SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Fri, 17 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 72 In this issue: RE: Food combination RE: Food combination The Zone Re: Encourage me if you will..... Re: SCD and My Doctor Encourage me if you will.....2 Re: Encourage me if you will..... Re: Encourage me if you will.....2 Food combining & the SCD Re: The Zone more SCD recipes RE: Food combining & the SCD Water Chestnuts, cornstarch and soy sauce enemas -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:52:45 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@SalesLogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combination Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460BC6C3@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I would love it if we could get Elaine to comment as she has studied the effects of food on the intestine. I would love to know if she thinks food combining is bunk! It occured to me that fruit, no matter when, and with what you eat it, will move through the intestines at the rate of the slowest moving meal that you ate. So if you eat something the takes a long time to digest, and it is in you intestines, then you eat fruit, it will still only move through at the rate of the previous meal you ate. As I said previously, I am experimenting and so far have not found myself bloating etc. I wonder if the issue is really eating ANY kind of food with complex carbos like bread. I know, that I know, if I eat a tuna fish sandwich, that the bread is going to cause me lots of problems! If I eat bread by itself, I am going to have problems. I'll bet if I eat a bannana sandwich, I would feel real bad!! Perhaps fruit has gotten a bum rap because people usually eat complex carbos with it, bloat like crazy and blame the fruit!! It is a theory anyway. Any experts wish to comment? Elaine?? pat > -----Original Message----- > From: PI5DA@aol.com [SMTP:PI5DA@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:04 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Food combination > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pat, > > What a coincidence that you brought up the food combination issue. I > was > just thinking the same thing when I read about eating fruit with > yougurt or > cheese. According to books such as Fit For Life, and other ones I > read, > fruit should be eaten alone on an empty stomach 30 min. before a meal > or 4-6 > hours after a protein or starch meal. > > Like you said, the fruit requires minimal time to digest (20-45 > minutes:dried > fruit and bananas take 45 minutes) while proteins take about 4 hours. > According to the literature, fruit that becomes trapped with other > food in > the stomach begins to ferment, potentially causing the entire contents > to > putrify and cause gas and bloating. OK, I know some of us can do > without the > excess gas ad bloating. Also, according the these authors, improper > food > combination can cause havoc on the digestive system and wear it down > along > with destroying the integrity of the food by fermenting it or causing > it to > putrify. So, what quality of nutrients are we absorbing then? > > I found that when I used to eat fruit at meals I used to develop > terrible > stomach aches which mistakenly I blamed the fruit and became afraid to > eat > them. After I found out about food combination, I ate fruit alone > with no > problem. > > Fruit also helps cleanse the intestines, and sometimes fruit reacts > with > remaining intestinal and stomach debris and cause some bloating. > Otherwise > there should be no problem. > > My question is, if so many nutritionists who study the effects of food > on the > digestive system individually state the same thing about food > combination, > then why hasn't Elaine mention it? I know we don't have to be > concerned > about combining starch with protein, but I am a little bit concerned > about > fruit and other foods. > > Those of you who read the recipes I posted noticed they are all from > the Fit > For Life Cookbook. All the fruit-based deserts contain nothing but > fruit, > nuts, seeds, honey, and nut milks which are digestively compatible. > > Any take on this? If anyone disagrees, remember I am just the > messenger, so > don't kill ME. > > Regards, > > Simone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:55:05 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@SalesLogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combination Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460BC6C4@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Good point about "The Zone". No food combining issues there. Other books I've read give no mention of it either. Don't you just hate uncertainty? Elaine, where are you?? Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Kebridan@aol.com [SMTP:Kebridan@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 6:07 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Food combination > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ever since Pat posted that great question about combining fruit etc., > I've > been waiting to see what you all had to say. Does someone save > difficult > questions and then give them to Elaine all at once instead of calling > her > individually? My 2 cents. About a year ago I read "The Zone" have > sinced > loaned it to a friend and don't have it to refer to, but I have seen > it > mentioned here before. The author, Barry Sears, combines a protein, > carbo, > and fat in specific ratios to each other at every meal and snack. This > regulates insulin levels, controls free radicals, etc. and is > described as a > steady drip (like and IV) of food throughout the day. I don't ever > remember > in the book advice on eating fruit separate, just in proportion to the > protein and fat. I find I have a problem if I eat too much fruit, > which I > think there is a tendency to do, because we don't eat junk food and > fruit > seems "legal". I know we've been told to basically put blinders on > and > follow the SCD which I'm prepared to do, but we all have read and been > taught > other nutritional theories and sometimes it's just hard to blank that > out of > your mind. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: The Zone Message-ID: <971016211524_2023033508@emout01.mail.aol.com> Jane, I am also familiar with Barry Sears. I have both of his books. And to make things more confusing than they already are, what he says makes sense too. I have tried to incorporate what he advises ( 40% carbohydrates, 30% fat, and 30% protein combination). I eyeball everything, because weighing food and counting grams sounds too neurotic to me. Can I put my 2 cents in? Anyone can use what ever method they feel more comfortable with. Someone who has no problem with combining fruit with other food can ignore what the Fit For Life says. If anyone feel The Zone sounds like the right food combination to follow, can eat protein and vegetables (or nut breads) in the proper proportions, which is 2:1 ratio of vegetable to protein in volume. Or, like myself, usually do both. I just eat fruit by themselves as snacks. This way, I figure, if at least one of the 2 is right, I am covered. If it turns out they are both wrong, I have nothing to loose. I still eat well. Bottom line is, the only diet I follow religiously is the SCD diet. The other concepts can be easily incorporated into this diet if anyone chooses to follow them. So far nothing seems to hurt. And if it doesn't work for someone, at least he or she hasn't fallen of the wagon with the SCD diet. What do you, and the rest of the group think? Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 19:15:40 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <9710170115.AA103754@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Jeff, > I need some support/advice. I=92ve been on SCD for about 3 weeks now. > Although I saw clear improvement the first 3 days, I have not seen any > more since. From your message, I see that you are eating too many foods too early in the diet since you still have diarreah. These include nut flour (which is irritating), black tea (wait till later), cooked vegetables or *cooked* fruit (can add to problem right now), chili-type stew (probably too spicy -- avoid spices for now, and you are probably using tomatoes --wait), raw nuts (more irritating than nut flour), raisins also wait). Even though these are all allowed on the diet, it does not mean they are ok for your system in the beginning of the SCD diet. They should only be introduced once the D. (6-10/day) is practically gone and you are having some normal BM. I have been on for 4 months now. I never introduced nut flour until 6-8 weeks (muffins and cookies). I tried cheese and eggs in the beginning but found they caused problems, so I recently re-introduced them (at 10-14 weeks) and now it is ok. Although I used eggs and honey in the cheesecake recipe, this did not seem to bother me. Ripe bananas (black spots) has only been about 3-4 weeks to add to my yogurt. My first cooked vegetables (beyond the carrots in the soup) were the spaghetti squash and zuchini (a squash). Squash is the first veggie we feed babies since it is easiest on their immature digestive systems (so good for our irritated bowels). I have still not introduced tomato juice. The book says wait 6 months for raw nuts and I think also raisins. So even though others on the list admitted to eating some of the above foods right away on the diet, they probably did not have much D. to deal with and their situation was not as bad as yours. ONLY INTRODUCE NEW FOODS ONE AT A TIME for a 2-3 days and see how your body reacts. If ok, then you can include it into your daily allowable foods. > Will the homemade yogurt contribute positively? Yes, I would say the homemade yogurt is important. My bloating and cramping went away within the first couple of weeks as I stuck to the very basic diet. I used to take Pepcid AC every night for the heartburn, however I have never taken any since the first day on SCD. Before I started the diet in June, I had lost 10 pounds in 4-5 months (not good). My GI wanted me to start tube-feeding myself at night (yes that means I had to insert the tube nasally by myself). Of course this was not an option in my view, so I committed to the SCD diet. Three months later, my GI says "good... so see me in three months". I think that comment speaks for itself. Stick with it, it takes time. Don't expect a miracle cure overnight. The end result is worth it. Of course this is my opinion based on my experiences. P.S. Raman, how is that for a testimonial :) Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and My Doctor Message-ID: <971016215030_981018316@emout01.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-16 12:40:47 EDT, you write: << which hi-protein diet, ZONE, PROTEIN-POWER (similar to zone) or Atkins ? >> I don't know and I don't think he did. E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:58:12 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Encourage me if you will.....2 Message-ID: <3446F064.3E9@snet.net> Dan, thanks so much for your quick, clear and specific feedback. I greatly appreciate it. I'm encouraged by your comments/experience. I'm also very glad that YOU are doing so well w/ the SCD. If you don't mind, tell me, what DID YOU EAT those first few months?! Also,any other personal experiences like dan's would be greatly apreciated ...Thanks Jeff ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <v01550102b06c37b8d8f2@[206.40.74.45]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Jeff...welcome... Black Tea? That has caffeine in it and is a no-no. Herbal only, preferably spearmint or peppermint (per Elaine in the book). Raw Nuts? Elaine says no nuts (except nut flour) until all diarrhea has cleared. (I'm on the diet 4 months as of yesterday and I'm still waiting!) Salad? Raw veggies are difficult for some people and can cause the diarrhea to persist. I haven't eaten any raw veggies since starting the diet because I still have the diarrhea; however, I am down to no more than 2 bm's in the morning so there has been a big improvement. Raisins can cause loose stools; if diarrhea is persistent, I'd not include them in my diet. I am only eating raw banana and then only when it has brown spots; otherwise, I cook the fruit and don't have it very often. I think it contributes to my diarrhea. So, these are my hints. Hope they are helpful. Hang in there. It takes a good while for the intestines to heal; I know. But, it is happening for me, and if you are painstakingly careful with your diet (re-read the book several times...I see something I have missed in prior readings each time) you will begin to see improvement. Good luck, Prateeksha. >Group Members and Friends, > >I need some support/advice. I=92ve been on SCD for about 3 weeks now. >Although I saw clear > improvement the first 3 days, I have not seen any more since. > >I=92ll furnish you with my eating habits (I=92ll be brief) as this may have >clues for you. > >Mornings: Nut flour bread/ muffins (made with cashew and almond ) black >tea and honey. >Note: I=92m waiting for yogurtmet to arrive, so I have not had any yogurt >thus far. > >Lunch: chicken or beef dish, with some cooked vegetable. > >Dinner: Same as lunch, or fish, or chili-type stew, sometimes with >salad. > >Snacks: apple or banana during cousre of day. At inception of diet I ate >more raw nuts and >raisin combo, less so now. > > >Some days are better than others. Still loose diarrhea BM's in the >majority (about 6 is a =93good=94 day, 10 on =93bad=94 day), bleeding= appears to >minimal. More cramping/bloating than actual pain, but this is really not >too bothersome. I am able to function fairly normally, i.e. I go to >work, work-out at gym, and maintain myself without any problems except >the =93inconvenience=94 of the above mentioned items. > >I am not taking any medication. > >So--Any counsel out there? Any =93been-there-done-that=92s=94 out there. Do= I >need to give it >more time?, If so how long?, Is this the normal process? Will the >homemade yogurt >contribute positively? > >I feel my enthusiam waning with each day that I don=92t perceive >improvement occurring. > >In short, =93HELP=94. > >Jeff ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will.....2 Message-ID: <v01550104b06c3e195888@[206.40.74.45]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- One other thing, Jeff, I forgot to mention: In the first 3 months of the Diet, I had to be very careful about mixing foods; had to keep it very simple. For instance: carrots. In the beginning, I'd steam them or bake them without even butter and no herbs (too complex) and now in the last month, have started adding butter and a little dried parsley flakes. At first, I'd just steam a little eggplant. Now, I saute mushrooms and a tiny bit of onion with the eggplant. So, adding more ingredients in one dish, makes it more complicated for the digestive system to handle. That's what we have to be careful of, those of us with diarrhea. Prateeksha >Dan, > >thanks so much for your quick, clear and specific feedback. I greatly >appreciate it. I'm encouraged by your comments/experience. I'm also very >glad that YOU are doing so well w/ the SCD. If you don't mind, tell me, >what DID YOU EAT those first few months?! > >Also,any other personal experiences like dan's would be greatly >apreciated ...Thanks > >Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:39:19 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD list 8/97 <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Food combining & the SCD Message-ID: <34475C77.7A0BF9B1@emory.edu> >>...My question is, if so many nutritionists who study the effects of food on the digestive system individually state the same thing about food combination, then why hasn't Elaine mention it? I know we don't have to be concerned about combining starch with protein, but I am a little bit concerned about fruit and other foods...