer to your questions except to say that for me it is too early to tell as the dentist only did a DMPS challenge test to try to determine the level of mercury in the body tissues. that test is not yet back. I do know that I have read that there can be side affects ( why do there always have to be side affects?) to the use of DMPS and DMSA, another mercury chelating drug (amino acid). I know that Dr. Hal Huggins, in his book, "It's All in Your Head", does not mention once the use of DMPS. I don't know why this is?? I do hope to find out today though as I have a phone consultation scheduled with a Dr. from his clinic. I also know that he does recommend the use of DMSA on his web site as a great way to get mercury out of the brain, but not in the high dosages-short durations, usually prescribed, but rather in low dosages over long durations (1-2 years). He says this is more effective and much easier on the patient! I have never read where mercury causes cavitations? Where did you learn this?? I would think that if you have both then both need to be dealt with?? Perhaps I'll have some answers later. If so, you can be sure I'll let you and the group know. > -----Original Message----- > From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com [SMTP:SHADOWPUP@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 10:51 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: mercury > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > hold on a sec! want to re-focus some things. > > statistics show a certain percentage of people experiencing > significant > improvement and a certain percentage that takes awhile to feel better > after > removing mercury? i just saw dr. lee in phoenix and i was a little > concerned > that i would be one of those people retaining the mercury and a harder > case > to treat. BOTH him and his assistant immediately said "the dmps pushes > will > get it out" and not to worry about retaining it. > their response to my statement was very immediate. > > also, how many people have their mercury fillings removed and havent > chelated > it out? Pat, you were one of them. you are just now chelating it. i > would be > very much interested on your progress NOW. also, i believe there are > quite a > few that make enough progress to where "this is good enough for them." > and > dont continue with improving their status. also, how many people are > removing > their fillings without going to a dentist who addresses cavitations? > those > dentists are out there. i believe the cavitations are more of a > problem to me > than the mercury itself. even tho its the mercury causing the > cavitations. > > just something to think about. > > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:17:16 -0800 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: mercury Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971028111521.281fd00e@megamed.com> At 11:13 AM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >even tho its the mercury causing the cavitations. > >Dear Joan, >What are cavitations? I work as an office manager for a dental practice. >All the information I've gotten points to this whole amalgam thing being a >hoax which is additionally perpetrated by unscrupulous dentists who can >turn a quick buck by replacing them with more expensive composite (white) >restorations which are fine on anterior (front, non chewing) teeth, but >leak and don't stand up well to chewing and eventually become sensetive. >I've also been told that disturbing old amalgam fillings by removing them >causes dormant mercury to actively enter the system. Of course since my >source of information is primarily the american dental association, I take >this information with a grain of salt and beleive the truth to lie >somewhere in the middle of this controversy. Before you all start chewing >me up, let me just say that all I'm doing, is passing along information >I've been given, that should be evaluated before you all go ripping old >fillings out of your face. >Peace, Rachel > > > Dear Rachel and List, There is a discussion list called AMALGAMS which discusses this topic, I heard about it from Vicki Westlund, I'd love to get on that list. BTW, do you guys take enzymes on the SCD diet, and if so, do you take vegetarian or other types?? Also, do you take psyllium for fiber? Thanks, Moira ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:28:17 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: mercury Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1DC8@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Rachel, Don't want to rip you as I appreciate info from both sides of the issue. However, this is the standard ADA response that all dentists have ben taught to respond with. Usually, they have a brochure that they can hand out from the ADA that has this response in it. If mercury was, in fact, conclusively found and admitted by the ADA to be toxic, imagine the litigation that would result. Might make the tobacco litigation look small. In fact, the ADA's response sounds surprisely similar to tobacco's claims that nicotine isn't addictive and that smoking does not cause cancer. They, until just recently, have been saying this for many decades!! It shocked me to learn that when the ADA assures us that it is safe, they never point to a single study that it is in fact safe. There has never been one "double blind" scientific study done or reported by the ADA proving mercury amalgams safety. Mercury Amlagams were grandfathered by the FDA because it has been used since the