SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Thu, 9 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 64 In this issue: quick snacks Re: Start up diet Re: To the Yoghurt Yogis Blueberry Lemon Muffins Re: Rookie Re: pecan flour Re: Rookie Re: SCD and periods New agent for Crohn's I may have to pay someone Re: To the Yoghurt Yogis Re: SCD and periods Re: I may have to pay someone Re: I may have to pay someone Re: I may have to pay someone Celaic Article by EG Re: cheese snacks Re: SCD and periods Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins digest mode: how to -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:52:56 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: quick snacks Message-ID: <19971009005256.10292.qmail@hotmail.com> I suspect many of you lost your customary quick snacks when you went on this diet, as I did. What do you do instead? I eat baby carrots, using almond (or other nut) butter as a dip, which is crunchy, satisfying, and caloric (which I want.) Also sliced apples with cheese. Also I mix almonds, raisins, dates in a bowl to keep around. What other EASY snacks do folks eat? Mary p.s. does anyone else use a VITAMIX to make stuff? I'd love to swap recipes. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Start up diet Message-ID: <199710090104.VAA09595@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA> Bill The first time I tried this diet I followed the introductory diet that Elaine outlines in the book. I found is so unappealing that I barely ate and was just exhausted. I could only take a few days of this before I gave up. After some encouragement from this group I decided to start the diet again, but this time without doing the start up diet. I did make a few modifications, however, because I was experiencing diarrhea at the time. I tried not to eat any cooked vegetables, I peeled all my fruit and I waited a few months until I introduced nuts and beans. I did introduce baking with nut flour fairly quickly though. Maybe because of this I prolonged my diarrhea, but I just couldn't eat at all any other way. I was just too tempted to cheat while on the start up diet, and I think that it's more important to avoid the forbidden foods than it is to avoid introducing foods too soon. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:04:49 -0400 (EDT) From: T G <guarastr@mcmaster.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: To the Yoghurt Yogis Message-ID: <199710090104.VAA09609@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA> I think you CAN use too much starter. I don't know if Mik has posted it on his web page, but Elaine mentioned something about this in a letter not too long ago. Apparently, in commercial yogurt they add extra milk solids which bumps up the lactose content from the 10% found in milk to about 30%. When the bacteria break down the lactose, one of the by products is lactic acid. Lactic acid will lower the pH of the yogurt. Because there is so much lactose to break down the yogurt will get to a pH level that inactivates the bacteria before all the lactose is broken down. If you are just using plain milk, the lactose will all be broken down before the pH level of the yogurt gets so low that the bacteria no longer function properly. I tried cutting back a bit of the yogurt at a time to see how low I can go. I now use barely 1/4 cup for each litre of yogurt that I make, I have yet to try going any lower. My yogurt turns out fine every time. Hope this helps. Take care, Tina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <971008211453_1176977874@emout12.mail.aol.com> I started experimenting with dried fruit (I buy mine at whole foods) which is prepared without additives or sugar. The dried blueberries and currants are especially wonderful in muffins. The dried fruit adds flavor and nutrition to the batter without adding more liquid to it. In fact, it actually soaks up some of the excess wetness we tend to end up with. Blueberry Lemon Muffins 3 eggs 1/2 cup honey 1 tsp vanilla 1/8 tsp salt 2 1/2 c. almond flour 3/4 c. dried blueberries 1 T. grated lemon rind (fresh) 1 tsp baking soda Mix eggs with the honey. Add the vanilla and salt. Mix well. Gradually add the almond flour. Mix well. Blend in the blueberries and lemon rind. Finally add the baking soda*. Fill muffin cups about 1/2 full. Bake at 350 for about 20 minutes. Makes 1 dozen muffins. About 220 calories, 15g carbohydrate, and 75 mg calcium in each muffin. I add the baking soda last because it begins to react immediately when mixed with wet ingredients. It's rising power is a timed reaction. (Baking powder rises twice--first it reacts with wet ingredients and then it has a rising reaction to heat. We don't have the advantage of two reactions when using only baking soda.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:39:52 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Rookie Message-ID: <l03010d00b061f3c23038@[206.112.46.14]> Dear Liz, This question has come up before. I accidently started making my yogurt with 1/2 the amount called for in the book, but my yogurt comes out perfect every time so I've stuck with it. I'm sure there's no harm in using the amount called for in the book, but I guess I just don't want to mess with what I've found to be a winning formula. Rachel ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: pecan flour Message-ID: <v01550100b0619a619cde@[206.40.74.45]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Joan, Pecan flour (actually, the company I ordered it from - Dutch Valley Foods in Myerstown, Pa....listed in the book, on page 143) is called "pecan meal" by the company when you call to place a order. It costs 10 lbs. - $11.39 ($1.14 lb.); 30 lbs. - $30.00 ($1.00 lb.) and this is considerably cheaper than almond flour. I live on the west coast, USA, and the shipping charges were $20.00!!!! On the other hand, almond flour I ordered from Hughson Nut Company in Hughson, California, I paid $3.25/lb. - $81.25 for 25 lbs. (min. order) plus $5.50 shipping. I have not baked anything yet just with the pecan flour, but I ordered 30 lbs. (mistake) because I prefer the consistency of the almond flour to the pecan meal which is not as finely ground and also takes up more space in the freezer. I am using it to add to the mixture when I need more bulk and less liquid; as well as sprinkling ontop of yogurt! I'll try it in the muffins soon and see how it comes out. Now, regarding the 36 hour fermentation of yogurt as opposed to 24 hours, this is what our friend, Rachel, does so I just followed what she is doing! But, we're both making it in the oven and it takes awhile for the oven to reach between 100-110 degrees F. just using the oven light for heating the yogurt in the covered pan. Just last week, I started making a gallon instead of 3 quarts because it seems time to make it again comes around too soon! Worked just fine. Letting it ferment for 36 hours as opposed to 24 insures that the lactose is totoally out and since I don't tolerate most dairy products very well, I decided to go for the extra 12 hours and have had no problem digesting the 36-hour yogurt. Prateeksha. >Hi Prateeksha - > >on the pecan flour - is this more expensive or less than almond flour? i dont >recall it mentioned in elaines book but guess it must be. also, on the 36 >hour fermentation - what does 12 more hours accomplish? i am new at this. > >thanx - >Joan ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Rookie Message-ID: <v01550101b0619fd6e53a@[206.40.74.45]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jeff, I make my yogurt like Rachel does; however, just for clarification, since you're a "rookie", I am inserting a couple of notations which might help you. >Dear Jeff, >The following is how I make my yogurt. It may seem cumbersome at first, but >after 2 & 1/2 years it has become 2nd nature and I think I could make it in >my sleep. >Yogurt > >3 quarts of 1/2 & 1/2 >1 & 1/2 cups plain store bought yogurt (1/2 cup to each quart of 1/2 & 1/2) > >Bring 1/2 & 1/2 to simmer (small bubbles around edge) >Take off burner and let cool to complete room temperature, cool better than >even slightly warm. You can refrigerate to help cool. If you don't >refrigerate, it takes at least 6 hours to get the right temp. Unless you keep the yogurt in the pot it came to a boil in and place the pot into a plastic dish container (I use my kitchen sink plastic container that I wash dishes in) that has cold water in it. Careful, that you don't have so much water in the container that when you place the yogurt pot in it goes over the top of the pan! And I place the lid of the pot behind the pot and start gently running cold water into the plastic container and this induces the water to keep getting cooler and cooler, otherwise the water gets quite warm from the hot pot and you have to keep changing it a lot. I know this "wastes" water, but it takes me about 20 minutes before the yogurt is absolutely at room temperature. I then in another bowl, place the yogurt and add 1 cup at a time of that cooled milk into the yogurt, whisking briskly (I make a gallon); according to the book, you should use 1/4 cup yogurt to 1/2 milk (page 132, 3.) for each quart of milk you have boiled and cooled. Then slowly pour that "paste" mixture into the cooled, boiled milk all the while whisking briskly until it is thoroughly mixed together. I very carefully take the lid out of the water, making sure not to drip any of the water into the milk and dry it and put it back onto the pan and dry the pan and into the oven it goes. > >Then in a seperate bowl, place plain yogurt and slowly add 1/2 & 1/2 (I use >wisk). When this solution is thin, add back slowly (wisking) in pot of 1/2 >& 1/2. > >Place pot (covered) into oven with a 60 watt light bulb on. Keep >thermometer in oven and maintain 100 to 110 degrees. If oven becomes warm, >use a pen to prop open the door just a bit. Once you've done it a few times >you'll get a feel for how your oven best maintains this temperature. >Good Luck, >Rachel Hope I haven't confused you with all this detail! Good luck, Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 06:36:16 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and periods Message-ID: <343CB39F.BB1CC560@bedford.net> Renee Zobkiw wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This question goes out to the women on the list (no offense meant to > the > guys), > > Well, actually I might be able to give some input here. According to some spirit guide person I knew in Boulder, she said that my colitis was a carryover from my last life, as a woman. If you stretch your mind a little (ok, a lot), all this bleeding down in my intestinal area is just a manifestation of my "woman's problems" in my previous life. She also suggested that there was a very serious wound -- a knife wound. There is a big-ass hole in my spirit body in my lower abdomen area. I guess I can't shed any light on your problem, I don't have any conscience recollections of my past life. If I'm going to help I need to do a past life regression -- maybe some hypnotysm. Isn't all this stuff fastinating? More fastinating is the fact that people believe and rely on it to make important decisions. I do admit though, that I have no trouble with having past lives, I'm just not convinced that past life regressions actually tap into their memories. But hey, unless you drop thousands of dollars on it, it certainly is harmless enough. My women friends who confided with me on this subject, were either on a diet from hell (I'd say bordering on or anorexic) or athletes (swimmers mostly) in extreme training. The doctors involved said that it is probably a case of insufficient calories, and to just eat more. In the case of the SCD, I'm not sure. