SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Sun, 5 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 60 In this issue: Re: Bill - Buckwheat Re: beans again Re: Bill - Buckwheat zucchini muffins buckwheat Re: zucchini muffins Re: cheese snacks Re: cheese snacks -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bill - Buckwheat Message-ID: <v01550102b05c1dd8abdb@[206.40.74.52]> Sooooo, if Buckwheat is an herb, then why couldn't we who are on the SCD eat it? Does Elaine talk about this in the book? Prateeksha >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >In a message dated 97-10-03 23:29:29 EDT, you write: > ><< yes, buckwheat is a grain and an acidic one at that. >> > >Actually, buckwheat is not a grain as is commonly thought. It is an herb. > >E ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: beans again Message-ID: <v01550101b05c1d6590ba@[206.40.74.52]> Elaine talks about beans in the "Answers" to "Questions for Elaine." I believe she said that Kidney beans are okay, but not pinto or black. But check it out. Prateeksha >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I know this subject has been discussed before, but I was hoping someone >knows which beans are allowed on the SCD diet. The book says that dried >white beans and lentils are allowed, and that soybeans, mungbeans, faba >beans, and garbanzo beans are forbidden. What about all the others: kidney >beans, pinto beans, etc.? > >thanks, > >Tom > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom Robinson <tomr@inow.com> >---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:04:00 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bill - Buckwheat Message-ID: <l03010d05b05c97bca450@[206.112.46.21]> Per Elaine, buckwheat is not acceptable on the SCD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:46:57 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: zucchini muffins Message-ID: <971004204454_-1865352006@emout15.mail.aol.com> Prateeksha - 4 cups of zucchini instead of 3???? i made just this for the first time today and i'll never make it again. they were the worst muffins i ever tasted. even i could look at this recipe WHEN i was making it knowing there was too much liquid. sure enough, there was. if i make it again, im adding more flour or less zucchini. Prateeksha - would like to know how long you have been on the diet? Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:51:31 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: buckwheat Message-ID: <971004205106_-1496879556@emout12.mail.aol.com> Yes, i learned twice today that buckwheat is not a grain. however according to the body ecology diet, buckwheat and amaranth are considered ALTERNATIVE grains, so i apologize. and for the record - page 54: GRAINS NOT PERMITTED - wheat, barley, corn, rye, oats, rice, BUCKWHEAT so i guess thats where i got it ( i dont make this stuff up - i usually get it from someone else!) Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: zucchini muffins Message-ID: <971004221112_57546175@emout03.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-04 20:47:39 EDT, you write: << there was too much liquid. sure enough, there was. if i make it again, im adding more flour or less zucchini. >> Less zucchini might be the better choice given your description. Almond flour is 50-60% oil so if you added more almond flour you would also be adding oil. Adding the flour might make it look "right" when you made the batter, but the oil would come out as it baked. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 07:43:48 +0000 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cheese snacks Message-ID: <34374534.5A41@emory.edu> > I joined this list a few days ago -- what a find! (Can I get a digest > version? I tried "set digest" to no avail.) I can't get digest version either...I tried. I think we all have problems with our digestion, and that's why we're here! *JOKE* HA HA (HAs anyone sucessfully set up the digest version? or were there only problems at the beginning, as I haven't tried since my first unsucessful attempt). I'm the only person I know > on this diet (on since last Christmas), so it's really nice to talk to > you guys. I tell my friends that I'm on the Woody Allen "Sleeper" diet > -- I can have bacon and eggs, but no whole wheat bread! Actually, I > usually prefer not to engage in discussion of my strange new eating > habits, but cannot always avoid it. Just saying no when people offer me > food usually works, but not always. What do other people say gracefully? I just say that I'm sick, and by avoiding complex carbos I alleviate my symptoms, and am slowly getting better (this usually leads to a "Wow, no grain? no sugar? no milk? That's insane, what's left? To which I respond the usual - fruit, veg, meat, etc. I like the "Sleeper" line!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cheese snacks Message-ID: <971005101418_1924504658@emout14.