>> I have wondered the same. I've tried the fit-for-life diet before I'd discovered the SCD, at a time when I was in a long remission from CD. I found that it increased my energy. I believe that Elaine's diet is based upon her research as a microbiologist, and her research on Dr. Haas. Her book is an effort to bring this breakthrough diet into the mainstream. Perhaps she hasn't wanted to dilute her findings with other theories, although related to health, not specific to curing IBD'ers. I have no basis for suspecting that Elaine would agree with the "fruit" combining aspects which aren't essential to the SCD. If you are smart (which you are or you wouldn't be here) you will do what works for you! I "forgot" about the fruit business, ate ribs and apples last night, and expect that my coworkers won't be happy campers today (fugure it out)! So, I hope I can incorporate this "habit" to avoid fruit during or after eating anything else on the SCD. It's just a matter of timing, dosen't mean I have to give up anyting else. I was wondering, though, if perhaps the SCD is really a food combining thing. Maybe we CAN eat starches, carbos, etc, but NOT with proteins. Maybe it is the combining that is irritating our stomachs, or preventing the proper breaking down, or absorption of the carbs. Anyone willing to be the guinnea pig and try eating starches by themselves and see it they get sicker? (I'm NOT!) Just wondering.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:49:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: The Zone Message-ID: <971017084927_126414851@emout01.mail.aol.com> Simone, I think you have a good attitude! I'm starting to find that following the SCD diet still leaves plenty of room for the dieter to interpret how the allowable foods should be put together. I know it would get lengthy, but I would be interested in examples of how others eat daily, especially for the beginning. One question - I love almond nut butter sold in the health food store. The only ingredient is roasted almonds, but because they are roasted, is that illegal? It's great with banana and a comforting, filling snack. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:52:49 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: more SCD recipes Message-ID: <971017145056_-627072104@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone, Here are some more recipes if you are interested. Simone :o) SMOOTHIES STRAWBERRY 1 C apple cider 6-8 medium strawberies (fresh or frozen) 1 medium banana (fresh or frozen) DUTCH APPLE 1 C apple cider 1 large sweet apple, peeled, quartered, and cored 2-3 pitless dates 1 small banana (fresh or frozen) dash of ground cinnamon DATE-APPLE-STRAWBERRY 1 C apple cider 1 small apple, peeled, quartered, and cored 2 large pitless dates 5 medium strawberries APPLE-MELON 1 C apple cider 2 C seeded watermelon 2 frozen bananas APPLEBERRY 1 C apple cider 2 apples, peeled, quartered, and cored 1/2 C blueberries (fresh or frozen) 1 medium banana (fresh or frozen) 2 dates (opt) BANANA MILK 1 date peeled and seeded 1 C water 1 large ripe banana Blend the date in a little water first, then add the banana and the remaining water. ------------------------------------------------------ VEGETABLES ASPARAGUS BOLOGNESE 2 lb medium asparagus, trimmed 2 Tbs, olive oil 1/4 C minced red or green onion 3 med. tomatoes, peeled, seeded, diced 3 Tbs. minced fresh basil salt and pepper 3 Tbs fresh lemon juice 1 Tbs fresh chives 1. In a large pot of boiling water, cook asparagus for 3 minutes or until bright green and barely tender. Remove with thongs to a bowl of ice water to cool. Drain, pat dry, and arrange on a serving platter. 2. In a medium bowl, whisk together onion, basil, lemon juice, and oil. When well combined, stir in tomatoes and season to taste with salt and pepper. Spoon over asparagus. Garnish with chives. PETITE PEAS WITH THYME AND GARLIC 1 Tbs olive oil 1 large garlic clove, minced 1 (16-oz) bag frozen petite peas 1/2 tsp. dried thyme 2 C Butter or Romaine lettuce salt and pepper 1. Heat oil in skillet and add garlic and peas. Add thyme and lettuce 2. Mix well, then cover and steam over low heat for 5 minutes. Peas should be bright but tender ans lettuce should be wilted. Season to taste. SKILLET PEAS AND ROSEMARY 1/2 C red onion, diced 1 Tbs olive oil 2 C fresh spinach, chopped 1/4 C diced tomato 1/2 tsp. resemary, tied in cheesecloth salt and pepper to taste 1. Heat onion in skillet with oil until tender. Add spinach and peas and saute briefly. 2. Add tomato and rosemary bundle and continue sasuteing until spinach is wilted and pes anre tender, approximately 3 minutes. Season to taste. Remove the rosemary bundle. ITALIAN STYLE ZUCCHINI 2 large or 4 small zucchini 2 tsp. dried oregano 1-2 tsp. minced garlic 1 tsp. paprika 2 Tbs. olive oil ground pepper 2 tsp. dried basil 1. You may use a food processor to cut zucchini into 1/8 inch strips. 2. Combine garlic with olive oil in a small bowl, then add half of mixtured to a large nonstick skillet with half the zucchini. Season with half the herbs and paprika, and saute over medium-high heat, turning with thongs until zucchini is bright geen and al dente. Remove from skillet and set aside. 3. Repeat proess with remaining ingredients. Transfer zucchini to a serving dish and season to taste with pepper EASY ZUCCHINI AND VEGETABLES IN A SKILLET ***You may use any combination of vegetables you prefer. 2-3 Tbs. olive oil 1 1/2 C small cauliflower florets 1 medium onion, sliced 3 C coarsely chopped caggage 1 med. clove garlic, minced 2 C thinly sliced zucchini 1 tsp. thyme 1 large tomato, peeled, chopped (including juice) 1 to 1 1/2 C water or broth 2 Tbs fresh minced basil (opt) 2 C small brocoli florets ground pepper to taste. 1. Heat half of oil in a large nonstick skillet. Add onion, garlic, thyme, and oregano and saute over mediun heat, stirring frequently for 2 minutes, adding a few Tbs. of water or broth to prevent scorching. 2. Add the broccoli and caulifower florets to the skillet and continue sauteing, stirring constantly, adding water or broth in 1/4 Cup increments as neded to keep the vegetables moist and allow them to cook through. Saute until vegetables turn bright color, approximately 3 minutes. 3. Stir in the cabbage, zucchini, chopped tomato with its juice, and remaining olive oil. Continue sauteing the vegetables, stirring constantly. Add fresh basil (opt) and water or broth if needed to keep the vegetables moist. Saute an additional 5 minutes until all vegetables are tender. Season with pepper. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:42:10 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food combining & the SCD Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460BFC75@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I attempted to treat my GI flare ups over the past 10 years with the Candida Diet, which rather rapidly allows things like yeast free breads, rice, ricecakes, store bought Yoghurt etc. Can't have fruit really at all at any time on that diet until after all symptoms are basically gone. After only about 20 days, I can attest unequivocally, at least for me, that SCD works and Candida Diet does not. I know a lot of people with alledged Candida problems who did not progress at all on the Candida Diet. I think it simply misses the underlying problem of why Microbes have an opportunity to hurt the GI tract in the first place- the bodies inability to digest complex sugars. Their theory is that Complex is better cause the microbes have a harder time breaking these down for their food, but simple sugars really "feed" the candida. Comparing my 20 days on SCD to the months and months on the Candida Diet with very difficult, painful progress, is just no comparison. I feel I have proven to at least myself (and my wife), that the truth is that eating simple sugars feeds us, and eating complex carbo's feed the bad guys and ends up huting us! So in response to you offer to try our something different than SCD where "food combining" with starches etc is ok, NO THANKS. Been there... Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Cirillo [SMTP:mcirill@emory.edu] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 5:39 AM > To: SCD list 8/97 > Subject: Food combining & the SCD > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>...My question is, if so many nutritionists who study the effects of > food on the > digestive system individually state the same thing about food > combination, > then why hasn't Elaine mention it? I know we don't have to be > concerned > > about combining starch with protein, but I am a little bit concerned > about > fruit and other foods...