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 09:02:14 -0400 From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: New agent for Crohn's Message-ID: <1335734304-8548907@mailhost.triplesoft.com> Hi everybody, Though this is not directly related to SCD, thought some people might be interested to know about it. The full article is available at: http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/971008/health/stories/monoclonal_1.html ------ Excerpt ------- Wednesday October 8 6:37 PM EDT New Agent Helps Crohn's Disease By Laura McKeown NEW YORK (Reuters) -- People with the inflammatory bowel disorder known as Crohn's disease may benefit from a new treatment that involves infusion of monoclonal antibody cA2, a substance that reduces inflammation, researchers suggest. ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:05:56 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: I may have to pay someone Message-ID: <343D00E4.5BCA@snet.net> Prateeksha, thanks for elaboration. I just read your note ONCE and yes I'm more confused now. Given that kitchen/cooking activities are not my bailiwick(I just learned this new word,and wanted to use it, maybe once in my life!) I'll have to gather my formidable resources(help!) and JUST DO SOMETHING and with a little luck, I'll have put the yogurt wars behind me. Once again, thanks. I appreciate this forum and acknowledge all those who are able and willing to participate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 08:41:06 PDT From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: To the Yoghurt Yogis Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> Good point! The commercial yogurt I use for a starter states in it's list of ingredients that it contains milk and cultures only, so I don't think this is an issue for me. Kim ---------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I think you CAN use too much starter. I don't know if Mik has posted it on > his web page, but Elaine mentioned something about this in a letter not too > long ago. Apparently, in commercial yogurt they add extra milk solids which > bumps up the lactose content from the 10% found in milk to about 30%. > When the bacteria break down the lactose, one of the by products is lactic > acid. Lactic acid will lower the pH of the yogurt. Because there is so > much lactose to break down the yogurt will get to a pH level that > inactivates the bacteria before all the lactose is broken down. > If you are just using plain milk, the lactose will all be broken down before > the pH level of the yogurt gets so low that the bacteria no longer function > properly. > I tried cutting back a bit of the yogurt at a time to see how low I can go. > I now use barely 1/4 cup for each litre of yogurt that I make, I have yet to > try going any lower. My yogurt turns out fine every time. > > Hope this helps. > > Take care, > Tina > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:41:01 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and periods Message-ID: <971009104058_1898685290@emout18.mail.aol.com> Bill, I totally believe in remembering past lives during past life regression. Dr. Brian Weiss, a psychiatrist in Miami wrote 3 books on the topic of past lives which he stumble upon accidently (as written in his first book, "Many Lives Many Masters". In his second book, "Through Time into Healing", he has documentation about patients of his who had cured themselves of incurable things such as asthma, obesity, chronic unexplainable pain, etc.. which were carry-over symptoms from previous lives; usually having to do with how they had died. Once these patients remembered these lives and came to accept what had happened to them then, their symptoms "magically" dissapeared never to return. I personally never experienced this, but I have regressed several non-believers to experience some of their past lives. His second book provides a script with which anyone who has read enough about this can regress anyone including themselves on an audio tape. Now if only this can work for some of us and cure us of this IBD we carry around... WOW! You too, or anyone interested can try this at home even for the price of the book and a tape with relaxing background music. Good luck! Simone :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:00:49 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: I may have to pay someone Message-ID: <19971009160049.21423.qmail@hotmail.com> >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:05:56 -0700 >From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com >Subject: I may have to pay someone >Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Prateeksha, > >thanks for elaboration. I just read your note ONCE and yes I'm more >confused now. Given that kitchen/cooking activities are not my >bailiwick(I just learned this new word,and wanted to use it, maybe once >in my life!) I'll have to gather my formidable resources(help!) and JUST >DO SOMETHING and with a little luck, I'll have put the yogurt wars >behind me. > >Once again, thanks. I appreciate this forum and acknowledge all those >who are able and willing to participate. > Why not just buy the 100% lactose reduced yogurt like I do? Brand: Continental Made in: Glendale, CA Mary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:34:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: I may have to pay someone Message-ID: <199710091634.LAA12785@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, does "lactose reduced" mean "lactose free"? On the nutrition label of this yogurt, what number does it list next to "Sugar"? Regards/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Thu Oct 9 11:01 CDT 1997 > X-Originating-IP: [207.79.35.154] > From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: I may have to pay someone > Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:00:49 PDT > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> > Content-Length: 1213 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:05:56 -0700 > >From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> > >To: SCD-list@longisland.com > >Subject: I may have to pay someone > >Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Prateeksha, > > > >thanks for elaboration. I just read your note ONCE and yes I'm more > >confused now. Given that kitchen/cooking activities are not my > >bailiwick(I just learned this new word,and wanted to use it, maybe once > >in my life!) I'll have to gather my formidable resources(help!) and > JUST > >DO SOMETHING and with a little luck, I'll have put the yogurt wars > >behind me. > > > >Once again, thanks. I appreciate this forum and acknowledge all those > >who are able and willing to participate. > > > > > Why not just buy the 100% lactose reduced yogurt like I do? Brand: > Continental > Made in: Glendale, CA > Mary > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: I may have to pay someone Message-ID: <v01550100b062617643be@[206.40.74.59]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff, Well, you could just buy a yogurt maker. That's a little easier than the method I described (taken from Rachel's method). Prateeksha >Prateeksha, > >thanks for elaboration. I just read your note ONCE and yes I'm more >confused now. Given that kitchen/cooking activities are not my >bailiwick(I just learned this new word,and wanted to use it, maybe once >in my life!) I'll have to gather my formidable resources(help!) and JUST >DO SOMETHING and with a little luck, I'll have put the yogurt wars >behind me. > >Once again, thanks. I appreciate this forum and acknowledge all those >who are able and willing to participate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:00:25 -0700 (MST) From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Celaic Article by EG Message-ID: <v0311070ab0625f55d862@[169.197.33.129]> Hi, I would like to know where I can get a copy of Elaine's article on celiac. A number of people on my listserv have discussed it and I thought it would be of educational value to post it on my list. May I have permission to do so? And if so, where might I find the article. Many thanks, ************************************************************************ Kind Regards, Sheila Shea Tucson AZ------------------ Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. http://www.sheilas.com Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ to subscribe or unsubscribe ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:39:10 -0500 From: Kerri R Peterson <isueadc@iastate.