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 08:44:36 EDT, you write: << Just saying no when people offer me > food usually works, but not always. What do other people say gracefully? >> I too love the sleeper line! I'm still wrestling with the "what to say" issue. I started out telling waiters that I'm on a medically restricted diet but then worried that they might construe that to be a conventional low salt or low fat diet where getting what you shouldn't have is less of an issue than with this diet. Lately, I've tried telling waiters that I have significant food allergies and that is why I really need my food served with nothing added. I'm thinking this gets across the idea that I might have an immediate and negative reaction to even a little bit of the offending item (and they wouldn't want that to happen in their restaurant!) With my friends/colleagues/customers who know I have crohns, it's an easy thing. I just tell them that I've finally found a diet regimen that is making me feel better and they are thrilled for me. What I am still wrestling with is how to deal with this on a first date with someone. I'm assuming that if I order plain grilled salmon with steamed vegetables and decline bread and dessert, they will just think that I'm either on a weight loss diet or a healthy heart diet and won't find it too unusual. (I'll just skip the part where I usually tell the waiter they can put butter on my food, just nothing else!) I tend to be very open and matter of fact about my illness. I guess I've been forced to be because for the last 2.5 years it's been pretty obvious that something was wrong with me. I've been dating people whom I already knew during the time I was so ill, so I never had to explain to someone in a dating context. Now it's no longer obvious that I'm ill. Telling them too soon seems inappropriate and waiting too long to tell them seems inappropriate too. Has anyone developed some personal rules of thumb on this? (My approach--telling people I'm on haitus from dating--isn't a long term solution! ;-) Ellen ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #60 ********************** SCD-list Mon, 6 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 61 In this issue: Re: zucchini muffins Re: cheese snacks zucchini muffins 100% lactose reduced yogurt Re: zucchini muffins another colonoscopy respiratory problems Re: respiratory problems Re: another colonoscopy Re: Liz - Carbos Re: another colonoscopy Re: zucchini muffins Re: respiratory problems Re: Bill - Buckwheat Dating [was:cheese snacks] respiratory problems Foley Food Mill Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Re: respiratory problems Grains and the SCD (was: Liz - Carbos) Re: another colonoscopy Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Re: Can limited SCD work? Re: Can limited SCD work? Re: Can limited SCD work? Re: Foley Food Mill Re: another colonoscopy Re: respiratory problems -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: zucchini muffins Message-ID: <v01550100b05d6ff433cf@[206.40.74.54]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Joan, yes, 4 cs of zucchini instead of 3 ...but...I add additional flour just by looking at the mixture until it gets to the consistency I want...since I have lots of pecan flour I don't use as much as the almond flour I ordered at the same time, I use the pecan flour as my "adding flour" and it makes a wonderful zucchini muffin. Sorry, I didn't mention adding more flour. I have been on the diet 4 months Oct. 15. Prateeksha >Prateeksha - > >4 cups of zucchini instead of 3???? i made just this for the first time today >and i'll never make it again. they were the worst muffins i ever tasted. even >i could look at this recipe WHEN i was making it knowing there was too much >liquid. sure enough, there was. if i make it again, im adding more flour or >less zucchini. > >Prateeksha - would like to know how long you have been on the diet? > >Joan ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: cheese snacks Message-ID: <v01550102b05d744236b3@[206.40.74.54]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Ellen, Whether single or not (which I am), I think it depends on my attitude about my diet the extent to which other people get "charged" "inefficient" , etc. If I am okay, not embarrassed with it, and relaxes, I find "they" are okay and accommodating. I get extremely specific in restaurants and find the better the restaurant, the less mix-ups! So, I don't go to fast food places and expect to have the accommodations that I do in a little better restaurant. I find Italian places pretty good for olive oil brushed salmon and veggies either baked or sauteed in olive oil. I even get specific about asking which veggies they have, explaining that I can't eat onion, stringed beans or peas, etc. If the person I am with,should have a problem with this, He (she) is not the kind of person I would want to spend time with and would get qualified in a hurry! So far, my "date" has been absolutely okay with my