late 1800's. There is, however, a wealth of data, both scientific and anecdotal, that points to mercury amalgams as a significant health risk. The ADA never comments on this data. I suggest you get further info as suggested before here. "It's All In Your Head" Dr. Hal Huggins. BTW, all dentists remove old mercury amalgams all the time and replace them with new mercury amalgams. How do they prevent "dormant mercury" from entering the system then? And if mercury amalgams are safe, why do you and your dentist have to follow very strict guidleines for the handling of, and disposal of, this highly toxic substance. Oh well, enough. I am not trying to rip you, only trying to encourage you to dig a little deeper. Keep it quiet with your Dentist/Employer though, as it could cost you. If you are sick though, and don't have a rational explanation for why you are, I believe our amalgams is one place to at least consider. Perhaps you are right, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Fact is, that many people with strong healthy immune systems handle mercury amalgams and root canals just fine. Lots of people smoked 3 packs a day and lived to be a hundred too! It comes down to an individuals ability to handle toxic substances. Some can, some can't. Thanks for your post, Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Rachel Turet [SMTP:rachel@longisland.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:14 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: mercury > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > even tho its the mercury causing the cavitations. > > Dear Joan, > What are cavitations? I work as an office manager for a dental > practice. > All the information I've gotten points to this whole amalgam thing > being a > hoax which is additionally perpetrated by unscrupulous dentists who > can > turn a quick buck by replacing them with more expensive composite > (white) > restorations which are fine on anterior (front, non chewing) teeth, > but > leak and don't stand up well to chewing and eventually become > sensetive. > I've also been told that disturbing old amalgam fillings by removing > them > causes dormant mercury to actively enter the system. Of course since > my > source of information is primarily the american dental association, I > take > this information with a grain of salt and beleive the truth to lie > somewhere in the middle of this controversy. Before you all start > chewing > me up, let me just say that all I'm doing, is passing along > information > I've been given, that should be evaluated before you all go ripping > old > fillings out of your face. > Peace, Rachel > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:11:05 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogi was a Met Message-ID: <8825653E.0073BF87.00@baxworld.com> Jeff, I don't remember the name of the yogurt I used. I will get the name for you and let you know. I bought it at the Whole Foods Market. This process has worked for me. My husband and I attend a meeting every Thursday night, so when I get home from work I boil the milk. Then I put the milk in the refrigerator while we are at our meeting, which lasts an hour. So when I get home about 8:45 pm I put the mixture in the Yogourtmet and let it run until I get home from work on Friday. I was using a regular saucepan to heat the milk, but I have scalded the milk before so I just bought a nice double boiler at Ikea. I haven't used it yet but I hope it will make the heating process not so tedious. My next project is to purchase some 8oz containers with reusable lids that I can dish up the prepared yogurt into with some fruit on the bottom. Maybe raisins, nuts and honey for instance. Then these can easily be packed in our lunch bags. Hope this helps. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 22:34:10 UT From: "JOHN VERT" <GOOMBADA@classic.msn.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Smoking and UC Message-ID: <UPMAIL03.199710282235410205@classic.msn.com> YEAH FIRST GOT UC IMMEDIATELY AFTER STOPPING SMOKING 6 YEARS AGO AND PUT IT INTO REMISSION FOR ABOUT 1YEAR AFTER STARTING SMOKING AGAIN 2YEARS AGO. IT'S BEEN OFF AND ON SINCE BUT MUCH LIGHTER. I PLAN ON PATCHING IT BECAUSE MY DOC WANTS ME TO QUIT AND I DON'T BELIEVE I SMOKE HEAVY ENOUGH TO GET ENOUGH NIC.YES I SHOUT ---------- From: Ted Kyle Sent: Friday, October 24, 1997 5:57 PM To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Smoking and UC -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- FYI it appears that UC sufferers are mostly non-smokers, has anyone tried nicotine gum or transdermal patches. according to one study the nicotine and predisone act the same way, with nicotine be about 50% effective compared to predisone. i dont know where MD's are on this, but it may be a choice between UC and nicotine for maintaining remission. there are about 57 articles on PubMed that discuss the use of nicotine in various colitis applications, either as a patch/gum/enema, with and without the use of 5-ASA drugs. it is interesting. ted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:31:22 -0800 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yogurt, the untold stories Message-ID: <34569FFA.91AA15BE@snet.net> linda, what is a double boiler? and yes your info was helpful. Do you take temperature of cooled yogurt (to determine if it is about 110deg.) before you add starter.? Jeff ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #83 **********************
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