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cheese snacks Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971009153909.006adfe0@pop-1.iastate.edu> Ellen, Tell them right away. If a guy can't work with your eating habits and health, then any prolonged committment won't work either. When I was dating my husband (who has CD/UC), this discussion was one of the early ones. Yeah, it was a little scary for me, especially when he told me his dad had CD and his twin sister had UC (both had surgery and are well today), but God knew what He was doing when he put the two of us together. I love to cook and my husband loves to eat! > >What I am still wrestling with is how to deal with this on a first date with >someone. I'm assuming that if I order plain grilled salmon with steamed >vegetables and decline bread and dessert, they will just think that I'm >either on a weight loss diet or a healthy heart diet and won't find it too >unusual. (I'll just skip the part where I usually tell the waiter they can >put butter on my food, just nothing else!) I tend to be very open and matter >of fact about my illness. I guess I've been forced to be because for the >last 2.5 years it's been pretty obvious that something was wrong with me. > I've been dating people whom I already knew during the time I was so ill, so >I never had to explain to someone in a dating context. Now it's no longer >obvious that I'm ill. Telling them too soon seems inappropriate and waiting >too long to tell them seems inappropriate too. Has anyone developed some >personal rules of thumb on this? (My approach--telling people I'm on haitus >from dating--isn't a long term solution! ;-) > >Ellen > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 14:46:05 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and periods Message-ID: <9710092046.AA57508@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Renee, > This question goes out to the women on the list (no offense meant to the guys), I'd like to answer this even though I am a guy. > Have any of you missed your periods during your first 6 months or so on > the diet? I've missed mine for two months now. .... IMHO, I believe this would occur because your body is shutting down what it perceives to be non-essential functions during the healing process. How many people on the list (guys included) noticed that their sex drive went down along with their energy when they first started the SCD diet ? When your body feels better, all parts start working better again. Think of all those Star Trek episodes where they lower life-support systems to get more power to the shields and warp engines. "Body, Heal Thyself" --- with some help from the SCD diet. Thanks...Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:14:56 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins Message-ID: <01bcd500$c6d9a580$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: EllenAdams@aol.com <EllenAdams@aol.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 7:19 PM Subject: Blueberry Lemon Muffins > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I started experimenting with dried fruit (I buy mine at whole foods) which is >prepared without additives or sugar. The dried blueberries and currants are >especially wonderful in muffins. The dried fruit adds flavor and nutrition >to the batter without adding more liquid to it. In fact, it actually soaks >up some of the excess wetness we tend to end up with. > >Blueberry Lemon Muffins Ellen They sure do look good, I can almost smell them. I think I will have to try a batch to-nite. On a list of ten top fruits and vegetables that are good antioxidants and may lower your risk of developing cancer Blueberries rank number one. I keep some blueberries frozen , and for breakfast place afew into a small bowl of hot water for 1 minute, empty the water off and add yogurt . Very nice. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 17:33:12 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) Subject: digest mode: how to Message-ID: <9710092333.AA113402@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi to those wanting digest mode, > I joined this list a few days ago -- what a find! (Can I get a digest > version? I tried "set digest" to no avail.) I found this old posting describing what digest is from Bill Roman .... > For those of you not familiar with the DIGEST option, it allows a member to > receive a periodic (daily) summary digests of messages posted to the list. > If you select the DIGEST option, then once a day, you receive a single > email with all of that day's postings. You do not receive each message > individually. How to do it is described next by Linda who handles technical support for this list... > From: Linda Kahrs <linda@invision.net> > > I have been told that people would like to change their subscription > option from Immediate to Digest. To do this, you must first unsubscribe > yourself and then resubscribe yourself in digest mode. In order to do this > you must follow the following instructions. > > First, Unsubscribe from the list. > > 1. Send a mail message to SCD-request@longisland.com > 2. In the body, include ONLY the phrase > unsubscribe SCD-list <your email address> > > After you are unsubscribed, subscribe again using these directions. > > 1. Send a mail message to SCD-request@longisland.com > 2. In the body, include ONLY the phrase > subscribe SCD-list <your email address> digest I only use digest mode for all lists I follow, and this works well. Often these lists are long because too many people reply to a message including *all* of the original message (unnecessarily IMHO). I print the SCD digest daily for my wife to read. So to cut down on wasted paper/ink, I forward the message back to myself after editing out the unwanted stuff, and then print the new message. Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #64 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 10 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 65 In this issue: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins: thawing blueberries in hot water Re: SCD and sex drive Walmart as Healer? Re: digest mode: how to Re: Test Message -- IMPORTANT yogurtmet users Re: yogurmet CCFA Re: CCFA Lactose in ASACOL Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: CCFA RE: CCFA Re: CCFA Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: CCFA RE: CCFA Re: unsuscribe DCCC in England Duplicate Mail, Thanks Rachel Barb's comments -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:17:43 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Blueberry Lemon Muffins: thawing blueberries in hot water Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971009171743.006a39a4@smartt.com> At 04:14 PM 10/9/97 -0600, you wrote: > > >On a list of ten top fruits and vegetables that are good antioxidants and >may lower your risk of developing cancer Blueberries rank number one. > >I keep some blueberries frozen , and for breakfast place afew into a >small bowl of hot water for 1 minute, empty the water off and add yogurt . >Very nice. > >William > > > William: Why do you make life more difficult for yourself than it need be? I also have blueberries in my freezer, which I eat with yoghurt in the morning. Have you ever considered simply putting them in the dish as soon as you arise from bed, then doing your morning pre-breakfast washing & dressing ... by the time you get back to them (maybe 10 minutes) they'll be thawed out just right (not too mushy, not too frozen), then put your dollops of yoghurt on top, and voila, it's ready. Nof uss, no muss, no hassles worrying about hot water, and extra hassles, and diluting the nutrients by putting the fruit in water, and hot water at that! And if those 10 minutes aren't enough, just put them into the bowl before you go to bed & place in fridge (not freezer) ... by morning they'll be perfect! You've heard of KISS ... "Keep it simple, s*"??? Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:24:50 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and sex drive Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971009172450.006a4130@smartt.com> I hate to disagree with ya, Dan, but I must strongly state that in my experience, you're wrong! Even when I've been ill, and low energy, even when I've been as low as 88# (I'm 5'5"), I still had a libido. Not as strong, and not as much "oomph", but definitely there. Only when on strong post-op pain-killers like morphine / demarol did things simply refuse to "rise to the occasion" & somehow got disconnected, no matter how hard (no pun intended) I tried. The other reason why I believe this observation (that sex drive is the last thing to wane) is valid is: look at all the breeders in the 3rd world, they're mostly starving to death, yet they manage to breed like crazy, outdoing any of us in the "civilized" world! The body's got to be really, really down for the count before it gives up the xxx ghost, I've concluded. My conclusion is that the reason why people believe that libido evaporates with illness is (a) much of sex is in the head, and when you're ill many folks also let their head-trips go to shit, so to speak, and/or (b) when you're ill (at least if you're a 1st-worlder) you usually get amply dosed with medications, and THEY, not the illness itslef, depress the libido in many cases. Whadda ya say? Dietmar At 02:46 PM 10/9/97 MDT, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Renee, > >> This question goes out to the women on the list (no offense meant to the guys), > >I'd like to answer this even though I am a guy. > >> Have any of you missed your periods during your first 6 months or so on >> the diet? I've missed mine for two months now. .... > >IMHO, I believe this would occur because your body is shutting down what it >perceives to be non-essential functions during the healing process. How >many people on the list (guys included) noticed that their sex drive went >down along with their energy when they first started the SCD diet ? > >When your body feels better, all parts start working better again. Think >of all those Star Trek episodes where they lower life-support systems to >get more power to the shields and warp engines. > >"Body, Heal Thyself" --- with some help from the SCD diet. > >Thanks...Dan. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:16:14 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Walmart as Healer? Message-ID: <343DAC0E.2C95@snet.net> thanks to those who responded. some questions 1-where can I purchase yogurt maker,2- can you reccommend brand name or types, and 3-re: continnental yogurt where can I purchase it and has anyone used or is the homemade womehow superior? jg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:35:10 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: digest mode: how to Message-ID: <19971010013510.16642.qmail@hotmail.com> >Subject: digest mode: how to >To: SCD-list@longisland.com (SCD-diet mail list) >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 17:33:12 MDT >From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> >Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi to those wanting digest mode, > >> I joined this list a few days ago -- what a find! (Can I get a digest >> version? I tried "set digest" to no avail.) > >I found this old posting describing what digest is from Bill Roman .... > >> For those of you not familiar with the DIGEST option, it allows a member to >> receive a periodic (daily) summary digests of messages posted to the list. >> If you select the DIGEST option, then once a day, you receive a single >> email with all of that day's postings. You do not receive each message >> individually. > >How to do it is described next by Linda who handles technical support for this list... > >> From: Linda Kahrs <linda@invision.net> >> >> I have been told that people would like to change their subscription >> option from Immediate to Digest. To do this, you must first unsubscribe >> yourself and then resubscribe yourself in digest mode. In order to do this >> you must follow the following instructions. >> >> First, Unsubscribe from the list. >> >> 1. Send a mail message to SCD-request@longisland.com >> 2. In the body, include ONLY the phrase >> unsubscribe SCD-list <your email address> >> >> After you are unsubscribed, subscribe again using these directions. >> >> 1. Send a mail message to SCD-request@longisland.com >> 2. In the body, include ONLY the phrase >> subscribe SCD-list <your email address> digest > >I only use digest mode for all lists I follow, and this works well. Often >these lists are long because too many people reply to a message including >*all* of the original message (unnecessarily IMHO). I print the SCD digest >daily for my wife to read. So to cut down on wasted paper/ink, I forward >the message back to myself after editing out the unwanted stuff, and then >print the new message. > >Thanks... Dan. > >*************************************************************** >* Dan Woods The University of Calgary * >* dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * >*************************************************************** > Bless you, Dan! Mary (for better digest-ion!