>> > > I have wondered the same. I've tried the fit-for-life diet before I'd > discovered the SCD, at a time when I was in a long remission from CD. > I > found that it increased my energy. I believe that Elaine's diet is > based upon her research as a microbiologist, and her research on Dr. > Haas. Her book is an effort to bring this breakthrough diet into the > mainstream. Perhaps she hasn't wanted to dilute her findings with > other > theories, although related to health, not specific to curing IBD'ers. > I > have no basis for suspecting that Elaine would agree with the "fruit" > combining aspects which aren't essential to the SCD. If you are smart > (which you are or you wouldn't be here) you will do what works for > you! > I "forgot" about the fruit business, ate ribs and apples last night, > and > expect that my coworkers won't be happy campers today (fugure it out)! > So, I hope I can incorporate this "habit" to avoid fruit during or > after > eating anything else on the SCD. It's just a matter of timing, > dosen't > mean I have to give up anyting else. > > I was wondering, though, if perhaps the SCD is really a food combining > thing. Maybe we CAN eat starches, carbos, etc, but NOT with proteins. > Maybe it is the combining that is irritating our stomachs, or > preventing > the proper breaking down, or absorption of the carbs. Anyone willing > to > be the guinnea pig and try eating starches by themselves and see it > they > get sicker? (I'm NOT!) Just wondering.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:01:05 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Water Chestnuts, cornstarch and soy sauce Message-ID: <88256533.0072E00E.00@baxworld.com> Hello everyone, I have questions concerning these three items: 1) Water Chestnuts - does anyone know if these are permissible? In Elaine's book she says that Watercress is but doen's mention Water Chestnuts. 2) Cornstarch - if one was to 'adapt' a recipe to the SCD and it called for cornstarch as a thickener what would you use instead? 3) Soy sauce - again, in an effort to adapt a recipe to the SCD that originally called for 1/4 c. soy sauce, any suggestions on what to use in it's place? If anyone has some ideas, please let me know. I'll try them out and if the adapted recipe is near as good as the original I will share the recipe with the group. Thanks Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: enemas Message-ID: <971017182534_1666961402@emout08.mail.aol.com> In Bill's response to Kay - right on Bill. I would have been dead by now had it not been for colemas and further more, whether ANY of the people on the scd diet want to admit it or not, this is exactly what they probably need. the gut MUST be cleaned out before ANY pathogen is going to be dealt with. healing the gut and cleaning the gut are two different things. if you heal the gut and dont clean, i dont know how anyone can get well. if you clean the gut and dont heal will promote the same outcome. Joan ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #72 ********************** SCD-list Sat, 18 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 73 In this issue: Enemas: coffee type & others Re: Encourage me if you will..... Re: time to go Re: Food combination Nausea RE: Encourage me if you will.....2 Re: Food combining & the SCD Gummy Bears ... onward, Gummy soldiers! Linda Re: Food combining & the SCD celiac list address Re: celiac list address Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? 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Re: Effect of "cheating" -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:55:12 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Enemas: coffee type & others Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971017165512.006a3134@smartt.com> If anyone wants to read further about a detox method using enemas (among other things), try to get a hold of "The Gerson Primer" & "A Cancer Therapy", about a protocol used by The Gerson Institute (run by the wife & son of a now-dead 1930-1960's US physician, Max Gerson). 1/800-838-2256 or (619) 267-6441 or POBBox 430 Bonita CA 91908. The "Primer" is about $25, and describes in detail the protocol they use in their clinic (unfortunately, in Mexico) for people who either can't afford it there, are too ill to travel, or simply want to do it on their own. The "A Cancer Therapy" describes the travails of Max Gerson MD and his fights with the medical "establishment". The full title is "A Cancer Therapy: Results of 50 cases, and the Cure of Advanced Cancer by Diet Therapy, a Summary of 30 years of clinical experimentation" (whew! how's that for a long title!?) ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:16:14 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971017171614.006a99f0@smartt.com> Dear Jeff: 1) Remember, that this diet does NOT work for everyone ... you, like I, M= AY be one of the unexplainable "doesn't work" ones ! 2) For what it's worth, my comments interspersed between yours ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 10:01 AM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Group Members and Friends, > >I need some support/advice. I=92ve been on SCD for about 3 weeks now.=20 >Although I saw clear > improvement the first 3 days, I have not seen any more since. > >I=92ll furnish you with my eating habits (I=92ll be brief) as this may h= ave >clues for you. > >Mornings: Nut flour bread/ muffins (made with cashew and almond ) black >tea and honey. I'd say black tea is a definite no-no: the caffeine & theobromine & other alkaloids in it are definitely not to be advised in colitis, I'd say. In severe periods, honey may also be a good idea to give up. >Note: I=92m waiting for yogurtmet to arrive, so I have not had any yogur= t >thus far. > >Lunch: chicken or beef dish, with some cooked vegetable. > Do you add soya sauce (which usually contains wheat), or MSG-type stuff t= o the "dish"? How do you make your lunch tasty? Try focusing, during this acute phase, on pureed cooked vegetables, and g= o back to reading about which vegetables to use (e.g. avoid starchy ones li= ke corn and potato, right? People sometimes forget these basic points) >Dinner: Same as lunch, or fish, or chili-type stew, sometimes with >salad. > What's the chil/stew thickener? corn starch? wheat flour? And again: what are the spices you use? >Snacks: apple or banana during cousre of day. At inception of diet I ate >more raw nuts and=20 >raisin combo, less so now. > > >Some days are better than others. Still loose diarrhea BM's in the >majority (about 6 is a =93good=94 day, 10 on =93bad=94 day),=20 Hey, what are you beefing about? That's not too bad at all.=20 >bleeding appears to >minimal. More cramping/bloating than actual pain, but this is really not >too bothersome. I am able to function fairly normally, i.e. I go to >work, work-out at gym, and maintain myself without any problems except >the =93inconvenience=94 of the above mentioned items. > >I am not taking any medication. > >So--Any counsel out there? Any =93been-there-done-that=92s=94 out there.= =20 Are you drinking any carbonated bev's (i.e. soda pop / beer)? Don't. >Do I >need to give it=20 >more time?, If so how long?, =20 I believe Elaine says stick to it for 1 - 2 months "fanatically", THEN decide. =20 >Is this the normal process?=20 There IS no normal process, from what I've noted via my friends, acquaintances & this list-group. >Will the >homemade yogurt=20 >contribute positively? > >I feel my enthusiam waning with each day that I don=92t perceive >improvement occurring. > Yeah, I know what you mean. Here's an idea: set a deadline for your decision, mark it in the calendar, so you'll have a clear time-goal to ai= m toward, it makes "fanatical adherence" more bearable; THEN assess your results & decide whether to continue or move on to something else. >In short, =93HELP=94. > >Jeff > > OK, hang in there, Jeff my man, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT=20 Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:56:35 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: mardi <seanyboy@ils.