SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Sun, 19 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 74 In this issue: Babaganoush Re: Stevia Incidence of colds / flu Re: Incidence of colds / flu RE: Food combination "Yeast Connection" Re: enemas Re: Incidence of colds / flu Re: The Spiritual Connection Re: Nausea yogurtmet Re: Incidence of colds / flu milk RE: Food combination RE: "Yeast Connection" RE: Nausea RE: Incidence of colds / flu Re: "Yeast Connection" Re: Incidence of colds / flu Re: Gummy Bears ... onward, Gummy soldiers! Re: Stevia computer psyllium Re: Yogourmet Re: Incidence of colds / flu fruit/juices/candida stevia Re: psyllium RE: psyllium -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:17:34 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Babaganoush Message-ID: <19971018.161815.10454.0.rosset@juno.com> Hi Steve, Your babaganoush (with red peppers) turned out great. Do you serve it with anything in particular? Also, can you tell us what is the ethnic origin of babaganoush? Thanks. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:55:21 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <l03010d01b06f0ad89e41@[206.112.46.20]> Per Elaine, the chemical structure of stevia is not allowed on the SCD. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:57:44 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971018165744.006a5b28@smartt.com> Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether they get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / acquaintances? Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:12:57 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <199710190235.TAA12768@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> > Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether they > get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / acquaintances? > > Dietmar I get fewer colds/flus than the others. I also don't take flu shots. Barb ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Home Office System Support Vancouver, B.C., Canada http://hoss.bc.ca ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:53:28 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combination Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971018175328.006aba6c@smartt.com> At 05:52 PM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I would love it if we could get Elaine to comment as she has studied the >effects of food on the intestine. I would love to know if she thinks >food combining is bunk! > >It occured to me that fruit, no matter when, and with what you eat it, >will move through the intestines at the rate of the slowest moving meal >that you ate. Why do you form that conclusion? They way my ND explained it was that each of the specific food groups (fruits , veggies, proteins, starches) required their own specific pH (acid/base balance) to be optimally digested. So if one mixes foods, esp. if one is ill, you're throwing foods into the mix that can't be optimally digested, thus you'll get fermentation or putrefaction (the former for fruits & starches, the latter for proteins) instead of optomal digestion. Another way of looking at it was a biochemist friend of mine; she explained that diff. foods require diff enzymes, and that the speed of digestion differs for each: carbo's are most-easily attacked by the enzymes, thus move fastest through the system, then follow proteins, and slowest are fats. So ideally one would eat carbo's (fruits & starches) first or by themselves, then proteins, then fats (though proteins & fats can be eaten together, which is of course how nature often packages them, since they're both much slower-movers). There are other theories of food combining, these are the 2 that make some sense to me. So maybe explain why you believe that "fruits should be eaten with the slowest-moving" meal (I presume you mean meal component,) thus, to "translate" your belief, one would eat fruit with proteins. This would run counter to all the food-combining protocols I've heard of (the exception being that one can eat ACID fruits, like grapefruit, with proteins). > So if you eat something the takes a long time to digest, >and it is in you intestines, then you eat fruit, it will still only >move through at the rate of the previous meal you ate. > The stomach and the bowels constantly churn & mix the "food" into a mixture called "chyme", but I believe there are 2 things that can then happen: either the chyme is "filtered" by metabolic processes so that easily-0digested food get the "green light" and are filtered out to "race ahead", or the mix sort of "glues them all together" which would then force the differently-digesting food to stay together, thus leading to putrefaction and/or fermentation (which are NOT desirable in the bowel!). I'd love to hear why you believe what you do ... >As I said previously, I am experimenting and so far have not found >myself bloating etc. Well, if you're basing it on personal experience, that of course is the most valid "proof of the pudding" ahead of any outsider's "theory"! Be true to yourself, you've heard of that, eh? >I wonder if the issue is really eating ANY kind of >food with complex carbos like bread. Maybe that's the key: my ND insists that all starches can only be eaten with fruits or veggies, thus, this is another way of saying "carbo's with carbo's", but not wit proteins. >I know, that I know, if I eat a >tuna fish sandwich, that the bread is going to cause me lots of >problems! Ah, see: "protein with carbo", thus not right for you!? >If I eat bread by itself, I am going to have problems Well, of course, Elaine says IBD'ers should stay away from ALL refined starches aka carbo's, right? Dietmar >. I'll >bet if I eat a bannana sandwich, I would feel real bad!! Perhaps fruit >has gotten a bum rap because people usually eat complex carbos with it, >bloat like crazy and blame the fruit!! It is a theory anyway. Any >experts wish to comment? Elaine?? > >pat > >> >> Pat, >> >> What a coincidence that you brought up the food combination issue. I >> was >> just thinking the same thing when I read about eating fruit with >> yougurt or >> cheese. According to books such as Fit For Life, and other ones I >> read, >> fruit should be eaten alone on an empty stomach 30 min. before a meal >> or 4-6 >> hours after a protein or starch meal. >> >> Like you said, the fruit requires minimal time to digest (20-45 >> minutes:dried >> fruit and bananas take 45 minutes) while proteins take about 4 hours. >> According to the literature, fruit that becomes trapped with other >> food in >> the stomach begins to ferment, potentially causing the entire contents >> to >> putrify and cause gas and bloating. OK, I know some of us can do >> without the >> excess gas ad bloating. Also, according the these authors, improper >> food >> combination can cause havoc on the digestive system and wear it down >> along >> with destroying the integrity of the food by fermenting it or causing >> it to >> putrify. So, what quality of nutrients are we absorbing then? >> >> I found that when I used to eat fruit at meals I used to develop >> terrible >> stomach aches which mistakenly I blamed the fruit and became afraid to >> eat >> them. After I found out about food combination, I ate fruit alone >> with no >> problem. >> >> Fruit also helps cleanse the intestines, and sometimes fruit reacts >> with >> remaining intestinal and stomach debris and cause some bloating. >> Otherwise >> there should be no problem. >> >> My question is, if so many nutritionists who study the effects of food >> on the >> digestive system individually state the same thing about food >> combination, >> then why hasn't Elaine mention it? I know we don't have to be >> concerned >> about combining starch with protein, but I am a little bit concerned >> about >> fruit and other foods. >> >> Those of you who read the recipes I posted noticed they are all from >> the Fit >> For Life Cookbook. All the fruit-based deserts contain nothing but >> fruit, >> nuts, seeds, honey, and nut milks which are digestively compatible. >> >> Any take on this? If anyone disagrees, remember I am just the >> messenger, so >> don't kill ME. >> >> Regards, >> >> Simone > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:54:14 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: "Yeast Connection" Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971018175414.006ad524@smartt.com> Has anyone in the group ever read this book? How does it tie in with Elaine Gottschall's ideas? Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:05:57 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: enemas Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971018180557.006b2944@smartt.com> So, Joan: What are the "colemas" (your term for "high colonics / enemas"?) that you found so effective made of? Any specific herbs or other substances? Dietmar At 06:27 PM 10/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >In Bill's response to Kay - right on Bill. I would have been dead by now had >it not been for colemas and further more, whether ANY of the people on the >scd diet want to admit it or not, this is exactly what they probably need. >the gut MUST be cleaned out before ANY pathogen is going to be dealt with. >healing the gut and cleaning the gut are two different things. if you heal >the gut and dont clean, i dont know how anyone can get well. if you clean the >gut and dont heal will promote the same outcome. > >Joan > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:31:45 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <l03010d02b06f2f8c3d9c@[206.112.46.20]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether they >> get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / acquaintances? >> >> Dietmar > >I get fewer colds/flus than the others. I also don't take flu shots. > >Barb Ditto, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:51:47 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com, "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> Subject: Re: The Spiritual Connection Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971018205147.006b20d4@smartt.com> Hi, Glenn: I read your e-mail with great interest. I've not met a similar person as your spiritual reader; I'm 42, never married & child-free, and have never been a "helper / minister" to others, but always beleived people need to stand up on their own two feet ... if they ASK for my help, I'll consider the request and may / may not help them depending on circumstances and what <<< I >>> decide. So, since this seems to not fit the pattern she describes as leading to Crohn's in your case, I guess that leaves the jury out on that one, eh? On the other hand, I have colitis, not Crohn's, so maybe her stuff doesn't apply to that? A good letter you wrote, in any case ... one just never knows. I've had a few "weird" experiences, and so has my mom (she only recently told me!), things we can't explain. I keep my decisions "un-decided" at this point. My attitude is "when I see little green aliens land in my back yard and feed kibbles to the dog, THEN I'll know what to believe"! Best wishes, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:59:35 -0500 From: Roberta Gelatt <Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Nausea Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971019035935.00a94b54@ntmail.normicro.com> Pat, Some people have luck easing nausea with ginger tea. You grate some fresh ginger into a cup and allow it to sit in hot water for five minutes before drinking it. You can strain out the ginger. Best Wishes Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurtmet Message-ID: <971019002730_1700860522@emout06.mail.aol.com> why is it that you use 2 quarts of milk or half and half to make yogurt and you end up with 1 1/2 quarts? sure doesnt go very far. 24 hours is a long time. i dont appreciate spending my life making yogurt. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 21:37:01 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <199710190435.VAA14344@pnn.com> I get very few colds/flu (Crohn's since 1966). Maybe 1 every few years. I'm not around school age children, so that probably accounts for at least part of it. Tom On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:57:44 -0700, painsolv@smartt.com wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether they >get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / acquaintances? > > Dietmar > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:37:44 -0400 (EDT) From: MSWday@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: milk Message-ID: <971019123728_816598117@emout20.mail.aol.com> is lactose free milk allowed?? the kind that's avaailable in grocery stores. I think it's called lactaid(?). Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:49:43 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combination Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D6B@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Dietmar, The point I was trying to make was that it seemed to me to be logical that if I ate a steak or worse a pork chop, it supposedly moves through the intestinal tract at a rather slow speed, (except for those of us with bad diahrea, it may move through rather quickly :-)). Let's then say that 5 hours later I eat an apple. It supposedly moves out of our stomach in less than 30 minutes. It then runs smack into that old pork chop we ate. That apple is then going to proceed through the intestines at the same rate as that Pork chop, thus seemingly, having every opportunity to "putrify etc" as if I had eaten it at the same time as the pork chop. Now I have heard most of the theories on food combining, and some seem to make some sense (except that everybodies theories on combining seems to be different and literally changes even with the seasons), but if they were really valid, it would seem that virtually all nutritionists/dieticians who study foods affectsw on our bodies write books such as "Breaking the Vicious Cycle", "The Zone", "Protien Power", "Lean Bodies" would call serious attenton to the need to properly combine foods. Instead, TOTAL silence on the subject. My original question, which by the way, I have faxed to Elaine and await her reply, was "is food combining a myth??" My question is still unanswered. I recognize that everyones physiological individuality may play a serious role here with allergies and different levels of health coming into play. It seems possible to me that what someone discovered works for them, in terms of what foods seem to be most comfortable for them, could then be put in a book and generalized for everyone saying "This is the way everyone should eat since it worked for me." That is my question. Is food combining a NON-GENERAL kind of issue or is it a major issue for everyone to be concerned about? I SUSPECT (don't know for sure) it may not be generally an issue, except in some individualized cases. Hope this clarifies what and why I am asking this question. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: painsolv@smartt.com [SMTP:painsolv@smartt.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 5:53 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: RE: Food combination > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 05:52 PM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I would love it if we could get Elaine to comment as she has studied > the > >effects of food on the intestine. I would love to know if she thinks > >food combining is bunk! > > > >It occured to me that fruit, no matter when, and with what you eat > it, > >will move through the intestines at the rate of the slowest moving > meal > >that you ate. > > Why do you form that conclusion? > > They way my ND explained it was that each of the specific food groups > (fruits , veggies, proteins, starches) required their own specific pH > (acid/base balance) to be optimally digested. So if one mixes foods, > esp. > if one is ill, you're throwing foods into the mix that can't be > optimally > digested, thus you'll get fermentation or putrefaction (the former for > fruits & starches, the latter for proteins) instead of optomal > digestion. > > Another way of looking at it was a biochemist friend of mine; she > explained > that diff. foods require diff enzymes, and that the speed of digestion > differs for each: carbo's are most-easily attacked by the enzymes, > thus > move fastest through the system, then follow proteins, and slowest are > fats. > > So ideally one would eat carbo's (fruits & starches) first or by > themselves, then proteins, then fats (though proteins & fats can be > eaten > together, which is of course how nature often packages them, since > they're > both much slower-movers). > > There are other theories of food combining, these are the 2 that make > some > sense to me. > > So maybe explain why you believe that "fruits should be eaten with the > slowest-moving" meal (I presume you mean meal component,) thus, to > "translate" your belief, one would eat fruit with proteins. This > would run > counter to all the food-combining protocols I've heard of (the > exception > being that one can eat ACID fruits, like grapefruit, with proteins). > > > > So if you eat something the takes a long time to digest, > >and it is in you intestines, then you eat fruit, it will still only > >move through at the rate of the previous meal you ate. > > > > The stomach and the bowels constantly churn & mix the "food" into a > mixture > called "chyme", but I believe there are 2 things that can then happen: > either the chyme is "filtered" by metabolic processes so that > easily-0digested food get the "green light" and are filtered out to > "race > ahead", or the mix sort of "glues them all together" which would then > force > the differently-digesting food to stay together, thus leading to > putrefaction and/or fermentation (which are NOT desirable in the > bowel!). > > I'd love to hear why you believe what you do ... > > > >As I said previously, I am experimenting and so far have not found > >myself bloating etc. > > Well, if you're basing it on personal experience, that of course is > the > most valid "proof of the pudding" ahead of any outsider's "theory"! > Be > true to yourself, you've heard of that, eh? > > > >I wonder if the issue is really eating ANY kind of > >food with complex carbos like bread. > > Maybe that's the key: my ND insists that all starches can only be > eaten > with fruits or veggies, thus, this is another way of saying "carbo's > with > carbo's", but not wit proteins. > > > >I know, that I know, if I eat a > >tuna fish sandwich, that the bread is going to cause me lots of > >problems! > > Ah, see: "protein with carbo", thus not right for you!? > > > >If I eat bread by itself, I am going to have problems > > Well, of course, Elaine says IBD'ers should stay away from ALL refined > starches aka carbo's, right? > > Dietmar > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:49:45 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: "Yeast Connection" Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D6C@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Yes, I have read it and every other book available on Candida. It basically does not tie to SCD at all. They allow complex carbo's after an initial couple of weeks on meat, veges and yogurt, then gradually add complex carbos as long as you don't use yeast breads. Most say never, ever eat fruit until most, if not all symptoms are gone, and never eat honey! Very, very different. Elaine says complex carbos undigested is what feeds candida and other microbes, the other guys say it is all simple sugars that feed them. All take a very aggressive approach to actively trying to kill the Candida with drugs and natural anti-fungals. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: painsolv@smartt.com [SMTP:painsolv@smartt.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 5:54 PM > To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU; scd-list@longisland.com > Subject: "Yeast Connection" > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Has anyone in the group ever read this book? > > How does it tie in with Elaine Gottschall's ideas? > > Dietmar > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:49:47 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Nausea Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D6E@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Thx. I'll try it. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberta Gelatt [SMTP:Roberta.Gelatt@normicro.