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:17:56 -0400 From: "Alice Van Tol" <vantolab@intrepid.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Test Message -- IMPORTANT Message-ID: <199710100226.WAA18909@intrepid.net> ---------- Am receiving messages -I have been away two weeks, just now replying. Is there I digest version? I had 208 messages when I returned home! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:23:41 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurtmet users Message-ID: <971009232252_-1462819574@emout10.mail.aol.com> Dear Yogurtmet Users: i need some help. i just received my yogurt maker. it says it makes yogurt in 4 hours? everyone is talking about 24-36 fermentation process. please advise. also, Rachel says to use store bought yogurt (i use brown cow) for the starter. i dont know how much to use because the company sells their own starter. i thought a starter WAS the friendly bacteria cultures but the book is differentiating between starter and probiotic cultures. can you give me some input so i can get started? thanx - Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:55:49 -0600 From: "R. Allan Partridge" <raparch@planet.eon.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yogurmet Message-ID: <343DA745.3509@planet.eon.net> SHADOWPUP@aol.com wrote: > 4 hours? everyone is talking about 24-36 fermentation process. please advise. As Elaine suggested the longer the better, as our daughter was confirmed as having a lactose intolerance, we typically leave it for 48 hrs, but 24 - 36 generally should suffice. > also, Rachel says to use store bought yogurt (i use brown cow) for the > starter. i dont know how much to use because the company sells their We use a diary "plain" yougurt 3.4% MF that CLEARLY states that it only has milk solids and bac cultures, no whey or additives. It has been a great success having the Yogurmet (we are on our 2nd interior conatiner, it is always on the go) Hope this helps, Partridge's Edmonton, Alberta CAN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:48:56 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: "SCD-list" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: CCFA Message-ID: <199710100554.WAA08087@cascade.pacificrim.net> I later heard my doctor was > instrumental in banning any mention of the SCD and Elaine Gottschall from the > Crohn's and Colitis Foundation. > I have had a couple negative Crohn's and Colitis Foundation experiences this year. First, our local group wanted to have a naturopath come speak about the SCD. When main "headquarters" wasn't able to force a cancellation of the event, our leader was told not to use the CCFA logo on the newsletter that month. A few months later I went to a Crohn's and Colitis event in Vancouver B.C. (with about 1000 people in attendance). During the course of the evening the doctors WARNED us several times to stay away from FAD diets, saying that you don't need the extra stress of a restrictive diet. Later during the Q&A period I asked them what they thought about the SCD. They said that there was no science behind it, and that the way they do things in medicine is with double-blind studies. They weren't interested in hearing anything positive about it. It really saddens me that the gastroenterology specialists put so much effort into trying to keep a lid on information about the diet. I don't expect them to blindly recommend it, but I do think that once they know that people are responding to the diet, they should offer the information to their patients, whether or not there have been double-blind studies. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:01:13 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA Message-ID: <343E2719.632C4F6B@emory.edu> > .. I later heard my doctor was instrumental in banning any mention of > the SCD and Elaine Gottschall from the Crohn's and Colitis > Foundation... BANNING ANY MENTION OF THE SCD, AND ELAINE GOTSCHALL? And by the very institution that is supposed to be a cutting edge source of ideas and technologies to help and cure us! I am so dismayed to know that people (doctors, I assume) are making concious efforts to actually deter people from trying the diet, which has absolutely no downside, except abstinence from stuff that's bad for you anyway - yet, has helped so many of us - if not curing us all, at least providing relief. To the extent that I've gotten my life back in terms of mobility, freedom from pain, etc.., and the fact that I'm medicine free, I need to think hard about how to offset this brutality (keeping people sick, in pain, pumped full of chemicals, not to mention the psychological perils of IBD). With the tools at out disposal, particularly the internet, and our contacts, whoever they may be. If this is a battle against the big money machine-hospitals, pharaceuticals, doctors and insurance companies, I suspect that we have an enormous task ahead. I work at Emory University, which has a hospital, and does research, etc.. but has lots of AMA members, so I'm willing to jeopardise my position here if anyone has any ideas about what I can do to help "prophesize" the diet, or suggest that the "type" of research that the medical community will accknowledge, be done. Is this a waste of time, to try to change the perceptions of individuals who may have no respect for someone without any credentials (me)? I think that HMO's who are always interested in cutting costs/saving money, may be a source of ideas or help in this battle. It would be nice to start a separate listserver (I will inquire as to how to accomplish this - I may not have the ability) to discuss ways (not vent and rave) to get this diet into the mainstream. I just feel a bit like an ingracious idiot for not making any efforts to counteract this atrocious mindset. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:01:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com, SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Subject: Lactose in ASACOL Message-ID: <199710101401.JAA16461@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> I'm curious about the lactose in Asacol. Doesn't Asacol start working in the colon (and not before)? If so, how much of the lactose is actually absorbed by our body? Bye/Liz > From owner-scd@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Thu Oct 9 17:40 CDT 1997 > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:37:39 -0400 > Reply-To: IBD-Diet Discussion List <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> > Sender: IBD-Diet Discussion List <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> > From: DeborahIdol <cat@LANLINE.COM> > Subject: Re: anyone taking ASACOL? > To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 1158 > > Hi Simone, > > > I had not idea Synthroid has lactose in it. I am taking that too (.75mg) > > along with 2400mg of Asacol a day. So, you recommend to take lactase tablets > > when taking these medications? > > Yes, even though Elaine Gottschall says not to take anything with lactose in it > (even with lactase supplements) and to find a different medication made without > it. There is no substitute for synthroid that doesn't have lactose, > unfortunately. You aren't taking a very large does (I actually take a whopping 3 > mg -- yes, 3000 mcg -- since I have a genetic defect which prevents my body from > using thyroid hormone properly) so probably wouldn't need much lactase to go with > it. > > And if you followed the Gottschall diet (from *Breaking the Vicious Cycle* by > Elaine Gottschall), which is the SCD diet, and added some vitamin supplements to > it (I found I needed more than was recommended in the book) you could probably > get off the Asacol. I would guess (from the size of the pill) that the Asacol > has a large amount of lactose as filler. It really is criminal to put lactose in > a medication actually made for people with gut problems! > > Good luck! > > Deborah > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:59:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com, SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <199710101459.JAA16479@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Last night the Dallas CCFA chapter hosted an IBD Family forum. Dr. Daniel Present from Mt. Sinai in NY was the keynote speaker. Before he spoke, there was a panel consisting of a nutritionist, a GI and a colo-rectal surgeon who gave short presentations and answered questions. I knew all 3 of the panelists. The nutritionist is affiliated with the medical school here, and has Crohn's herself. I met with her about 2 months ago at the recommendation of my doctor. I figured if she has Crohn's, maybe she's got some good insight. When I saw her two months ago, I went with my "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" book and asked her if she's ever heard of it. She said she hadn't. I was disappointed, but was encouraged when she wanted the ISBN number from it, saying she wanted to take a look at it. Well, at the forum last night, she mentioned the book specifically by name, BUT.. as just another one of those "elimination diets" that she couldn't endorse. She hadn't been able to locate the book at any bookstore (I told her she'd probably have to order it!), so she hadn't read it. But she described it as a "wheat- free" diet that worked for some woman's daughter who then went out and wrote a book about it. I couldn't believe it! I was livid. People in the audience had a chance to ask questions