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: time to go Message-ID: <199710180156.UAA26878@server1.ils.net> At 02:54 PM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Before I started the diet I have had what I call pain in my ribs. So far no >doctor has diagnosed >what it is. A good friend of my said she experienced the same kind of >excrutiating pain and she >was diagnosed with an esophigal ulcer. I don't have the pain all the time, >but I notice it when >I have been on my feet too long...like in the kitchen preparing all the >things for the SCD; or when >I wear too tight of clothing. > >Does anybody else experience this or know what in the world it could be? I >don't know where to >start and/or whether the diet will also help this condition? > >Thanks >Linda > >Yes, yes, I have this same exact pain. Does it hurt you so bad that you are literally rolling around in pain? I have had this for the past 20 years, and yet no tests can identify what this pain is (and I've had them all it seems like!) The diet has helped me with my IBS (or Chrons, they're not sure which...sigh), but I still get these attacks of pain about once or twice a month. When it's bad I keep taking Tylenol 3's every few hours until the pain stops, it usually lasts about 8 hours before it lets up. If you or anybody on this list has a better solution re treatment or prevention of these attacks, I would love to hear about it. Mardi in Ontario. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:39:41 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combination Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971017173941.006a47d0@smartt.com> Yes, I also agree that reading Barry Sears' "The Zone" is a useful addition to everyone working with the SCD. Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:34:29 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Nausea Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D67@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Has anyone ever found something that works well for nausea? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:34:28 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@saleslogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Encourage me if you will.....2 Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460A1D66@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Jeff, I have only been on SCD 20 days and I started slow and added some foods a little too quickly and had to back off to basics too. I do feel much, much better though so hang in there. Also, I did try to stop my diahrea with Imodium and the D laughed at it. Tried Pepto and my D had a field day. But to my great suprise, a product called Equalactin, which I found in Smiths, a large grocery chain here, actually worked. Just a suggestion. Might be worth a try. pat > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff goldschlager [SMTP:jlager@snet.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 9:58 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Encourage me if you will.....2 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan, > > thanks so much for your quick, clear and specific feedback. I greatly > appreciate it. I'm encouraged by your comments/experience. I'm also > very > glad that YOU are doing so well w/ the SCD. If you don't mind, tell > me, > what DID YOU EAT those first few months?! > > Also,any other personal experiences like dan's would be greatly > apreciated ...Thanks > > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:42:17 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Food combining & the SCD Message-ID: <01bcdb80$36bec4e0$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD list 8/97 <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 6:37 AM Subject: Food combining & the SCD > snip>-------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone willing to >be the guinnea pig and try eating starches by themselves and see it they >get sicker? (I'm NOT!) Just wondering.... > Matthew Been there, did that, dont do it anymore. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:47:26 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: barb@hoss.bc.ca, scd-list@longisland.com Subject: Gummy Bears ... onward, Gummy soldiers! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971017214726.006abb74@smartt.com> So that's a couple of folks who've now said that they (surprisingly) felt good when they did an occasional binge. Well, that's the odd thing that sometimes has happend to me & my UC, too ... I'd "sin" (have some junk food, like ... gummy bears! or anything with sugar) and the next day have a "paradox reaction" (i.e. feel really well), but the day AFTER that I'd be worse off. I don't know WHAT the heck that weird pattern means, but if we had a biochemicist on board may s/he could explain this weirdness! Dietmar > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:24:03 -0600 (MDT) >From: Bruno Melli <bruno@hpesbpm.fc.hp.com> >Subject: Gummy Bears !!! > > >This is probably just coincidence, but during this last UC >flairup I can swear that I feel better the day after I eat any kind of >"gummy candies". Gunny bears, gummy worms... I'm kind of a sugar >addict so if I go to the movies I basically eat most of the package by >myself. > >So again, probably just coincidence but hey, if anybody is looking for >an alternative to all the healthy diet stuff suggested in this mailing >list, just go see a movie, binge on the gummy bears, and let me know >if that helps. (And no, I don't own stock in whoever makes gummy bears >:-) > >bruno. > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Re: Gummy Bears !!! > >Hey bruno!!! >That coincident also gave me a wonderfull week in London last spring! >I worried a lot for that week in preadvance with unknown toilets in >this unknown city and at the same time I couldnt help eating winegums >and bakeries and all kinds of sweets like never before. I thought it >could only end in staying at the hotel for the rest of the week but >instead I felt good and healthy like never before! = > > >This UC of mine might not be so bad after all, when the best cure for >it might be gummy bears and fine cigars! >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* >Home Office System Support >Vancouver, B.C., Canada >http://hoss.bc.ca >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Linda Message-ID: <971018005613_135243929@emout15.mail.aol.com> Linda - you posted a note and wanted to talk to Bill before he left. if you didnt catch his address, it was: btren@bestweb.net Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:26:47 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combining & the SCD Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971017222647.006b26c4@smartt.com> Dear M: That's an excellent question ... my naturopath said NEVER to combine protein foods with starches: protein either by themselves or with non-starchy veggies or with ACID fruits (i.e. grapefruit). Starches go with sweet (i.e. non-acid) fruits. Veggies go with all other groups (i.e. OK with proteins or with fruits or with starches. That's what he says, anyway, and he's in his late 80's and spry as a young kitten, even does headstands still! (He showed me to prove it ... bit off a show-off, he is!). Dietmar >I was wondering, though, if perhaps the SCD is really a food combining >thing. Maybe we CAN eat starches, carbos, etc, but NOT with proteins. >Maybe it is the combining that is irritating our stomachs, or preventing >the proper breaking down, or absorption of the carbs. Anyone willing to >be the guinnea pig and try eating starches by themselves and see it they >get sicker? (I'm NOT!) Just wondering.... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 06:32:53 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <scd-list@longisland.com> Subject: celiac list address Message-ID: <01bcdbc1$f4503700$LocalHost@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BCDB8F.A9B5C700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To the group Can someone give me the address and how to subscribe to the Celiac list. Also what grains can they eat? I understand they must avoid gluten . This information for a local support group, along with this list, and a = sales pitch. I,m going right into the enemies camp. Hope I dont get clobbered too = bad. William =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BCDB8F.A9B5C700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>To the group</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Can someone give me the address and = how to=20 subscribe to the Celiac list.