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 9:00 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Nausea > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Pat, > > Some people have luck easing nausea with ginger tea. You grate some > fresh > ginger into a cup and allow it to sit in hot water for five minutes > before > drinking it. You can strain out the ginger. > > Best Wishes > > Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:49:46 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D6D@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Much fewer. Let us know if you draw some conclusions from this please. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Rachel Turet [SMTP:rachel@longisland.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 8:32 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether > they > >> get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / > acquaintances? > >> > >> Dietmar > > > >I get fewer colds/flus than the others. I also don't take flu shots. > > > >Barb > > Ditto, > Rachel > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: "Yeast Connection" Message-ID: <971019130518_1826068417@emout01.mail.aol.com> I also read the Yeast Connection and the Yeast Syndrome. Was treated for Candida with powdered nystatin drink. The SCD diet is very different, which is good, because the Candida diet as explained in those books did not work. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <971019132852_-2146595895@emout15.mail.aol.com> I have 5 kids and volunteer at school and get FEWER colds and flu than most people. I can take care of them when they have the flu and not get it, though once in a "blue moon" I will. One particularly bad season when most of the people in my house were sick and I wasn't, I thought of myself as "Typhoid Mary" - one who carries and illness but never gets it! Watch us all get the flu this season and we can blame it on getting healthy! Another thought. You know the saying "God gives no man a cross he can't bear", well he spares us because we already have enough to handle. Take care, Jane P.S. interesting survey. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Gummy Bears ... onward, Gummy soldiers! Message-ID: <971019133412_1566736075@emout17.mail.aol.com> Dietmar, After your surgery, are you not following the SCD diet anymore? Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:52:55 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <01bcdcb7$d4599da0$323b36ce@backpack> Simone, Besides honey, Stevia is the only sweetener that I use. It is about 300 times more potent than sugar, has no side effects, and no long range heath problems associated with it. In fact, Stevia can even help heal the user of a variety of heath problems. Marketing Management Systems in Tempe Arizona sells the sweetener. Their phone number is 1-800-947-6417. They will be more than happy to send you literature on the herb, some of which talks about how politics affected the FDA decision to allow aspartame (a known carcinogen) to be permitted as a food additive while at the same time disallowing the use of Stevia in any form (for a few years). Glenn -----Original Message----- From: PI5DA@aol.com <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 3:07 PM Subject: Stevia >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello, > >Does anyone know anything regarding Stevia (a sweetner derived from a plant) >and the SCD diet? Is it allowed? I haven't seen it mentioned yet anywhere. > >Simone > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: computer Message-ID: <971019143459_1768065866@emout15.mail.aol.com> Hello, Those of you on AOL, I have a rather dumb question. I have been trying to figure out how to interject comments in between the lines of another person's e-mail context when I am responding to them. I see you all doing that, But I don't know how to do it. Your computer illiterate friend, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: psyllium Message-ID: <971019143844_-293124533@emout06.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone, Besides straight psyllium, has any one found a better way to control runny stool -the big "D"? Psyllium worked great the first few months (had to start taking it in January), but lately, even 3 TBS a day doesn't cut it, and I don't feel I should take more. Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:57:42 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Yogourmet Message-ID: <19971019.115838.10438.0.rosset@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:27:31 -0400 (EDT) SHADOWPUP@aol.com writes: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >why is it that you use 2 quarts of milk or half and half to make >yogurt and >you end up with 1 1/2 quarts? Joan, It sounds like you are losing a lot to evaporation. Do you have a lid on the pan while heating? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:44:54 +0200 From: Kristine Vaernholt <dko3700@vip.cybercity.dk> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <344A7146.79B4@vip.cybercity.dk> Hi Dietmar, I've had the desease for aprox. 6 years. I used to have fewer colds then others, but then my doctor put me on Prednison. I had three bad incidents of pneumonia and broncitis. My doc said I have an intolerence for the Prednison and slowly pulled me off Prednison giving me Imurel. Since then I've had a cold/flu about once every two to three months. I'm positiv it's because of the medication - but my doctor says it's not. Are you by any chance on an immune depressiv ? Kris ;-> Dean Hardy wrote: > > Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether they > get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / acquaintances? > > Dietmar > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:27:06 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: fruit/juices/candida Message-ID: <971019172436_-1058349638@emout07.mail.aol.com> in response to if you have candida, should you stay away from fruits and juices. YES. take in very small amounts. also, i would not depend 100 percent on any diet to kill or starve out candida so antifungals would definitely be in order along with a friendly bacteria supplement. yogurt is not enough. the scd diet is designed to stop feeding negative bacteria thru food that we are not breaking down, therefore becoming food for negative bacteria as instead of digesting it, it is turning to garbage. but we need all the help we can get, therefore, antifungals and friendly bacteria supplements would be an advantage. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:27:12 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: stevia Message-ID: <971019172528_1633739451@emout04.mail.aol.com> Simone - i havent seen stevia mentioned in elaines book either. but i refuse to put saccharin in my body as i believe anything man made will cause negative effects long term. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BCohen7014@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: psyllium Message-ID: <971019183434_1656098069@emout02.mail.aol.com> Simone, I have been taking Psyllium in the capsul form and it works great for me! I was having trouble with D before I started the SCD diet and between the 2 things have been great! Hope this info.is helpful to you. JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:39:11 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: psyllium Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D73@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Simone, I have found the over the counter product called Equalactin to work very well for me (It is primarily microcrystalline cellulose.) I have had similar mixed experiences with psyllium which I have used extensively in the past. Hope this helps. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: PI5DA@aol.com [SMTP:PI5DA@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 1997 11:39 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: psyllium > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello everyone, > > Besides straight psyllium, has any one found a better way to control > runny > stool -the big "D"? worked great the first few months (had to start > taking it in January), but lately, even 3 TBS a day doesn't cut it, > and I > don't feel I should take more. > > Regards, > > Simone ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #74 ********************** SCD-list Mon, 20 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 75 In this issue: Re: Stevia Re: stevia Re: Incidence of colds / flu Re: Food Combining Stevia Re: Stevia Re:psyllium Re: Stevia Re:Stevia Re: neurological disorders RE: Food combination Re: Stevia Re:Stevia Food combining and SCD (final?) Re: Nausea Re: yogurtmet Re: Stevia Re: Stevia Re: Linda Re: shaky feeling Re: bean chips Re: neurological disorders Re: shaky feeling Re: Re:psyllium Re: Incidence of colds / flu Re: Incidence of colds / flu Re: Food Combining Re: psyllium Almond Nut Flour Intolerance Almond Nut Flour Intolerance (Resubmission in Plain Text Format) Re: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance Re: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance Elaines reply concerning Food Combining - Many thanks to Elaine! Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Equalactin RE: Equalactin Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Any one taking Misoprostol for IBD ? RE: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:20:07 -0700 From: Emancipation <emancpat@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971019162607.2f0f2c60@megamed.com> Yes, but Glenn, didn't Elaine say "no stevia"? I just took my child off stevia and am trying very small amounts of honey as a sweetener. If it is ok to use stevia, I would like to know. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Simone, > >Besides honey, Stevia is the only sweetener that I use. It is about 300 >times more potent than sugar, has no side effects, and no long range heath >problems associated with it. In fact, Stevia can even help heal the user of >a variety of heath problems. > >Marketing Management Systems in Tempe Arizona sells the sweetener. Their >phone number is 1-800-947-6417. They will be more than happy to send you >literature on the herb, some of which talks about how politics affected the >FDA decision to allow aspartame (a known carcinogen) to be permitted as a >food additive while at the same time disallowing the use of Stevia in any >form (for a few years). > >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: PI5DA@aol.com <PI5DA@aol.com> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> >Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 3:07 PM >Subject: Stevia > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Hello, >> >>Does anyone know anything regarding Stevia (a sweetner derived from a >plant) >>and the SCD diet? Is it allowed? I haven't seen it mentioned yet >anywhere. >> >>Simone >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:20:10 -0700 From: Emancipation <emancpat@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: stevia Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971019162609.2f87a526@megamed.com> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >Simone - > >i havent seen stevia mentioned in elaines book either. but i refuse to put >saccharin in my body as i believe anything man made will cause negative >effects long term. > >Joan > > Joan, do you use stevia? I would not use saccharin either. Elaine permits aspartame once or twice a week but after what I have read about aspartame, it is a powerful neurotoxin! and the FDA gets more complaints of headaches and other ill effects from aspartame than anything else. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:20:09 -0700 From: Emancipation <emancpat@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971019162608.2f0f8f62@megamed.com> Dear Kris, What are the effects of prednisone on a long term basis? I know a child who was on it, he gained a lot of weight, however, his allergies got a lot better. He also had a neurological/schizophrenic type disorder which supposedly improved as well. But I wonder about his immune system and his health, he is very young, about 4 or 5 I think, and the mom has to fly back east to get these treatments. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:32 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Combining Message-ID: <344AAF4C.3C6D@pacbell.net> I've always believed in food combining principles, but since my digestion has improved from being on the SCD, now I find that I can eat proteins with fruit and don't notice any problems. Apple and cheese together is one of my favorite combinations. I never would have done this before. So, now I don't know what to think about the theory! Denise ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:15:43 -0400 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Stevia Message-ID: <199710192215_MC2-2477-C176@compuserve.com> I am wondering too. The question has been raised before but never any answers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:21:46 -0400 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <199710192221_MC2-2477-C1C0@compuserve.com> What is the chemical structure? = Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:psyllium Message-ID: <971019233434_409021519@emout16.mail.aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BCohen7014@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: psyllium Message-ID: <971019183434_1656098069@emout02.mail.aol.com> JoEllen, How long did it take you between the Psyllium and the SCD for your "D" to go away? And how much psyllium did you take? One Tbs. of the powder is equal to one dose of the pill form. Thank you, Simone Simone, I have been taking Psyllium in the capsul form and it works great for me! I was having trouble with D before I started the SCD diet and between the 2 things have been great! Hope this info.is helpful to you. JoEllen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <971019233925_1432591441@emout13.mail.aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:52:55 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <01bcdcb7$d4599da0$323b36ce@backpack> Glenn, Thank you for the information on the stevia. I'll look it up. Simone Simone, Besides honey, Stevia is the only sweetener that I use. It is about 300 times more potent than sugar, has no side effects, and no long range heath problems associated with it. In fact, Stevia can even help heal the user of a variety of heath problems. Marketing Management Systems in Tempe Arizona sells the sweetener. Their phone number is 1-800-947-6417. They will be more than happy to send you literature on the herb, some of which talks about how politics affected the FDA decision to allow aspartame (a known carcinogen) to be permitted as a food additive while at the same time disallowing the use of Stevia in any form (for a few years). Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Stevia Message-ID: <971019234556_524649171@emout11.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:55:21 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <l03010d01b06f0ad89e41@[206.112.46.20]> How did you find this out? Do you know what is it about the chemical structure that is not allowed on the diet? So far I have had mixed responses. Simone Per Elaine, the chemical structure of stevia is not allowed on the SCD. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:44:00 -0700 (MST) From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: neurological disorders Message-ID: <v03110709b07035dd3555@[169.197.37.166]> Moira: >I do believe in this diet, am finding it hard to implement, my son is >screaming for his rice bread/lettuce sandwiches. >I tried to do it cold turkey, too many tantrums and stress. I am at my wit's >end. Sheila: Keep at it. I believe I read a while ago on the autism vent list that it takes a minimum of 3 times before the child adopts/accepts the new habit/diet. Make bread from something allowable. Moira: >Now, even more deprivation, it is hard. Sheila: I don't find the SCD a 'deprivation' diet. I find an extraordinary amount of choice. And when I violate the diet, I pay for it intestinally and it gets old. I choose from all the fruits, veges, and nuts/seeds first. I let go of raw honey because of my teeth. I don't eat dairy. Occasionally I try the beans allowed. Did that on a backpack. Found them in dehydrated chipped form. I hardly even cook my foods mainly salads and fruits. You have tons of cooking choices...one of my clients brought the zucchini muffins to my office and added spirulina. I scarfed it. My sister-in-law picked up on the honey-ginger chutney and made it as gourmet Christmas gifts for relatives. Deprivation is a state of mind! My current fruits are watermelon, avocados, and black and red grapes. My current veges are curly endive, arrugula, cilantro, spinach with cold-pressed olive oil. I bought 9 different squash today and i plan to bake them one at a time. They are delicious and nutritious and can be used with tahini, sesame butter, and as a snack. It's gourd season, now. Pomegranates and persimmon are in. You could make a custard of raw persimmon pulp. Anyway, allergies or candida or not, there is a way through this with a vast variety of foods that heal and help. Sometimes it's trial and error finding the right combo and also, the system changes over time, has different needs, so tastes will change, new foods will be tried over time. I know that some foods agree with me more than others in the SCD circle. Mangoes, avos, papaya, greens of all kinds, garlic, carrots, steamed cubed beets, pineapple, mushrooms, sesame seeds, flax seed powder, chia seeds, olive oil, grapes, persimmon, brussel sprouts, pinto and black beans (don't know if their both allowed), raw pistachios, peppers, eggplant, brazil nuts, walnuts although too many will constipate me, soaked almonds and tomatoes pureed. Let your son guide the way on taste and follow it in the food choices within the SCD group. > >He has also tested allergic to wheat of course, dairy, beef, nuts, etc. I >still don't understand how he could go from HAVING alleriges, to NOT having >allergies on the diet. > >Thanks, > >Moira > >There are thousand of kids out there now with candida/antibiotics autism, >the parents frequently put them on strong, psychoactive drugs. This would be >a lot easier for me, I refuse to do it. > >> >> >> ************************************************************************ Kind Regards, Sheila Shea Tucson AZ------------------ Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. http://www.sheilas.com Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ to subscribe or unsubscribe ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:50:10 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combination Message-ID: <l03010d00b070f5b1a16b@[206.112.46.20]> Dear Pat, I spoke to Elaine yesterday and she said that she faxed you a reply to your "food combining" question. Did you not reveive it? Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:55:39 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <l03010d01b070f6f5ed8a@[206.112.46.12]> Dear All, I asked Elaine about stevia and she says not to use it. She's read the chemical compound and says it is not compatable with the SCD. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:57:42 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Stevia Message-ID: <l03010d02b070f7680869@[206.112.46.12]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:55:21 -0500 >From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com >Subject: Re: Stevia >Message-ID: <l03010d01b06f0ad89e41@[206.112.46.20]> > > >How did you find this out? Do you know what is it about the chemical >structure that is not allowed on the diet? So far I have had mixed >responses. > >Simone > > >Per Elaine, the chemical structure of stevia is not allowed on the SCD. >Rachel No, I didn't ask. I've found Elaine's advice invaluable and I guess I'm just not interested in using the product enough to persue the issue. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:39:26 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Food combining and SCD (final?) Message-ID: <344B50FE.F5D5920D@emory.edu> I suggest that those of us who wish to wax philosophically about the "food combining" or Fit for Life diets, (this includes me, mind you), even in reference to UC or CD, take our discussion to the "other" listserver, SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU The purpose of that forum is to explore theories and practices relating to IBD, whereas, this longisland site is specific to Elaine's diet. At least that's my understanding. By the way, you can get a 30lb. box of gummy bears real cheap at Hans's Sugar Haven, the number is (555) only joking........