on cards which were submitted to the moderator who then read the questions from the podium. On my card I tried to clarify what the diet really was, what Elaine's background was, and how many people report success on the diet. I also mentioned that it could be ordered through any local bookstore and that there's an on-line support group. When the moderator got to my question, all he said was, you can order the book through a bookstore. He didn't mention anything else I'd written on the card. Again, I was angry. At the break, I caught up with the nutritionist and tried to clarify things. She kind of looked like she wanted to run away, but she did take the web address for the SCD home page. She also told me she's wary of specialized diets because she knows people who went in remission just drinking Ensure. I never could catch up with the moderator to ask him why he didn't read everything on my card. When Dr. Present got on stage to talk, I must admit, I was very impressed with his presentation and his committment to IBD. However, when he talked about diet, he said there was a study done on patients following a "low-residue" diet and a "normal diet" and no differences were found. Of course, the "low-residue" diet includes sugar, grains, and starches. So he apparently wasn't a big fan of diet modification either. It seems if there's not a double-blind study done, doctors don't listen. He talked alot about the new drugs in the pipeline (e.g. anti-TNF) and was really pushing the immuno-modulators (e.g. 6MP). He strongly discouraged the use of steroids in the treatment of IBD and predicted that within 5 years, less that 10% of IBD patients will be given steroids. All in all, an informative evening, but one quite discouraging with regards to the SCD. Maybe the nutritionist will log on to the web page and learn a few things. By the way, she no longer has a colon and has been on immuno-suppressants for 11 years. I'd rather skip the pasta, thank you. Thanks for letting me vent. Bye/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Fri Oct 10 00:54 CDT 1997 > From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> > To: "SCD-list" <SCD-list@longisland.com> > Subject: CCFA > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:48:56 -0700 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=ISO-8859-1> > Content-Length: 1527 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I later heard my doctor was > > instrumental in banning any mention of the SCD and Elaine Gottschall from > the > > Crohn's and Colitis Foundation. > > > > I have had a couple negative Crohn's and Colitis Foundation experiences > this year. First, our local group wanted to have a naturopath come speak > about the SCD. When main "headquarters" wasn't able to force a cancellation > of the event, our leader was told not to use the CCFA logo on the > newsletter that month. > > A few months later I went to a Crohn's and Colitis event in Vancouver B.C. > (with about 1000 people in attendance). During the course of the evening > the doctors WARNED us several times to stay away from > FAD diets, saying that you don't need the extra stress of a restrictive > diet. > > Later during the Q&A period I asked them what they thought about the SCD. > They said that there was no science behind it, and that the way they do > things in medicine is with double-blind studies. They weren't interested in > hearing anything positive about it. > > It really saddens me that the gastroenterology specialists put so much > effort into trying to keep a lid on information about the diet. I don't > expect them to blindly recommend it, but I do think that once they know > that people are responding to the diet, they should offer the information > to their patients, whether or not there have been double-blind studies. > > Lucy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:32:51 +0800 From: "Tom Cattrall" <tomc@pnn.com> To: "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: CCFA Message-ID: <199710101539.IAA25833@pnn.com> On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:48:56 -0700, Rosset wrote: > >Later during the Q&A period I asked them what they thought about the SCD. >They said that there was no science behind it, and that the way they do >things in medicine is with double-blind studies. They weren't interested in >hearing anything positive about it. > Ask them to quote the double blind studies done on surgical procedures. If they can't then I assume that they never refer patients to surgery due to the lack of double blind studies. Double blind studies are good when possible, but they don't apply in many areas such as surgery or diet. It just isn't possible to design a double blind experiment in those cases. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:56:21 +-100 From: Stuart Firth <sfirth@centerline.com> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: RE: CCFA Message-ID: <01BCD5AE.52A370C0@rsfirth.centerline.com> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD5AE.52A370C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know its a generalisation but doesn't the medical commuity stink at = times? On a non-SCD related issue, I just discovered that whilst Doctors in the = UK push us all to pump our 2 year olds with the MMR vaccine (you should = have seen the looks we got when we said no), it turns out that over 50% = of the doctors don't give their kids the vaccine. Does that tell you = something about the reasons behind giving the vaccine or what!? I think its a question of keeping pushing the message to the medical = community. In the UK where the National Health Service (NHS) is = tax-payer funded, I'm trying to make the point with my specialist that's = it's got to be saving the NHS money if I see a dietician once in a while = to supervise the diet, rather than get them to spend money on drugs and = UC specialits all the time. Hey, maybe they could give me the save money = to spend on almond flour!! Keep pluging away! Stuart ---------- From: Matthew Cirillo[SMTP:mcirill@emory.edu] Sent: 10 October 1997 14:01 To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- > .. I later heard my doctor was instrumental in banning any mention of > the SCD and Elaine Gottschall from the Crohn's and Colitis > Foundation... BANNING ANY MENTION OF THE SCD, AND ELAINE GOTSCHALL? And by the very institution that is supposed to be a cutting edge source of ideas and technologies to help and cure us! I am so dismayed to know that people (doctors, I assume) are making concious efforts to actually deter people from trying the diet, which has absolutely no downside, except abstinence from stuff that's bad for you anyway - yet, has helped so many of us - if not curing us all, at least providing relief. To the extent that I've gotten my life back in terms of mobility, freedom from pain, etc.., and the fact that I'm medicine free, I need to think hard about how to offset this brutality (keeping people sick, in pain, pumped full of chemicals, not to mention the psychological perils of IBD). With the tools at out disposal, particularly the internet, and our contacts, whoever they may be. If this is a battle against the big money machine-hospitals, pharaceuticals, doctors and insurance companies, I suspect that we have an enormous task ahead. I work at Emory University, which has a hospital, and does research, etc.. but has lots of AMA members, so I'm willing to jeopardise my position here if anyone has any ideas about what I can do to help "prophesize" the diet, or suggest that the "type" of research that the medical community will accknowledge, be done. Is this a waste of time, to try to change the perceptions of individuals who may have no respect for someone without any credentials (me)? I think that HMO's who are always interested in cutting costs/saving money, may be a source of ideas or help in this battle. It would be nice to start a separate listserver (I will inquire as to how to accomplish this - I may not have the ability) to discuss ways (not vent and rave) to get this diet into the mainstream. 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Message-ID: <971010142213_861389522@emout18.mail.aol.com> It is sad that doctors, whose purpose is to heal people, avoid therapies and techniques that are not in agreement with what they learned in medical school. It's almost as though they're too egotistical to accept that they may be wrong all this time. Not to mention the business aspect of keeping people sick and relying on their services and the chemicals from pharmaceutical companies. For example, in the 1930's, a man named Royal Rife discovered the cure of some cancers and hundreds of other illnesses including herpes, turbeculosis, flu...After he successfully CURED 16 out of the 16 terminally ill patients with cancer in 3-6 weeks using his bioactive frequency machine (which is totally harmless and creates no side-effects), the pharmaceutical cartel set out to burry him. They burned down his laboratory and confiscated anything they could not destroy. They even resorted to poisoning his partner before a symposium where he was to reveal the research, and making physical threats to anyone supporting Rife. What is one man to do against such an army? He was a scientist, not a politician or a lawyer. Needless to say his work was "erased" from the face of the earth and those who knew him and the success of his work were bribed into denial. Fortunately, some of his followers salvaged enough of his work to continue this amazing research in Mexico where the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies can not touch them. Today, one can buy the Rife machine as an"experimental tool only", because the FDA will never approve a machine that can cure something for pennies a day that can bust a multi-billion dollar empire. Fortunatelly, there are doctors out there, like my own, who recognize that they don't know everyting. My doctor has allowed me to use any method I wish if I feel would make me better. He even supports my starting the SCD diet. He only insisted I take Asacol; the rest he trusted I know what I am doing. He even knows about the Rife machine and was interested enough to read the book and other information I had on it. Unfortunatelly Crohn's has not been researched, although some doctors feel that Crohn's is similar to Tuberculosis at a bacterial level, and to try those frequencies along with frequencies that destroy parasites and Candida A. I am definatelly starting on that too. There has to be other dedicated doctors who don't have a God complex and don't treat their patients like they can't think for themselves and their ideas are half-baked. I thank God for my doctor, for he has done more for me than he is entitled to as a physician. Anyone living in Miami, FL area should have him on their side. Thanks for reading this. simone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:28:46 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <l03010d00b0643e33bdc8@[206.112.46.16]> Dear Liz, How frustrating! There are none so blind as those who will not see. Well, all we can do is continue to TRY to pass the word. I even have people in my life close to me, who have IBD, who have seen my health go from poor to great, and who tell me that the diet just looks like too much trouble. Whatcha gonna do? Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:35:06 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA Message-ID: <199710102153.OAA02988@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:01:13 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- > .. I later heard my doctor was instrumental in banning any mention of > the SCD and Elaine Gottschall from the Crohn's and Colitis > Foundation... BANNING ANY MENTION OF THE SCD, AND ELAINE GOTSCHALL? And by the very institution that is supposed to be a cutting edge source of ideas and technologies to help and cure us! <snip> I think that HMO's who are always interested in cutting costs/saving money, may be a source of ideas or help in this battle. It would be nice to start a separate listserver (I will inquire as to how to accomplish this - I may not have the ability) to discuss ways (not vent and rave) to get this diet into the mainstream. I just feel a bit like an ingracious idiot for not making any efforts to counteract this atrocious mindset. But Michael, you ARE making an effort....in a more effective area, using the SCD to assist you in regaining your health back. By every post you (and other members) send that tells me of another success you have had on the diet, I am supported to keep plugging along with the diet. And the more successful I am, the more my family and friends notice and want to learn about what I have done to become healthier.(even people without IBD can benefit from better digestion habits). Now, Michael, that's myself you have supported, multiplied by my family and friends, multiplied by the # of others supported on this list, times their family and friends. This does not make you an ingracious idiot. It is in my opinion that people will only listen when THEY want to know something, not when we push it on them. (cause I was one of *THEM* once) Also the HUGE issue of what's really going on in the medical/pharmaceutical proffession is intangible. And people have a hard time grasping something that can't be seen/proved. We can see an improvement in a persons health, though. I think the best way to mainstream the diet is to show others our results and let them decide for themselves. <clink><clink> Just my two cents worth :-) Barb Mills Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:51:39 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@SalesLogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: CCFA Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B984609E93C@LOGIXMAIL> They always kill the prophets first and then build memorials to them later! > -----Original Message----- > From: PI5DA@aol.com [SMTP:PI5DA@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 11:30 AM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: CCFA > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > It is sad that doctors, whose purpose is to heal people, avoid > therapies and > techniques that are not in agreement with what they learned in medical > school. It's almost as though they're too egotistical to accept that > they > may be wrong all this time. Not to mention the business aspect of > keeping > people sick and relying on their services and the chemicals from > pharmaceutical companies. > For example, in the 1930's, a man named Royal Rife discovered the cure > of > some cancers and hundreds of other illnesses including herpes, > turbeculosis, > flu...After he successfully CURED 16 out of the 16 terminally ill > patients > with cancer in 3-6 weeks using his bioactive frequency machine (which > is > totally harmless and creates no side-effects), the pharmaceutical > cartel set > out to burry him. They burned down his laboratory and confiscated > anything > they could not destroy. They even resorted to poisoning his partner > before a > symposium where he was to reveal the research, and making physical > threats to > anyone supporting Rife. What is one man to do against such an army? > He was > a scientist, not a politician or a lawyer. Needless to say his work > was > "erased" from the face of the earth and those who knew him and the > success of > his work were bribed into denial. Fortunately, some of his followers > salvaged enough of his work to continue this amazing research in > Mexico where > the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies can not touch them. Today, > one can > buy the Rife machine as an"experimental tool only", because the FDA > will > never approve a machine that can cure something for pennies a day that > can > bust a multi-billion dollar empire. > > Fortunatelly, there are doctors out there, like my own, who recognize > that > they don't know everyting. My doctor has allowed me to use any method > I wish > if I feel would make me better. He even supports my starting the > SCD diet. > He only insisted I take Asacol; the rest he trusted I know what I am > doing. > He even knows about the Rife machine and was interested enough to read > the > book and other information I had on it. Unfortunatelly Crohn's has > not been > researched, although some doctors feel that Crohn's is similar to > Tuberculosis at a bacterial level, and to try those frequencies along > with > frequencies that destroy parasites and Candida A. I am definatelly > starting > on that too. > > There has to be other dedicated doctors who don't have a God complex > and > don't treat their patients like they can't think for themselves and > their > ideas are half-baked. I thank God for my doctor, for he has done more > for me > than he is entitled to as a physician. Anyone living in Miami, FL > area > should have him on their side. > Thanks for reading this. > simone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:57:42 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: unsuscribe Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971010145742.006b063c@smartt.com> Hi, Geoff: Just going through my backlog of e-mail (600plus of them! I was away fro 2 months). Noticed your un-subscribe request ... curious: have you found some other method that works better than the SCD diet? Or ??? Any feedback would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Dean White Rock, BC At 03:06 PM 8/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > >_______________________ > >Geoff Stewardson >gsteward@foxnet.net >Thunder Bay, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 18:15:31 EDT From: Ann Watts <awatts@andromeda.rutgers.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: DCCC in England Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.876521731.awatts@andromeda.rutgers.edu> Dear people, Do any of you live in England and faithfully follow the SCD? I visited in London last spring and was unable to find dry curd cottage cheese. Possibly, the difficulty was one of what to call it, but DCCC, "pot cheese," and "farmer's cheese" all came up empty; nor could I discover anything like it while browsing in several markets. If this cheese exists in England, what is it called and where does one find it? Many thanks, Ann Watts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:28:37 -0400 From: MARLENA <MLSiegel@compuserve.com> To: SCD_List <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Duplicate Mail, Thanks Rachel Message-ID: <199710101828_MC2-237E-D86F@compuserve.com> Why am I receiving every post twice? = First, it is in chronological order, ascending (oldest to newest); then i= n chronological order, descending (newest to oldest). = Rachel: Thanks for the encouragement about resuming yoga. = Marlena Philadelphia, PA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:33:50 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Barb's comments Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971010153350.006b2f10@smartt.com> At 01:35 PM 10/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:01:13 -0400 >From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com >Subject: Re: CCFA >Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >> .. I later heard my doctor was instrumental in banning any mention of >> the SCD and Elaine Gottschall from the Crohn's and Colitis >> Foundation... > Dear Bar: In respone to your well-written post re Matthew's despair about the CCFA/CCFC not being "on board" with the SCD .... >BANNING ANY MENTION OF THE SCD, AND ELAINE GOTSCHALL? And by the very >institution that is supposed to be a cutting edge source of ideas and >technologies to help and cure us! > ><snip> > >I think that HMO's who are always interested in cutting costs/saving >money, may be a source of ideas or help in this battle. It would be >nice to start a separate listserver (I will inquire as to how to >accomplish this - I may not have the ability) to discuss ways (not vent >and rave) to get this diet into the mainstream. > I thought you were going to say "Ways to convince the powers-that-be, i.e. MediCare & HMO's, that it's to their advantage to fund research, and esp. clinical research, into (for example) SCD and other dietary ideas vis IBD. >I just feel a bit like an ingracious idiot for not making any efforts to >counteract this atrocious mindset. > >But Michael, you ARE making an effort....in a more effective area, >using the SCD to assist you in regaining your health back. By every >post you (and other members) send that tells me of another >success you have had on the diet, I am supported to keep plugging >along with the diet. And the more successful I am, the more my >family and friends notice and want to learn about what I have done to >become healthier.