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Also what grains can they eat? I = understand they=20 must avoid gluten .</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>This information for a local support = group,=20 along with this list, and a sales pitch.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I,m going right into the enemies = camp. Hope I=20 dont get clobbered too bad.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>William</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BCDB8F.A9B5C700-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: celiac list address Message-ID: <971018093811_1689755508@emout05.mail.aol.com> William, You can get information about celiac disease, including what to eat, (which I do not think is entirely correct) from www.sfu.cal~jfremont/celiacresources.html also a mailing list from - listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu I hope you are also going to give the SCD information right along with it to give people all the facts. Uncured on the celiac diet, Jane. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:42:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Message-ID: <971018094214_579857714@emout10.mail.aol.com> Although miracles can't happen overnight, they do happen. I have been on the diet for eight months and have shown great improvement. But it did take time. Be patient and results will come. Not all at once, but they will come. Good Luck! -Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Reaching Elaine Message-ID: <971018094917_1066821429@emout14.mail.aol.com> This is Elaine's home number: 905-349-3443 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 06:53:30 -0700 From: Emancipation <emancpat@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: shaky feeling Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971018065926.2c879040@megamed.com> I used to eat a lot of whole wheat and other carbos. I have been on SCD and feel shaky. Is that normal? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Jesemeana Message-ID: <971018095828_1933739576@emout17.mail.aol.com> I was taken off asacol as a result of being on the scd. The first 2 weeks I took it 2 times a day and the next 2 weeks I took it once a day. I hope this helps you people who are weaning yourself off of the medication. -Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:02:49 -0700 From: Emancipation <emancpat@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: shaky feeling Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971018070844.2c7f0b08@megamed.com> Does anyone have any information on SCD and schizophrenia? Also, what is the website address for info on SCD? Thanks, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Gummy Bears ... onward, Gummy soldiers! Message-ID: <971018101045_1933688828@emout14.mail.aol.com> Dietmar, As someone who suffers from some symptoms of hypoglycemia, I can say that junk food will give you a temporary "sugar high", especially when you haven't had it in a while. You will feel temporarily great, like an addict getting drugs. It can be very powerful and just as dangerous. The pancreas will put out extra insulin and then a downward spiral can begin ( that feeling 2 days later). Treatment - high protein diet. I'm no biochemist, obviously, but that's my 2 cents! Jane P.S. If a person is healthy, than once in a while that's okay, but I find I just crave more. I'm sure that's what got me into this trouble. Also happens with eating carbos because they are readily turned into sugar. Have you heard the term carbohydrate sensitivity? I think we all know that once you go off this kind of food for a while you crave it less and less. It is amazing how people react when you tell them you don't eat sugar or bread, they say "I couldn't live without my bread, pasta, chocolate, etc. I even have a friend with severe UC that still won't read the book because she fears life without pasta! Food is a powerful drug! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Effect of "cheating" Message-ID: <971018111525_1310570042@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hi Guys! I've been on the diet faithfully for a month and a half. It's made a huge difference in my life. It eliminated the bloating, pain, and lack of energy that had induced my doctor to certify me as 80% disabled--permanently. Anyway, I am so thrilled with the results that I am not tempted to cheat and am generally very careful. But twice now I've had an intense reaction to food served in a restaurant that I took as an indication that I had accidently ingested an unallowed ingredient. The thing is that since being on the diet I seem to have become "ultra sensitive" to the unallowable ingredients even though I didn't seem very sensitive to them before. I'm wondering (a) if others have had the same reaction and (b) if anyone has any insight as to what I was reacting to. I'll tell the story. In the first incident, a restaurant gave me a steak that had been marinated in a pepper marinade (I had ordered plain). Twenty minutes after I ate I was doubled over with lower abdominal pain. I worried I might need a bathroom. That night I was in a lot of pain. The next two days I was quite ill. Bloating, diahrrea, pain, lack of energy. Last night I ate at a Morrocan restaurant. They serve a 7 course feast. This is actually a place that I routinely eat at a few times a year. When I was the sickest, I often ate there with friends because I could lie down while we all ate and socialized! (everyone lounges on sofas and pillow there). Another plus was that the food never bothered me--it was always a "safe" place to eat. (Food from that part of the world has always agreed especially well with me, perhaps because they are the foods I was raised on.) I was careful about my selections and skipped a couple of courses entirely. Their food is simple and all prepared from fresh ingredients. I had one bite of the carrot salad and didn't have any more because the dressing seem a bit sweet & sour and I wondered whether there was sugar in it. A couple bites of the eggplant with olive oil, and a couple of bites of the cucumber/tomato salad in oil & vinegar. I ate the chicken roasted with olive oil, lemons, and olives. I ate the lamb with honey and almonds. At one point they prepared fresh "dolmas" for me because they saw I couldn't eat several of the courses. I passed them around the table because they are grape leaves filled with rice/chickpeas. I did unwrap one of them, scraping the grape leaf clean, and tasted just the grape leaf. About 20 minutes after I ate I got the same intense cramping and pain as I had from the marinade. I started to worry about how I would drive home in such a state. Luckily it subsided after a few minutes and I got home without incident. Today I don't feel too bad. Just a little tired which isn't surprising or significant after the week I've had. So, the pain incident seems like it was a mild reaction relative to the one I had to the marinade. Obviously I've learned my lesson about feeling overly comfortable with my morrocan place. Even though the full course menu never bothered me before, it seems even a small bit of an illegal ingredient causes this intense pain and cramping. I'm very curious if others have had this reaction to an illegal ingredient and what the ingredient was. Ellen PS. Yes, I know I shouldn't have even tasted the salads or taken liberties with the grape leaf. I remembered the salads as just being in a vinagerette, and I felt badly that they had prepared something especially for me and felt obligated to taste it. I won't do that again. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: B4FL@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Nausea Message-ID: <971018121023_660941992@emout04.mail.aol.com> Pat, We have found that Emetrol works well also sipping Gatorade, however I doubt either of these solutions are acceptable to the diet but don't know for sure as we used them before our SCD days. Barb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: opinions on supplements Message-ID: <971018122133_-593895389@emout16.mail.aol.com> Supplements are very important but we use Freeda vitamins which were recommended for this diet. if you have any questions about this e-mail me. Good luck! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: food combining and the SCD Message-ID: <971018122341_1400965117@emout15.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:39:19 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD list 8/97 <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Food combining & the SCD Message-ID: <34475C77.7A0BF9B1@emory.edu> ***** You're looking for a guinea pig? Well, a year ago I began following the Fit For Life food combination. Back then there was to clue that I had Crohn's. Like you, I had an over-abundance of energy. I was on that strict diet for almost a year ( I am certain I had Crohn's already because some not-so-apparent symptoms began to manifest themselves). Instead of getting better, I got progessively worse, obviously. I began to cheat about several months ago (ie. sandwiches). But I was primarily still vegetarian. In fact I was the bread queen. Bloating and cramping began to be a problem around June. That's when I went on a 11 day raw food fast (fruit, vegetables and fesh juices). The bloating and cramping went away completely. I felt energetic and wonderful. Then I went back to starches. So the bloating / craping returned with a vegence. I did not eat any kind of dairy, and ate organic foods. I drank soy or rice milk with organic health food cereal so as to not combine animal protein with starches, and not to upset my system with lactose. No use. Not until did I eliminate all starches on the SCD diet did my bloating and cramping go away. So, I was my personal guinea pig for a long time trying everything, and it still comes down to starches. Well, there you have it. Simone >>...My question is, if so many nutritionists who study the effects of food on the digestive system individually state the same thing about food combination, then why hasn't Elaine mention it? I know we don't have to be concerned about combining starch with protein, but I am a little bit concerned about fruit and other foods...>> I have wondered the same. I've tried the fit-for-life diet before I'd discovered the SCD, at a time when I was in a long remission from CD. I found that it increased my energy. I believe that Elaine's diet is based upon her research as a microbiologist, and her research on Dr. Haas. Her book is an effort to bring this breakthrough diet into the mainstream. Perhaps she hasn't wanted to dilute her findings with other theories, although related to health, not specific to curing IBD'ers. I have no basis for suspecting that Elaine would agree with the "fruit" combining aspects which aren't essential to the SCD. If you are smart (which you are or you wouldn't be here) you will do what works for you! I "forgot" about the fruit business, ate ribs and apples last night, and expect that my coworkers won't be happy campers today (fugure it out)! So, I hope I can incorporate this "habit" to avoid fruit during or after eating anything else on the SCD. It's just a matter of timing, dosen't mean I have to give up anyting else. I was wondering, though, if perhaps the SCD is really a food combining thing. Maybe we CAN eat starches, carbos, etc, but NOT with proteins. Maybe it is the combining that is irritating our stomachs, or preventing the proper breaking down, or absorption of the carbs. Anyone willing to be the guinnea pig and try eating starches by themselves and see it they get sicker? (I'm NOT!) Just wondering.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: nuts Message-ID: <971018122506_-2146737647@emout12.mail.aol.com> if you need something crucnchy why don't yo try hard fruits and vegatiables lik celery and apples. heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: another colonoscopy Message-ID: <971018122902_-1394178669@emout16.mail.aol.com> i heard about a new colonscopy that eliminates the nastly liquid you must drink before the test. Ask your doctor about it! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:01:50 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: The Spiritual Connection Message-ID: <01bcdbf8$4a9851c0$LocalHost@backpack> Hi Folks, I'm sure that many of you have experienced the same exasperation that I have had in trying to find a health professional that has the correct recipe to return you to health. Out of this exasperation we were all motivated to find alternative ways to treat our diseases, some ways of which were at odds with the medical establishment. This search led me to this Internet support group. I've been on the diet for almost three months now and have seen the improvements. Although I can't tolerate a lot of the foods on the SCD, the foods that I can eat are well tolerated. But, one question that has nagged at me for the last few years is "why am I intolerant of all of these foods all of the sudden(in the last 6 years)." I often try to look towards a spiritual connection for such answers. I believe we evolve spiritually through many incarnated lives. I also believe that we are all on a path to achieve balance in spirit through the incarnated lives that we have. So because of this belief I find that I ask myself, "what is the spiritual lesson that I'm supposed to learn through this health challenge." I frequently seek council from a women in Fresno who is very spiritually and psychically connected. I've received answers to many of the perplexing issues in my life through her sessions with me. She has been doing this for people for 46 years. At first I was skeptical, so in my first session I asked her to give me a reading (this was before I told her anything about myself). Within ten minutes she told me everything about the major aspects of my personality for the 42 years of my life. She also told me that I was receiving a disability payment from the veteran's administration, that I had one daughter who was married and carrying a child, and many other things. Needless to say, I was convinced of her authenticity. She also told me that I was going to live a very long life. That's good to hear in light of the cancer risk that I face with this digestive disorder. Since the initial consultation I've seen this counselor many times and have asked her questions about this lousy health challenge of mine. I asked how long I was going to have to put up with Chron's. She said that my spirit guides said "for as long as I need it (the disease)." Spirit guides don't make life easy on us. They only give us the information that we really need, when we need it. Other than that we have to work to discover the answers for ourselves. As the discussion over this problem continued, my counselor told me that my catering personality has a lot to do with this disease. She said I have a ministerial spirit and the many of my lives have been as a minister, monk, holy man, care taker, counselor for troubled youths, and so forth. But the balance I must achieve is to know when to "let go and let God." Since it is my nature to take care of others in need, I find it very difficult to let go of people in need when they persist towards a path of self-distruction. For most of this life, I've been surrounded very closely with people that need to be able to fall on their faces to learn the lessons that they need to learn in life. I end up being their temporary savior from learning what they must learn through the school of hard knocks. My counselor says I just make their lives easy for them because when I take care of them they don't have to work on the major issues that they need to work on in their own lives. She says that I'm actually doing them and myself a disservice. I have a bad habit of taking care of these people when they aren't ready for it. I only torment myself because I end up enduring abuse from the very people that I'm trying to help. I go through a lot of internal aguish, yet there is always this inability within me to say "NO" to someone that I really should let go of. To make a long story short, the disease that I am living with today is a manifestation of my inability to "let go and let God." My counselor told me that I've been working on this for many lives, but I still haven't gotten it. She said that I confuse love with having to take care of others. The cost of this is that I don't take care of my own needs which prevents me from living in harmony with myself. As a result my physical system is out of balance. Until I learn to "let go" when needed, yet still "LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY," I will continue to suffer. My counselor also said that if we have lived many lives in a specific geographic location that we can develop intolerances to foods that are prevalent to that area. This is supposed to happen to allow us to achieve balance by living in geographic areas other than the areas that we are most comfortable with. Just food for thought (no pun intended), Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Startup Diet Message-ID: <971018162648_1700814541@emout08.mail.aol.com> although the book mentioned to start off slow...i started full blast. my cd was not that bad and i still had postivie results. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Liz - Carbos Message-ID: <971018172411_39944856@emout18.mail.aol.com> if you are lacking carbs in your diet, drink alot of fruit juices. They are high in carbs and taste great! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:30:59 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Beginning on the Diet Message-ID: <971018172924_1111101338@emout02.mail.aol.com> For breakfast, eggs are the major breakfast food. There are many ways to make them so rotate these ideas for different tastes. deviled eggs eggs and cheese normal eggs hard boiled soft boiles eggs with ketchup and mustard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:35:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fruit Message-ID: <971018173116_-924600550@emout07.mail.aol.com> if you are afraid to try fruits right away why don't you cook an apple and sprinkle it with cinnimon. it tastes great especially on cold days. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:51:00 -0700 From: Emancipation <emancpat@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fruit Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971018145655.2c777fb4@megamed.com> At 05:35 PM 10/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >if you are afraid to try fruits right away why don't you cook an apple and >sprinkle it with cinnimon. it tastes great especially on cold days. > >Heather > Heather, What if you have a candida problem? Don't you have to be careful with fruits/juices? Also, do we need to take an antifungal when on SCD, or does it "starve out" the candida? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:06:15 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Stevia Message-ID: <971018180522_-1495005681@emout09.mail.aol.com> Hello, Does anyone know anything regarding Stevia (a sweetner derived from a plant) and the SCD diet? Is it allowed? I haven't seen it mentioned yet anywhere. Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Re: Fruit Message-ID: <971018181955_627429913@emout11.mail.aol.com> I am not an expert on the diet. If you want you ca call Elaine. Her number is 905-349-3443 Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:29:02 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Gummy Bears ... onward, Gummy soldiers! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971018152902.006a6728@smartt.com> At 10:11 AM 10/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dietmar, >As someone who suffers from some symptoms of hypoglycemia, I can say that >junk food will give you a temporary "sugar high", especially when you haven't >had it in a while. You will feel temporarily great, like an addict getting >drugs. It can be very powerful and just as dangerous. The pancreas will put >out extra insulin and then a downward spiral can begin ( that feeling 2 days >later). Yes, I started to understand that "suger high" insulin-glucagon "cat chasing its tail" cycle when I read Sears' "The Zone" book. Strangely enough, I felt these cravings much more BEFORE my bowel surgery; now, 7 weeks post-op, I seem to have practically lost this vicious "drug-addict-crazed" craving for sweets, only eating some occasional mostly "out of habit" but I can't say I'm really enjoying it ... only ice cream seems to taste OK, the rest simply seems too sweet or ugly-tasting, whereas "good" food tastes much nicer to me. Maybe it's because now I "can" eat all that junk, or maybe something about my metabolism has changed ... I dunno! >Treatment - high protein diet. I'm no biochemist, obviously, but >that's my 2 cents! Actually, I find I get a "sweets" croving MOST after a high-meat meal (e.g. 2 bbq'd hamburgers, or a nice steak); personally, I'm leaning more toward increasing my fat & veggies intake, which don't seem to make me "sweets-hungry" after eating, than high-protein, of which I get ample already. Jane >P.S. If a person is healthy, than once in a while that's okay, but I find I >just crave more. I'm sure that's what got me into this trouble. Also >happens with eating carbos because they are readily turned into sugar. Have >you heard the term carbohydrate sensitivity? I think we all know that once >you go off this kind of food for a while you crave it less and less. Ah, maybe THAT's what's happened to me? I spent 2 months in hospital (I'm in Canada, so I didn't go broke on that little adventure), and during that time didn't eat much carbo-wise. But, no, I had not heard that specific term "Carbohydrate sensitivity" though isn't that the gist of Sears' & Elaine Gottschall's & "The Yeast Connections" thinking/methods? >It is >amazing how people react when you tell them you don't eat sugar or bread, >they say "I couldn't live without my bread, pasta, chocolate, etc. I even >have a friend with severe UC that still won't read the book because she fears >life without pasta! Food is a powerful drug! > > Well, I have to admit, it IS difficutl to wind your way through meals without refined carbo's, esp. grain products. Now that I "can" eat them again, I must honestly say I DO enjoy my food much more, but I won't belabour you with details about crisp rye bread, etc. I'm not sure which is the more "natural" (i.e. in tune with the body's true Nature) way to eat: avoid all grains & starches as Elaine says, or DO eat them if one's body tolerates them. It seems to me the Roman soldiers were issued rations of hearty grain breads, and they were hardy as hell, conquering whole continents. I don't know what the ultimate answer is, maybe folks (like you & I) with IBD are simply genetic abberations, so we just have to wind our way through the maze of our IBD, using the tools at our disposal, whereas in olden days we would simply have been eliminated through processes of evolution by dying out? Who knows ... Very nice of you to write, Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Effect of "cheating" Message-ID: <971018185636_2090421306@emout17.mail.aol.com> Ellen, I'm going out to eat tonight and just read your message! It's an Italian restaurant, but I know they always have a fresh fish and I'll order it P-L-A-I-N and oil and vingar for the salad - mix it all together and I'll have a fish salad! I know what you mean about not having a food and becoming over-sensitive when you try it again. A couple of years ago I went off all dairy even though I was eating it alright. I had dark circles under my eyes and had become a vegetarian, so why not go vegan. Well, during the summer I tried several times to have a frozen yogurt - severe D. Was always able to eat it before. In one health book, I read about a Dr. who would put allergy patients in the hospital for a week, NPO (kind of like us not eating something for a while). Then introduce one food group at a time to see if there was a reaction. Obviously, if there was, that food was to be avoided (I feel he was only treating the symptoms though and not the root of the problem). So I guess you have some allergy to the foods your were reintroducing. When you eat a little of all kinds of food, even ones you might be allergic to, your system builds up a tolerance for it. When you go off of the allergic substance you no longer retain that tolerance. I also believe that when your body truly does become healthy again the extreme sensitivities you experienced will diminish and we will not be sickly, allergic people. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #73 **********************
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