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:58:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Nausea Message-ID: <199710201358.IAA03839@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Ginger is supposed to be helpful. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Fri Oct 17 23:23 CDT 1997 > From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Nausea > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:34:29 -0700 > X-Priority: 3 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Has anyone ever found something that works well for nausea? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 08:58:23 PDT From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: yogurtmet Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> Joan, I make a gallon at a time using whole milk. This lasts me at least a week, so I usually do yogurt-making on weekends. Kim ---------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > why is it that you use 2 quarts of milk or half and half to make yogurt and > you end up with 1 1/2 quarts? > > sure doesnt go very far. 24 hours is a long time. i dont appreciate spending > my life making yogurt. > > Joan > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:05:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <199710201405.JAA03854@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> I don't know if it's permitted on SCD, but stevia is an herb. It's allowed, even promoted, on an anti-candida diet. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Sat Oct 18 17:06 CDT 1997 > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:06:15 -0400 (EDT) > From: PI5DA@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Stevia > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 324 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello, > > Does anyone know anything regarding Stevia (a sweetner derived from a plant) > and the SCD diet? Is it allowed? I haven't seen it mentioned yet anywhere. > > Simone > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:14:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Stevia Message-ID: <199710201414.JAA03869@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> You can also get stevia at your local health food store.. > From SCD-request@longisland.com Sun Oct 19 12:53 CDT 1997 > From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> > To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> > Subject: Re: Stevia > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:52:55 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Simone, > > Besides honey, Stevia is the only sweetener that I use. It is about 300 > times more potent than sugar, has no side effects, and no long range heath > problems associated with it. In fact, Stevia can even help heal the user of > a variety of heath problems. > > Marketing Management Systems in Tempe Arizona sells the sweetener. Their > phone number is 1-800-947-6417. They will be more than happy to send you > literature on the herb, some of which talks about how politics affected the > FDA decision to allow aspartame (a known carcinogen) to be permitted as a > food additive while at the same time disallowing the use of Stevia in any > form (for a few years). > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: PI5DA@aol.com <PI5DA@aol.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> > Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 3:07 PM > Subject: Stevia > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hello, > > > >Does anyone know anything regarding Stevia (a sweetner derived from a > plant) > >and the SCD diet? Is it allowed? I haven't seen it mentioned yet > anywhere. > > > >Simone > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:25:54 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Linda Message-ID: <88256536.0054AF05.00@baxworld.com> Joan, I totally missed his email address. Think I'll send him a line. Thanks alot. Linda SHADOWPUP@aol.com on 10/17/97 09:57:38 PM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com cc: (bcc: Linda Schaaf/AMERICA/BAX) Subject: Linda -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Linda - you posted a note and wanted to talk to Bill before he left. if you didnt catch his address, it was: btren@bestweb.net Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:16:42 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: shaky feeling Message-ID: <88256536.0057BC97.00@baxworld.com> Even before I started the diet, having hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar, I would get "the shakes" when my blood sugar fell too low between meals. When I first started the diet I would feel very faint (especially going up a flight of stairs) and a bit shaky, similar to low blood sugar shakes. I called my nutritionist and he advised me to eat more protein. He said I can have 5 servings a day of protein on this diet. So if I get shaky and/or faint, I snack on something like peanut butter or cheese. I don't eat just 3 meals a day. After 8 hours of sleep at night, the blood sugar gets real low so I have a good breakfast with plenty of protein, a two-egg cheese omelet and a zucchini muffin from Elaine's book or toast made from almond nut flour with honey or apple butter. Between breakfast and lunch I snack on peanut butter and between lunch and dinner I usually try to have a piece of fruit and some cheese or something. It's the long stretch between dinner and breakfast that I haven't worked out a solution for so mornings are the hardest. This is my experience....hope it is useful to you somehow. Regards, Linda emancpat@megamed.com on 10/18/97 06:53:30 AM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com cc: (bcc: Linda Schaaf/AMERICA/BAX) Subject: shaky feeling -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- I used to eat a lot of whole wheat and other carbos. I have been on SCD and feel shaky. Is that normal? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:36:02 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: bean chips Message-ID: <19971020.093608.10454.0.rosset@juno.com> . Occasionally I >try >the beans allowed. Did that on a backpack. Found them in dehydrated >chipped >form. Sheila, The store bought bean chips would not be allowed for someone on the SCD. Maybe one of us can come up with a recipe for chips using properly soaked homemade beans. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:03:04 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: neurological disorders Message-ID: <88256536.005D723A.00@baxworld.com> Sheila, You mentioned making a custard from persimmon pulp. Do you have this recipe to share? I absolutely LOVE persimmons and would appreciate this recipe and any others for persimmons. Think you can freeze persimmon pulp? Rgds Linda ratany@azstarnet.com on 10/19/97 10:44:00 PM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com cc: (bcc: Linda Schaaf/AMERICA/BAX) Subject: Re: neurological disorders -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheila: I don't find the SCD a 'deprivation' diet. I find an extraordinary amount of choice. And when I violate the diet, I pay for it intestinally and it gets old. I choose from all the fruits, veges, and nuts/seeds first. I let go of raw honey because of my teeth. I don't eat dairy. Occasionally I try the beans allowed. Did that on a backpack. Found them in dehydrated chipped form. I hardly even cook my foods mainly salads and fruits. You have tons of cooking choices...one of my clients brought the zucchini muffins to my office and added spirulina. I scarfed it. My sister-in-law picked up on the honey-ginger chutney and made it as gourmet Christmas gifts for relatives. Deprivation is a state of mind! My current fruits are watermelon, avocados, and black and red grapes. My current veges are curly endive, arrugula, cilantro, spinach with cold-pressed olive oil. I bought 9 different squash today and i plan to bake them one at a time. They are delicious and nutritious and can be used with tahini, sesame butter, and as a snack. It's gourd season, now. Pomegranates and persimmon are in. You could make a custard of raw persimmon pulp. Anyway, allergies or candida or not, there is a way through this with a vast variety of foods that heal and help. Sometimes it's trial and error finding the right combo and also, the system changes over time, has different needs, so tastes will change, new foods will be tried over time. I know that some foods agree with me more than others in the SCD circle. Mangoes, avos, papaya, greens of all kinds, garlic, carrots, steamed cubed beets, pineapple, mushrooms, sesame seeds, flax seed powder, chia seeds, olive oil, grapes, persimmon, brussel sprouts, pinto and black beans (don't know if their both allowed), raw pistachios, peppers, eggplant, brazil nuts, walnuts although too many will constipate me, soaked almonds and tomatoes pureed. Let your son guide the way on taste and follow it in the food choices within the SCD group. ************************************************************************ Kind Regards, Sheila Shea Tucson AZ------------------ Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. http://www.sheilas.com Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ to subscribe or unsubscribe ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:16:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: shaky feeling Message-ID: <971020131253_1345330035@emout15.mail.aol.com> Thank-you Linda, your advice was very helpful. I have similiar symptoms but was afraid of too much protein - thought the answer would be just more fruit. I'll try the protein. Thanks again, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:30:51 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Re:psyllium Message-ID: <01bcdd7d$e958e960$213b36ce@backpack> Hi There, I take Metemucil (no sugar added) which contains psyllium. It works we for me. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: PI5DA@aol.com <PI5DA@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 8:38 PM Subject: Re:psyllium >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:35:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: BCohen7014@aol.com >To: SCD-list@longisland.com >Subject: Re: psyllium >Message-ID: <971019183434_1656098069@emout02.mail.aol.com> > > >JoEllen, >How long did it take you between the Psyllium and the SCD for your "D" to go >away? And how much psyllium did you take? One Tbs. of the powder is equal >to one dose of the pill form. > >Thank you, > >Simone > > > >Simone, I have been taking Psyllium in the capsul form and it works great for >me! I was having trouble with D before I started the SCD diet and between the >2 things have been great! Hope this info.is helpful to you. JoEllen > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:29:21 +0200 From: Kristine Vaernholt <dko3700@vip.cybercity.dk> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <344B94F1.9CB@vip.cybercity.dk> Prednisone is a very serious drug. When my doc put me on it, I read a doctors medicinal manual that I have access to. But - I would like to point out that I'm no doctor my self and that the side effects that I have read about are from a total list of possible side effects. Not all people experience any or all of the mentioned posibilities. This is a translation from a danish description. Please excuse any "strange language": Moon face (Bloating of the face, that gives a very peculiar round face), Facial hair growth, Osteoporosis, Larger appetite, Akne, Stemmied growth (children), Damadge to the funtions of hypothalamus, pituitary gland, suprarenal gland, Euforia and/or Psychosis like symptoms, Medicinal Pnuemonia/ broncitis, And actually some more which I dont understand because it's in doctors latin. Personally I thought that the description of side effects was very scarry. I ended up in hospital last year with a very severe case of diarrhoea with bleeding, pain and dehydration. My doc put me on Pred. and whithin five days all pains and D was gone. It really removes those symptoms. Unfortunately I started getting a lot of strange "side effects". My doc said that I apparently couldn't tolerate prednisone. I read the "side effects" description and thought to myself that I really had to get off of this drug again. But it was difficult - every time we tried to tapper off, I had a worsening of my bowel symptoms. I still take Budsonide enigmas. I dont want to scare you or anyone else, especially because I'm not a doctor and people may not have any other options than to use prednisone. But I must also admit that prednisone scares me. I'm putting a lot of faith in the SCD praying that it can keep me OFF pred. My kid would need to be seriously ill before I would think the risk was worth it. Especially because prednisone doesn't seem to cure - it only seems to remove the symptoms. The thought of a kid having to use prednisone an entire life - that scares me, too. Best of wishes Kris ;-> Emancipation wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Kris, > > What are the effects of prednisone on a long term basis? I know a child who > was on it, he gained a lot of weight, however, his allergies got a lot > better. He also had a neurological/schizophrenic type disorder which > supposedly improved as well. But I wonder about his immune system and his > health, he is very young, about 4 or 5 I think, and the mom has to fly back > east to get these treatments. ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Incidence of colds / flu Message-ID: <v01550100b070e25eeef1@[206.40.74.41]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone! When I went to my first (and last) meeting of the C&CFA local chapter this subject came up and one of the men present who has (Chrons) said that people with Chrons and Colitis have over-active immune systems!!!! and that is the reason "we" don't get flus or colds. We all (about 9 of us) were talking about we never get flus or colds. Just wanted to pass this on...have not heard this (over-active immune system affliction) from any other source. Anyone else hear of this? Prateeksha. >I get very few colds/flu (Crohn's since 1966). Maybe 1 every few years. >I'm not around school age >children, so that probably accounts for at least part of it. > >Tom > >On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:57:44 -0700, painsolv@smartt.com wrote: > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Has anyone who's had IBD for at least a decade ever noticed whether they >>get more or fewer colds / flus than their non-IBD friends / acquaintances? >> >> Dietmar >> ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >> D. Hartl RMT >> >> Specialist in: >> Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions >> White Rock, British Columbia >> ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ >> ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Combining Message-ID: <v01550101b070e580ab8c@[206.40.74.41]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I have been getting better and better...less pain, cramping, gas, bloating, diarrhea. So, recently, I decided to go for one of the recipes in the book, using cooked apples. I changed the recipe a bit. Mixed almond flour with butter, salt and cinnamon and put over the tart sliced, cored apples and baked in the oven until the apples were done. So delicious, I can't tell you, BUT...every time I ate a helping (as a snack, not with meals), In just a little while I started with the pain, gas, bloating, swelling! I stopped eating the apple crisp concoction and no more pain, gas, bloating and swelling. Started eating apple crisp concoction agAin, and the same symptoms appeared. I tried this 3 times just to see and it was the same each time!!! What an experiment. Fruit mixed with protein for me, does not work, at least at this point!!! Prateeksha >I've always believed in food combining principles, but since my >digestion has improved from being on the SCD, now I find that I can eat >proteins with fruit and don't notice any problems. Apple and cheese >together is one of my favorite combinations. I never would have done >this before. So, now I don't know what to think about the theory! > >Denise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 10:31:20 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: psyllium Message-ID: <199710201752.KAA08498@pnn.com> Simone, Have you had small bowel problems or a small bowel resection? The last part of the small bowel absorbs vitamin B12 (so shots are required) but also reabsorbs bile salts so that they can be recycled. The problem is that without that portion of the small bowel, the bile salts go right on into the large intestine and cause diarrhea. I recently had my 2nd resection (first was 30 years ago) and the D just wasn't going away. My doctor prescribed Questran which binds up the bile salts so that they aren't active when they get into the large intestine. Wow! What a difference. Psyllium had helped only a little, but the Questran fixed things right up. Have only been on it for a few days and am still working on what dosage I need, but it looks like a modest amount in the evening is all I need. Tom On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:38:45 -0400 (EDT), PI5DA@aol.com wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello everyone, > >Besides straight psyllium, has any one found a better way to control runny >stool -the big "D"? Psyllium worked great the first few months (had to start >taking it in January), but lately, even 3 TBS a day doesn't cut it, and I >don't feel I should take more. > >Regards, > >Simone > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:54:14 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance Message-ID: <01bcdd81$2dc77fa0$213b36ce@backpack> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BCDD46.8168A7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, After being on the diet for almost three months, I've done generally = well on some of the foods, but not so well on others. I made a lot of almond nut flour bread when I started the diet and ate = it regularly. Everything went well for about a month and a half when = suddenly, I got bouts of D every two days. The scenario worked this way. = First the stools would be well formed, then they would get progressively = softer until almost pure fluid was coming out. All of this happened = within a three hour period. During these episodes, I ended up on the = toilet about four to six times. After everything was evacuated from my = colon the cycle would repeat itself a couple days later. I thought maybe = I was eating too much salad, but this was not the case. I couldn't = figure out what it was until, by accident, I found out that it was the = nut flour. I went about three days without the nut flour and I wasn't = having D attacks anymore! So far I've gone without nut flour for the = last week and a half and haven't had a case of D the entire time. I've = added salads back into my diet and everything is holding steady. The sad = part of this is that now I can't even have a bread substitute. I just thought that it was odd that for a month and a half that I was = doing okay with nut flour just suddenly turnaround and develop an = intolerance for it. I'll stay off of it for five or six months, then try = it again and see what happens. Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BCDD46.8168A7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi Folks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>After being on the diet for almost three months, = I've done=20 generally well on some of the foods, but not so well on = others.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I made a lot of almond nut flour bread when I = started the diet=20 and ate it regularly. Everything went well for about a month and a half = when=20 suddenly, I got <FONT color=3D#000000>bouts </FONT>of D every two days. = The=20 scenario worked this way. First the stools would be well formed, then = they would=20 get progressively softer until almost pure fluid was coming out. All of = this=20 happened within a three hour period. During these episodes, I ended up = on the=20 toilet about four to six times. After everything was evacuated from my = <FONT=20 color=3D#000000>colon </FONT>the cycle would repeat itself a couple days = later. I=20 thought maybe I was eating too much salad, but this was not the case. I = couldn't=20 figure out what it was until, by accident, I found out that it was the = nut=20 flour. I went about three days without the nut flour and I wasn't having = D=20 attacks anymore! So far I've gone without nut flour for the last week = and a half=20 and haven't had a case of D the entire time. I've added salads back into = my diet=20 and everything is holding steady. The sad part of this is that now I = can't even=20 have a bread substitute.