diet...I find I worry about it more than others do, anyway! Prateeksha >In a message dated 97-10-05 08:44:36 EDT, you write: > ><< Just saying no when people offer me > > food usually works, but not always. What do other people say gracefully? > >> > >I too love the sleeper line! I'm still wrestling with the "what to say" >issue. I started out telling waiters that I'm on a medically restricted diet >but then worried that they might construe that to be a conventional low salt >or low fat diet where getting what you shouldn't have is less of an issue >than with this diet. Lately, I've tried telling waiters that I have >significant food allergies and that is why I really need my food served with >nothing added. I'm thinking this gets across the idea that I might have an >immediate and negative reaction to even a little bit of the offending item >(and they wouldn't want that to happen in their restaurant!) > >With my friends/colleagues/customers who know I have crohns, it's an easy >thing. I just tell them that I've finally found a diet regimen that is >making me feel better and they are thrilled for me. > >What I am still wrestling with is how to deal with this on a first date with >someone. I'm assuming that if I order plain grilled salmon with steamed >vegetables and decline bread and dessert, they will just think that I'm >either on a weight loss diet or a healthy heart diet and won't find it too >unusual. (I'll just skip the part where I usually tell the waiter they can >put butter on my food, just nothing else!) I tend to be very open and matter >of fact about my illness. I guess I've been forced to be because for the >last 2.5 years it's been pretty obvious that something was wrong with me. > I've been dating people whom I already knew during the time I was so ill, so >I never had to explain to someone in a dating context. Now it's no longer >obvious that I'm ill. Telling them too soon seems inappropriate and waiting >too long to tell them seems inappropriate too. Has anyone developed some >personal rules of thumb on this? (My approach--telling people I'm on haitus >from dating--isn't a long term solution! ;-) > >Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:57:42 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: zucchini muffins Message-ID: <971005195502_814750256@emout13.mail.aol.com> Dear Ellen - thanx for your advice. will use less zucchini next time and see how it goes. i would like to know what everyone highly recommends as a yogurt starter. i wrote once and got an answer and i think they said use yogurt. well, if im going to use yogurt itself as a starter, im not going to bother making it. i know you guys know what to use and whats allowed and would like to know where to find what you recommend and what the ingredients are. yea, as far as waiters go, i dont say, i dont WANT rice. i tell them i CANT HAVE rice so please leave it off. the boyfriend thing could be a little difficult. like you said saying something too early doesnt seem right and telling them something too late doesnt either. i just say be honest right from the get go in case it DOES lead to something. dessert? no, not good for me. doesnt agree with me if it has to come to that. if they ask what happens, ask them if they want to find out! Joan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 19:08:29 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Message-ID: <19971006020829.17442.qmail@hotmail.com> I've been buying 100% lactose-reduced yogurt commercially and using it in baking occasionally (I don't like yogurt itself) Any problem with this? I haven't noticed any problems personally, but don't want to damage my system. I see you all are making your own -- I would sooner go without! Thanks, Mary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: zucchini muffins Message-ID: <971005234416_-1674059504@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 19:58:19 EDT, you write: << would like to know where to find what you recommend and what the ingredients are. >> I've been using the Yogourmet starter. It is available from the same folks who distribute the Yogourmet yogurt maker and can also be found in health food stores. Whole foods stocks it in my area in the dairy section. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JPS3450@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: another colonoscopy Message-ID: <971006000739_239216751@emout19.mail.aol.com> I have had UC for 16 years. Needless to say my eating habits were terrible. I was frequently called the sugar kid. I lived on fast food, and all the "illegal" foods were part of my daily regeme. I am happy to report that I have been on the diet for 10 months and I feel really good. I must admit there have been several setbacks, but I have all the confidence in this diet. Anyway, I have had regular colonoscopies for the past 16 years and quite frankly I am sick of it. I dont think that the doctors know anything because all they try to do is cover up my