(even people without IBD can benefit from better >digestion habits). Now, Michael, that's myself you have supported, >multiplied by my family and friends, multiplied by the # of others >supported on this list, times their family and friends. This does >not make you an ingracious idiot. > Exactly! People keep despairing because they're "not being accepted by the Establishment" (in this case, by the Medical-Industrial Complex, as I call it), but that's missing the point: insurrection and evolution don't always, well, actually, SELDOM, really set root through "convincing the Establishment"'; change happens by the "little people" doing their "little stuff" and slowly things are suddenly "different". Plus one can never be aware of the impact even a word or gesture given to someone at some time (that you dont' even remember!) may or may not have! You know, how a husband will say one thing, and the wife will "hear" something else, and it'll fester for decades ... and inthe end, if they ever discover it, it turns out to be a total mis-understanding (that's what gret novels & films are made of!). Just by "doing what we do" and "keepin' on truckin'", we're having an impact. It's sort of like "It's better to light a single cnadle than to curse the darkness". Every action taken is a choice made ... by participating in SCD, even if you just read the e-mails or have Elaine's book and try-a-little-bit, you've made a decision to travel a differnt path than if you didn't do those things. And every action has its "ripple effects", even though, we who are riding the waves of our individual lives, can't always discern what effect those ripples have on the landscape trailing behind us! Gist of it: just go for it, live a life, and don't give a shit about despairing that "I'm not changing anything" ... you ARE! Even if it's only yourself. (Is there a "Seinfeld" script in here somewhere??? Would Jerry say these things? Or Kramer, in his own inimitable style?) >It is in my opinion that people will only listen when THEY want to >know something, not when we push it on them. Right on! >(cause I was one of >*THEM* once) > Ditto! You know the saying "Takes 1 to know 1", eh? ;-) >Also the HUGE issue of what's really going on in the >medical/pharmaceutical proffession is intangible. And people have a >hard time grasping something that can't be seen/proved. > Right again. The vagaries of human interactions (e.g. pharma rep, some of whom are seductive ex-nurses, or speak of "conferences in the Bahamas to tell you aboaut this new drug" & MD's) ... who can ever put that on a platter in a court of law & weigh it out clearly? The big decisons at the top are not made by direct words & writings, it's all "who you know" and "how you say it" (wink, wink, nod, nod ... ever tried to convict someone for a vague, undefinable gesture???). >We can see an improvement in a persons health, though. I think the >best way to mainstream the diet is to show others our results and let >them decide for themselves. > To paraphrase Barb: forget "mainstreaming", if someone has a need, they'll go looking, and if they go looking, sometimes they get lucky & find. Those who either don't look, or are unlucky enough not to find, well, who ever said life was either fair or perfect? Just get over it, and get on with it! Dietmar White Rock, BC, Canada ><clink><clink> Just my two cents worth :-) > >Barb Mills >Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > > ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #65 ********************** SCD-list Sat, 11 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 66 In this issue: Re: Duplicate Mail, Thanks Rachel Re: Celaic Article by EG Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? additional allowable food Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? potential SCD recipes (?) SCD and autism help with a friend -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:05:33 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Duplicate Mail, Thanks Rachel Message-ID: <l03010d03b06473142a0a@[206.112.46.25]> Dear Marlena, I sent your question about receiving mail twice to the listserver. Hopefully, they'll straighten it out for you. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:42:10 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Celaic Article by EG Message-ID: <199710110547.WAA05925@cascade.pacificrim.net> Hi Sheila, It's on Mik's site. ---------- > From: Sheila Shea <ratany@azstarnet.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Celaic Article by EG > Date: Thursday, October 09, 1997 11:00 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > I would like to know where I can get a copy of Elaine's article on celiac. > A number of people on my listserv have discussed it and I thought it would > be of educational value to post it on my list. May I have permission to do > so? And if so, where might I find the article. > Many thanks, > > ************************************************************************ > Kind Regards, > Sheila Shea > Tucson AZ------------------ > Interested in Intestinal Health and Colon Hydrotherapy issues. > http://www.sheilas.com > > Listserv on Intestinal Health now available. > Go to: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/INTEST_HEALTH/ > to subscribe or unsubscribe > ************************************************************************ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT) From: KevandDee@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Message-ID: <971011080714_2089302042@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hello Everyone. I'm new to this diet, and this web sight. I must say it is a relief to have a place to go when I feel really sorry for myself! In other words, it's nice to know I'm not alone. I started the diet 10 days ago, while in the midst of the worse flare up I've had yet (UC/one and one-half years). I know my doctor is going to suggest another scope when I go back in two weeks, and I was hoping to have positive news for her by then so as to avoid this action. Therefore, my question is when does the bleeding stop? Currently, I'm only eating fish and very overcooked vegetables. (I've been a vegetarian for six years, but have recently incorporated fish into my diet, and last night I even "stooped" to grill a piece of chicken, simply for variety.) I started with nut flour, only for two days, but thought it wise to discontinue it after reading several posts about the products being hard to digest when you first start the SCD. I may be expecting too much too soon, but would appreciate any input on this subject. Thanks. Deanna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:03:06 -0400 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <343F790A.C85@mail.fwi.com> All, The subject of the SCD and the medical establishment and CCFA is of great importance. We have a significant grass roots movement now that needs to grow even stronger. I remember when Elaine came to Fort Wayne, I called in advance to the leader of the support group for cystic fibrosis. I wanted her group to know about the Elaine's talk and they could come to one of the presentations if they chose to. The lady told me that she would have to check with the doctors to determine if they would allow the group to hear about this information. I think you can guess the result. This practice is fairly common. It is a form of censorship but I do not think they realize that censorship is taking place. I think they believe they are protecting their group. In the long run, I think we need an organization which has a mission to perpetuate the SCD. That would include making information available, be a clearing house for questions/answers and take a proactive role in promoting the SCD. The CCFA is, in my mind, in the fund raising business. They are well organized and do a good job of raising funds. If bowel diseases were ever cured, I suspect the CCFA would change its name and mission and continue to raise funds for another cause. This has happened in the past - remember polio. The medical profession, similarly is in the medicine and operation business. The doctors are well trained and they are good at it. Unfortunately, the best answers are not always medicines and operations. Keep in mind that doctors have been trained for many years in school. They have been thoroughly immersed in the medication/operation methods. To them, anything that deviates from that training is suspect at best. We will not turn the corner on this overnight. We are dealing with one of the most powerful establishments in the world. John Rachel Turet wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Liz, > How frustrating! There are none so blind as those who will not see. Well, > all we can do is continue to TRY to pass the word. I even have people in my > life close to me, who have IBD, who have seen my health go from poor to > great, and who tell me that the diet just looks like too much trouble. > Whatcha gonna do? > Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:22:32 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Message-ID: <l03010d01b0653870fcd1@[206.112.46.16]> Dear Deanna, Results vary from person to person. I hope your bleeding stops soon. I was one of the lucky ones. I was not in a really bad place with my disease when I started the diet 2 & 1/2 years ago (although I was still bleeding), but all my symptoms totally abated within a few months of beginning the diet. Initially, my bleeding became sporadic, before it completely stopped. I'd bleed for only a day or two at a time instead of continuously. The first to go was the bloating and pain. I lost weight, but even before that happened, I noticed that my face LOOKED healthier. The gray palor and bloat left it first. My body stopped feeling as though there were an engine constantly running sluggishly ( on overdrive), working insanely hard to digest anything I put in it. This is something I've meant to ask the group, if anyone else experienced this when their disease was active. In any case, I wish you lots of good luck and health. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:02:04 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <199710111610.JAA20386@cascade.pacificrim.net> If I ever show up at one off these events, it certainly isn't to try to convince the doctors or the CCFA salaried people of anything. All it takes is one look at the animosity in their faces to figure that one out. I look at it as an opportunity to bring up the diet and hope that a few new people get the needed information. Lucy ---------- > From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas > Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 6:03 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > All, > > The subject of the SCD and the medical establishment and CCFA is of great importance. > We have a significant grass roots movement now that needs to grow even stronger. > > I remember when Elaine came to Fort Wayne, I called in advance to the leader of the > support group for cystic fibrosis. I wanted her group to know about the Elaine's talk > and they could come to one of the presentations if they chose to. The lady told me that > she would have to check with the doctors to determine if they would allow the group to > hear about this information. I think you can guess the result. This practice is fairly > common. It is a form of censorship but I do not think they realize that censorship is > taking place. I think they believe they are protecting their group. > > In the long run, I think we need an organization which has a mission to perpetuate the > SCD. That would include making information available, be a clearing house for > questions/answers and take a proactive role in promoting the SCD. > > The CCFA is, in my mind, in the fund raising business. They are well organized and do a > good job of raising funds. If bowel diseases were ever cured, I suspect the CCFA would > change its name and mission and continue to raise funds for another cause. This has > happened in the past - remember polio. > > The medical profession, similarly is in the medicine and operation business. The > doctors are well trained and they are good at it. Unfortunately, the best answers are > not always medicines and operations. Keep in mind that doctors have been trained for > many years in school. They have been thoroughly immersed in the medication/operation > methods. To them, anything that deviates from that training is suspect at best. > > We will not turn the corner on this overnight. We are dealing with one of the most > powerful establishments in the world. > > John > > > Rachel Turet wrote: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Liz, > > How frustrating! There are none so blind as those who will not see. Well, > > all we can do is continue to TRY to pass the word. I even have people in my > > life close to me, who have IBD, who have seen my health go from poor to > > great, and who tell me that the diet just looks like too much trouble. > > Whatcha gonna do? > > Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Message-ID: <971011132128_615341375@emout16.mail.aol.com> I don't know how to use this listserv as I just signed on a few days ago. I've never done anything like this on the computer before but I have been reading everything on this SCD site like crazy. I stumbled across it when I was on a celiac site and found it immediately interesting because the celiac diet was not helping me (I couldn't even handle rice). None of their alternative grains worked for me. I called to order the book and actually got Elaine on the phone. She was very helpful and I should get my book this week. From reading the information off the SCD site I've been following the diet as closely as I can figure out. It has already helped! I do have one beginning question though - I hate yoghurt! What to do? I have cramps if I drink a fruit smoothie with yoghurt from the health food store. I've also been told I have candida. I was discouraged when one of your writers suggested that someone might have to go off the SCD diet and work on the candida problem first, although I heard in the book Elaine says the SCD diet works well for those with candida. I think this forum is a good one and I hope I can participate. Thank-you for listening! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:50:12 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Message-ID: <l03010d03b0657a7c810b@[206.112.46.16]> Dear Jane, The book says to use homemade yogurt (I too hated yogurt when i started. I love it now) & gives you the recipe. I think you'll find it easier to digest. The diet should also take care of your candida problem. Good luck, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Taylor <susantaylor1@yahoo.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Message-ID: <19971011180045.24063.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Hi; my name is Susan Taylor and am new to this list. I wanted to introduce myself. I was diagnosed with Crohns and colitis in December of 1996. I have been reading letters from the Web site since about January 1997. I have tried to stay on the diet with some success.but I have to admit that chocolate is my biggest downfall. Just yesterday I had this bad abd cramping that lasted for over 5 hours and I wanted to curl up and die. In my panic I called my doctor who has increased my prednisone to 40mg/day and put me on 6-MP and flagyl. What do you think. I am wondering why so much prednisone. Well I guess this is more than enough information for my hello message. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: additional allowable food Message-ID: <971011142142_1699604402@emout15.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone, Does the SCD diet allow plantains? They're from the banana family, I just haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. Also, how about almond milk (without forbidden sweetner or homemade kind using honey). And date sugar for cooking/baking? Thanks, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:02:56 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Bleeding Improvement on the Diet? Message-ID: <19971011182645.AAA27870@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: Kebridan@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Diet without yogurt > Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 1:21 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jane, I have been on the diet for one year . I do not and never have eaten yogurt. It tears up my colon. I also had a candida problem before the diet. That is much more in check now. Maybe I will try yogurt in the future but I am in no rush. It is possible to do the diet minus the yogurt. My colon is in great shape 99% of the time the only time it reminds me of it's past state is if I slip and cheat. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: potential SCD recipes (?) Message-ID: <971011151408_-1496107070@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hello everyone, I was looking through all my cookbooks in attempt to find some other recipes for a variation in cooking/baking. I found some in the FIT FOR LIFE cookbook, and would like to share them with you. I would like some feedback if they are forbidden in the diet. I think they would be delicious, although I haven't yet personally made them yet. FRUINOLA 2 large apples, peeled and coreed 1/4C coarsly ground almonds 1 Tbs currants 2 tsp sweetner ( the book says maple syrup. Maybe honey instead?) 1/4 C shredded coconut (opt) 1/2 tsp ground cinnamon 1/4 C diced dried figs 1/4 c fresh apple juice (or cider according to SCD) 1. Place the apples and currants in food processor and coarsely grind. 2. Mix the apple mixture with the rest of the ingredients. Mix well. (serves 2) CHEWY BREAKFAST PUDDING 2 large dates 1 apple, peeled, and cut into quarters 1 large frozen banana 3 large dates, diced into chewy bits 1. Place the first 4 ingredients in blender and puree into thick pudding. 2. Pour mixture into bowl and stir in dates. Eat with spoon. (serves 2 -3) STANDARD FRUIT PIE CRUST 1/3 C sunflower seeds 1/3 C dried, unsweetend shredded coconut 1/2 C sesame seeds 1/2 to 1 C raisins (enough to make to mixture gooey) 1/3 C almonds or pecans 1 C soft pitted dates 1. Grind the seeds, nuts, and coconut to a fine meal in a food processor. Add fruit and process, adding additional raisins, as necessary until the mixture forms into a ball. 2. Press mixture into a 9-in. pie plate. The crust will be nearly 1/4-in. thick. Refrigerate a couple of hours before using. Note: You can substitute any combination of seeds and nuts to equal quantities in recipe If mixture does not ball up, add a few Tbs. apple juice, of water. Variation: For a delicious high-energy treat, roll this mixture into walnut-size balls or logs, roll in coconut, and freeze. PEACHES AND CREAM PIE 1 standard fruit pie crust (above) 1/2 C water 5-6 large peaches, peeled 1 tsp. vanilla extract 3 Tbs fresh orange juice 1/3 C sunflower oil 1/2 C raw cashew pieces 3 Tbs sweetner (book asks for maple syrup) 1. Prepare the crust and set in refrigerator or freezer. 2. Sclice peaces in half moons. In a mixing bowl, combine the peaches with the OJ and set aside. 3. Place cashews in blender with sweetner, water, and vanilla. blend until creamy and smooth. While tha blender is on LOW, add oil in a thin stream through the opening lid until the mixture thickens but is slightly runny. 4. Coat bottom of crust with a thin layer of the cashew mixture. Add layer of peach slices in flower petal fashion, spread the cashew mix again and continue so until you end with a top layer of peaches. 5. Refrigerate at least 2 hours before serving. (...if you can wait that long) (serves 8) ******I have more recipes. If anyone is interested, I could post some more. They contain nothing that is forbidden on the diet. They are: PEANUT BUTTER-BANANA PIE POWER BARS (uses dried bananas) FRUIT CHEWIES (uses dried bananas) FALL FRUIT BREAKFAST PUDDING (uses home made Almond Milk [water & almonds]) COCOBANANA CEREAL (no cerals, only almond milk) APPLENUT CEREAL (again, no cereals, only almond milk) FRUIT AND JUICE BASED SAUCES FOR FRUIT SALADS (eg., Creamy peach sauce, apple-date sauce, pina-banana sauce, applecado sauce...) SMOOTHIES (eg. strawberry, Dutch apple, strawberry-papaya delight, banana-peach, mango paradise, watermellon-rasberry, apple-melon, tutti-frutti, papabanana, appleberry) BANANA 'MILK' EASY ZUCCHINI AND VEGATABLES IN A SKILLET ITALIAN-STYLE ZUCCHINI SKILLET PEAS AND ROSEMARY PETITE PEAS WITH THYME AND GARLIC SWISS CHARD AND TOMATOES ASPARAGUS BOLOGNESE from Simone :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:18:12 -0700 From: Moira <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD and autism Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971011131607.24b72e9a@megamed.com> Is anyone out there trying the SCD diet with their child who is diagnosed with autism? I am a new subscriber and am trying this diet, we have been going gluten free and casein free and seen lots of improvement, are hoping to see more with the exclusion also of rice and potatoes. Moira ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MSWday@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: help with a friend Message-ID: <971011163315_-59080033@emout16.mail.aol.com> I have a strange request. I have a friend with CD. She is in really bad shape!!! And she doesn't have a computer CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!! i have been on the diet for about three weeks (i've posted before-i usually wine about having to give up pasta and sweets) but anyway.... i sent her the book, but she doesn't have the constant support we do!! my request is this: if it's not to much trouble, could some of you write to her and tell of your experiences on the diet, she could really use it. here is her address: Kerri Walsh 7095 Hollywood Blvd #554 Hollywood, CA 90028-8903 if you can't i understand. thanks Mike ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #66 **********************
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