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I just thought that it was odd that for a month and = a half=20 that I was doing okay with nut flour just suddenly turnaround and = develop an=20 intolerance for it. I'll stay off of it for five or six months, then try = it=20 again and see what happens.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Glenn</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BCDD46.8168A7A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:59:35 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance (Resubmission in Plain Text Format) Message-ID: <01bcdd81$ed29f1c0$213b36ce@backpack> Hi Folks, After being on the diet for almost three months, I've done generally well on some of the foods, but not so well on others. I made a lot of almond nut flour bread when I started the diet and ate it regularly. Everything went well for about a month and a half when suddenly, I got bouts of D every two days. The scenario worked this way. First the stools would be well formed, then they would get progressively softer until almost pure fluid was coming out. All of this happened within a three hour period. During these episodes, I ended up on the toilet about four to six times. After everything was evacuated from my colon the cycle would repeat itself a couple days later. I thought maybe I was eating too much salad, but this was not the case. I couldn't figure out what it was until, by accident, I found out that it was the nut flour. I went about three days without the nut flour and I wasn't having D attacks anymore! So far I've gone without nut flour for the last week and a half and haven't had a case of D the entire time. I've added salads back into my diet and everything is holding steady. The sad part of this is that now I can't even have a bread substitute. I just thought that it was odd that for a month and a half that I was doing okay with nut flour just suddenly turnaround and develop an intolerance for it. I'll stay off of it for five or six months, then try it again and see what happens. Glenn PS For those of you that got uintelligible garbage from my last transmission, I'm sorry. I accidentally sent it out in RTF Format. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:02:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance Message-ID: <199710201802.NAA03976@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> This may be tied to something called "Leaky Gut Syndrome". I don't know the science behind this theory, but it's something like since our GI tract is not digesting foods properly and the tract is ulcerated, some food molecules are passing through into the blood and are then identified as "invaders" or "foreign objects" by our immune system. We then develop anti-bodies to the food. This happens mainly with foods we ingest on a daily basis. This might explain why people suddenly become intolerant to foods they could previously tolerate fine. Many people recommend a 4-day rotation diet so that we don't eat the same food any more than every 4th day so we don't develop allergies to them. I would guess that anyone on SCD is eating nut flour products on a daily basis if they're tolerated. Regards/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Mon Oct 20 12:55 CDT 1997 > From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> > To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> > Subject: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:54:14 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01BCDD46.8168A7A0" > Content-Length: 4173 > > Hi Folks, > > After being on the diet for almost three months, I've done generally well on some of the foods, but not so well on others. > > I made a lot of almond nut flour bread when I started the diet and ate it regularly. Everything went well for about a month and a half when suddenly, I got bouts of D every two days. The scenario worked this way. First the stools would be well formed, then they would get progressively softer until almost pure fluid was coming out. All of this happened within a three hour period. During these episodes, I ended up on the toilet about four to six times. After everything was evacuated from my colon the cycle would repeat itself a couple days later. I thought maybe I was eating too much salad, but this was not the case. I couldn't figure out what it was until, by accident, I found out that it was the nut flour. I went about three days without the nut flour and I wasn't having D attacks anymore! So far I've gone without nut flour for the last week and a half and haven't had a case of D the entire time. I've added salads back into my diet and everything is holding steady. The sad p! ! ! art of this is that now I can't even have a bread substitute. > > I just thought that it was odd that for a month and a half that I was doing okay with nut flour just suddenly turnaround and develop an intolerance for it. I'll stay off of it for five or six months, then try it again and see what happens. > > Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:07:26 -0700 From: Mary <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971020120524.2e8756ec@megamed.com> >This may be tied to something called "Leaky Gut Syndrome". I don't >know the science behind this theory, but it's something like since >our GI tract is not digesting foods properly and the tract is >ulcerated, some food molecules are passing through into the blood >and are then identified as "invaders" or "foreign objects" by our >immune system. We then develop anti-bodies to the food. This happens >mainly with foods we ingest on a daily basis. > >This might explain why people suddenly become intolerant to foods >they could previously tolerate fine. Many people recommend a 4-day rotation >diet so that we don't eat the same food any more than every 4th >day so we don't develop allergies to them. I would guess that anyone >on SCD is eating nut flour products on a daily basis if they're >tolerated. > >Regards/Liz Dear Liz, I talked to Elaine, and she does not put much if any credence in food rotation. I was glad to hear it as a 4 or 7 day rotation diet has to be a major pain! What do others on the list think? > > >> From SCD-request@longisland.com Mon Oct 20 12:55 CDT 1997 >> From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> >> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> >> Subject: Almond Nut Flour Intolerance >> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:54:14 -0700 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >> Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01BCDD46.8168A7A0" >> Content-Length: 4173 >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> After being on the diet for almost three months, I've done generally well on some of the foods, but not so well on others. >> >> I made a lot of almond nut flour bread when I started the diet and ate it regularly. Everything went well for about a month and a half when suddenly, I got bouts of D every two days. The scenario worked this way. First the stools would be well formed, then they would get progressively softer until almost pure fluid was coming out. All of this happened within a three hour period. During these episodes, I ended up on the toilet about four to six times. After everything was evacuated from my colon the cycle would repeat itself a couple days later. I thought maybe I was eating too much salad, but this was not the case. I couldn't figure out what it was until, by accident, I found out that it was the nut flour. I went about three days without the nut flour and I wasn't having D attacks anymore! So far I've gone without nut flour for the last week and a half and haven't had a case of D the entire time. I've added salads back into my diet and everything is holding steady. The sad p! >! >art of this is that now I can't even have a bread substitute. >> >> I just thought that it was odd that for a month and a half that I was doing okay with nut flour just suddenly turnaround and develop an intolerance for it. I'll stay off of it for five or six months, then try it again and see what happens. >> >> Glenn > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:44:17 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Elaines reply concerning Food Combining - Many thanks to Elaine! Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460C68B0@logixmail.saleslogix.com> October 17, 1997 TO: PATRICK SULLIVAN FROM: ELAINE GOTTSCHALL SUBJECT: FOOD COMBINING The most important word in your long fax to me is the word "perspective". Before I go into a discussion of why "Elaine has completely ignored food combining," I want all of you interested in this subject to think of PERSPECTIVE - the way we look at things. For example, before the Long Island list was formed, some of you sent me printouts of the maelstrom discussions, and I was "bursting" to talk about it but the constraints of time and the fact that no one asked for my opinion stopped me. It had to do with the benefits of the Paleolithic diet (the diet of our ancestors). It seems like no one who was pushing this concept (which is a legitimate one) looked at the SCD as a Paleolithic diet. It was not developed based on our ancestor's diet but was developed because outstanding medical doctors of the first half of the 20th century discovered through trial and error that it worked so well on digestive problems. Interesting! It just turned out to be the foods that our ancestors adapted to. They did not eat grains until around the beginning of the Christian era but for millennia lived on lean game, nuts, fruit, and some vegetables. They probably milked animals and soured the milk in their own way (the Masai made yogurt by introducing the bacteria from the urine of the animal and got a yogurt product). But, the diet was based on the science as it was known and mainly BECAUSE IT WORKED AND NOTHING ELSE DID!!!! Didn't anyone realize as the discussion went on on maelstrom that the SCD is a Paleolithic diet? Perspective!!!! FOOD COMBINING If you were talking to Barry Sears or Harvey Diamond and asked them the most basic