sickness with medicines, and tell me they dont know why I am sick. I was wondering if anyone knows of ANY alternatives to a colonoscopy. Are there any home tests that I can do? I am really so not looking forward to seeing my doctor again. Help me--- Thanks, J.P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:57:36 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: respiratory problems Message-ID: <199710060549.WAA31263@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> Hi, Have any of you ever heard of or experienced respiratory problems as a result of IBD? Our 12 year old son was diagnossed with CD earlier this year. He was put on a low dose of prednisone briefly, and we have been on the diet since shortly after he tapered off it. He has had coughs and/or nasal congestion almost all year, except while he was on pred. My wife has always thought that it was related to his gut problem. I, on the other hand was of the opinion that it could be completely unrelated. It has persisted for a very long time though, and I now think that she must be right. I put out a feeler or two a long time ago about this (not on this list), and didn't come up with much. The Dr., of course, has little or nothing to say abot it. His pediatrician did prescribe two inhalers for him...thinking he might have asthma. This was back before the CD diagnossis, and I think they helped the cough a bit. Like always though, they just treat the symptom, and do nothing at all about the cause. With this exception, the SCD seems to be doing great things for him. He's gaining weight and height (he had been loosing ground). The joint pain is almost not a problem anymore, though it hasn't completely gone away. He does go to the bathroom a little more often than his friends (3 or 4 times a day), but nothing like we've read about here, and his stools are formed and healthy looking. Actually, according to what my wife has been reading, three or four trips a day to the throne is what we should all be doing, which is alright with me. I just wonder if maybe he's going more often and tells us that so we won't be upset Health, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 06:32:05 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: respiratory problems Message-ID: <l03010d00b05e7bf3a6ab@[206.112.46.10]> Dear Steve, Sorry but I don't know of respitory distress being part of IBD, but this is a whole auto immune ball of wax, so nothing would surprise me. Maybe your son has allergies. Have you checked this possibility out? I'm glad his gut and joints are improving. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:14:54 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: another colonoscopy Message-ID: <3438D63D.A1C978EB@emory.edu> With UC, you still should go one a year to mae sure you aren't developing colon cancer, which supposedly has a higher incidence in people with UC. Unfortunately, there's no alternative I can think of, except ignoring the issue. JPS3450@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have had UC for 16 years. Needless to say my eating habits were > terrible. > I was frequently called the sugar kid. I lived on fast food, and all > the > "illegal" foods were part of my daily regeme. I am happy to report > that I > have been on the diet for 10 months and I feel really good. I must > admit > there have been several setbacks, but I have all the confidence in > this diet. > > Anyway, I have had regular colonoscopies for the past 16 years and > quite > frankly I am sick of it. I dont think that the doctors know anything > because > all they try to do is cover up my sickness with medicines, and tell me > they > dont know why I am sick. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of ANY alternatives to a colonoscopy. > Are > there any home tests that I can do? I am really so not looking > forward to > seeing my doctor again. > > Help me--- > Thanks, > > J.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:44:55 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: intest_health@listserv.azstarnet.com, "SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Liz - Carbos Message-ID: <3438DD47.156508A9@bedford.net> SHADOWPUP@aol.com wrote: > Bill - > > yes, buckwheat is a grain and an acidic one at that. since the diet is > a > specific one, we need to stay in the parameters. since your not fixed > yet > (sorry), i knew i was telling her right by staying off of all grains. > thebody doesnt know one grain from another and if we want to heal the > gut and > No need to say your sorry: my disease, my responsibility. With your logic, many of us, even Racheal, can't even recommend the SCD. Her experience was positive, but she and many other of the "healed" still have other problems. My experience so far was positive on the modified diet. The bottom line is that we don't have a solid proven theory on why it works, and we don't know if there are any long term problems with the diet.I did explain that millet and