question: WHAT IS THE GOAL OF FOOD COMBINING???, and if they said to stay healthy or to lose weight, that would be a superficial answer. The goal of food combining is OPTIMAL DIGESTION - so that all building blocks of food are digested and pass through the bowel wall into the capillaries and then on to nourish the rest of the body. It assures us that only small amounts of indigestible fiber and perhaps a little of the fat, protein and carbohydrate reaches the world of microbes and ferments and putrifies. It may very well be true that if one is a strict vegetarian and consumes large amounts of grain starch, that the rules in Fit For Life will benefit a person. But in my opinion, it is just compensation for the grains not being digested thoroughly and causing the proteins and sugars to cause problems. You must remember that neither The Zone nor Fit For Life is directed towards reversing these problems - digestion, neurological, etc. All I know is that I read all the research that has ever been done for almost 40 years and the hypothesis in my book is borne out by the research. I do not know where Harvey Diamond or Barry Sears got their dogma except that Barry Sears may have studied the Paleolithic diet and come to these conclusions. But people are free to follow food combining the way it is stated in Fit For Life and still stay on the SCD. Most people who come to the SCD have tried all these approaches, and they have not worked. But one should feel free to believe what they want. If those people on the SCD with severe ulcerative colitis are not improving after a month, it might be worthwhile for them to combine the rules of food combining. I beg you to read the first few chapters of BVC again and try and understand carbohydrate digestion. It is extremely difficult for all people, but almost impossible for those with some illness (remember the damaged intestinal mucosa with the enzymes). This is the science that I worked so hard to grasp, but we are all different and for those who are annoyed with me about not talking about food combining, please believe me when I tell you that if we can conquer the digestion of starch (and the diet does this well) then we need not worry so much about the proteins and fats, they seem to take care of themselves. Love to all. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Message-ID: <971020154445_-1494772005@emout06.mail.aol.com> Hello, I am fairly new to this list (abt a month) and have followed the discussions and divisions over what this list is for and is not for and I would offer that if someone is having trouble with the SCD (bloating, gas, D) and is feeling frustrated or confused abt how or why this could be , it certainly is not "wax(ing) philisophically" to bring up how and in what way the diet may be modified to help that person be more successful and get their gut healed, or at least get symptoms under control. If that then leads to discussions of "food combining" then so be it. I am certainly all for keeping the discussion focused on "the diet", but short of simply sharing recipes, what else is this site for if not to air our individual experiences on it, especially since it would appear, even on my short time in reading members' mssges, that specific responses to the diet are highly individual, particularly in the beginning. For myself, I am at a totally frustrated point, having been on SCD for almost six weeks for IBD (no Crohn's or U.C. - yet), and have gone from an initial response after the first 10 days of greatly reduced bloating/gas and elimination of diarrhea to constant bloating, gas and intestinal turmoil. I eat winter squash in the a.m. either with egg, or with nut muffins, drink only water, have veges and nut bread for lunch, maybe with protein and repeat that for dinner, with usually a larger piece of protein. I was making yogurt, and the allowed gelatin but have since eliminated them for now. For the last 3 1/2-4 weeks, I've had ever-increasing gas and bloating again, no D but very loosely formed stool and my transit time has shot up to more than 24 hours (ie am not havg daily b.m.) This may be good news to those with major D, but it's very uncomfortable! So, for me, the info on combining has at least given me something to test myself on. Otherwise, I'd be likely to have abandoned the diet by now (altho to what alternative is the $mill. question). I have had to eliminate the yogurt, the ddcc, most fruit (for candida treatment) and certainly all honey. To know that perhaps I shouldn't be eating nut bread with my squash is, while not welcome news, certainly an opportunity to stay on the diet and see if I can get things under control with "combining". Any thoughts on my dilemna, or my comments, would be most welcome. Thanx, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Equalactin Message-ID: <971020160614_73680654@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hi, I can't find anyone who sells Equalactin any where. One healthfood store wanted the name of the manufaturer. Can this product be ordered by mail? I am eager to try it. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:19:09 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Equalactin Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460C9D99@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I found it at Smiths, a large, regular, grocery store. I 'll check on the mfg. Don't have the box with me. Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: PI5DA@aol.com [SMTP:PI5DA@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 1:13 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Equalactin > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > > I can't find anyone who sells Equalactin any where. One healthfood > store > wanted the name of the manufaturer. > > Can this product be ordered by mail? I am eager to try it. > > Simone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:45:33 -0700 From: rosset@juno.com (Lucy Rosset) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Message-ID: <19971020.144541.10438.0.rosset@juno.com> I have had to eliminate the yogurt, the ddcc, most fruit >(for >candida treatment) and certainly all honey. Liz, Sorry to hear you are not doing so well. Are you sure you need to eliminate fruit and honey? My longstanding yeast problems totally went away without eliminating them. Have you been checked for parasites? A month or two ago a prune drink was posted that Elaine recommended for constipation. Does anyone remember what was in it? Maybe it would help you. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 18:01:48 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Any one taking Misoprostol for IBD ? Message-ID: <9710202301.AA16960@swansong.amd.com> hi i have read several abstracts on PubMed that discuss the benefits of Misoprostol, a "good" prostaglandin analog, in healing the colon, one study compared it to 5-ASA (what many take for for IBD today) and found that unlike 5-ASA, misoprostol accelerated colonic healing. there were also two other drugs in the same papers, one with no name, SC-46275 and betamethasone. SC-46275 is more potent than misoprostol, while betamethasone seems to improve ileal fluid absorption. is anyone taking any of these drugs, is it even available in the US ? ted ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:08:40 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460C9DEA@logixmail.saleslogix.com> If I were you, I would call or write Elaine. > -----Original Message----- > From: HEBERT2@aol.com [SMTP:HEBERT2@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 12:48 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Food combining and SCD (final?)-not > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello, I am fairly new to this list (abt a month) and have > followed the discussions and divisions over what this list is for and > is not > for and I would offer that if someone is having trouble with the SCD > (bloating, gas, D) and is feeling frustrated or confused abt how or > why this > could be , it certainly is not "wax(ing) philisophically" to bring up > how and > in what way the diet may be modified to help that person be more > successful > and get their gut healed, or at least get symptoms under control. If > that > then leads to discussions of "food combining" then so be it. > > I am certainly all for keeping the discussion focused on "the diet", > but > short of simply sharing recipes, what else is this site for if not to > air our > individual experiences on it, especially since it would appear, even > on my > short time in reading members' mssges, that specific responses to the > diet > are highly individual, particularly in the beginning. > > For myself, I am at a totally frustrated point, having been on SCD > for > almost six weeks for IBD (no Crohn's or U.C. - yet), and have gone > from an > initial response after the first 10 days of greatly reduced > bloating/gas and > elimination of diarrhea to constant bloating, gas and intestinal > turmoil. I > eat winter squash in the a.m. either with egg, or with nut muffins, > drink > only water, have veges and nut bread for lunch, maybe with protein and > repeat > that for dinner, with usually a larger piece of protein. I was making > yogurt, and the allowed gelatin but have since eliminated them for > now. > > For the last 3 1/2-4 weeks, I've had ever-increasing gas and bloating > again, > no D but very loosely formed stool and my transit time has shot up to > more > than 24 hours (ie am not havg daily b.m.) This may be good news to > those > with major D, but it's very uncomfortable! So, for me, the info on > combining > has at least given me something to test myself on. Otherwise, I'd be > likely > to have abandoned the diet by now (altho to what alternative is the > $mill. > question). I have had to eliminate the yogurt, the ddcc, most fruit > (for > candida treatment) and certainly all honey. To know that perhaps I > shouldn't > be eating nut bread with my squash is, while not welcome news, > certainly an > opportunity to stay on the diet and see if I can get things under > control > with "combining". > > Any thoughts on my dilemna, or my comments, would be most welcome. > Thanx, Liz ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #75 **********************
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