buckwheat are not on the diet. Can someone answer me this? Do we know that grains are irritating? I have a feeling that this something like a wive's tale. I would say that wheat is definitely irritating -- probably the gluten. Oats have lots of shells and stuff. Most people can't digest corn. So what is exactly the irritating part of grains and do all grains have this problem? I still think its probably just the "staple" grains that are the irritating grains, so people just carried over to _all_ grains. I am willing, however, to eliminate them just in case. > grains are causing problems, the body knows when we take it ALL away > that it > isnt getting the very things that irritate it. > > yes, wanting to be well is a committment. some people have time to > waste. i > dont. its everyones individual decision and committment but in case > Liz was > committed, she needed to know what was real and since this is about > the > specific carbohydrate diet, eventually it wont be if we give advice > straying > away from the very content. If I may say publicly, I do feel a little uncomfortable about my last posts concerning straying from the diet. I'll explain myself better in the future, but frankly, the "do it or die" attitude of many of the people of this list is not necessarily the most supportive. It's scary, it sounds radical -- I bet we lose people over it. Anyway, I'll keep it off the public areas. Over the past 5 days I've eliminated both the millet and buckwheat. After adding vegetables in large enough quantities -- 2-3 pounds a day, I felt it wasn't necessary. So after a month or so on the modified diet, I'm satisfied that it did what it was supposed to do -- eliminate prednesone and get me on the SCD. Now I'm ready to make some bigger gains, so I'm going to drop the grains completely. Millet and buckwheat are suitable on most candida control diets. My opinion is that if you have to ease into SCD, you have to at least follow a candida diet -- I don't think you'll get very far eating potatoes and rice -- I know I never did. My logic says (correct me more experienced people) that the SCD eliminates many/most of the irritants and causes of inflammation -- and this is the only way we will be successful in cleansing and healing. So if you just _can't_ eliminate everything on the diet at first and you have time to continue to allow yourself to be sick, then do it in stages. I believe the real results will come with the SCD. There is a health food store nearby my home. Its name is "Health by Choice." A name with a message. We do have a choice, and what I think is incredible is that it really is a difficult choice to make. It took me 3 years to make the right choice, and after 3 more years, I'm still struggling. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 08:59:59 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: another colonoscopy Message-ID: <3438E0CE.85A8A6C6@bedford.net> JPS3450@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > I was wondering if anyone knows of ANY alternatives to a colonoscopy. > Are > there any home tests that I can do? I am really so not looking > forward to > seeing my doctor again. > This has to be your personal choice, but you do have the choice to not have the scope. The standard screening for cancer is an "ocult blood" feces test (something like that). I'm not sure how accurate it is, and I don't know how early it detects cancers. You may not be able to use it because you probably still have blood in your feces. You will probably have to find a doctor who respects your rights before you can even discuss this option, but I would think it would be a likely, albeit risky, way to quit the scoping. Frankly, I doubt any mainstream doctor would talk to you about it. You do owe it to yourself to get the facts -- and not from a bunch of internet junkies. Good luck, Bill > Help me--- > Thanks, > > J.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:02:16 -0500 From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: zucchini muffins Message-ID: <v03102800b05e919d62cd@[129.186.242.88]> I tried the zuch. muffins last night and they were a complete flop. The insides were the consistency of cooked oatmeal. I will stick to the banana muffins--they are wonderful. Maureen S. > >yes, 4 cs of zucchini instead of 3 ...but...I add additional flour just by >looking at the mixture until it gets to the consistency I want...since I >have lots of pecan flour I don't use as much as the almond flour I ordered >at the same time, I use the pecan flour as my "adding flour" and it makes a >wonderful zucchini muffin. > >Sorry, I didn't mention adding more flour. > >I have been on the diet 4 months Oct. 15. > >Prateeksha > > > >>Prateeksha - >> >>4 cups of zucchini instead of 3???? i made just this for the first time today >>and i'll never make it again. they were the worst muffins i ever tasted. even >>i could look at this recipe WHEN i was making it knowing there was too much >>liquid. sure enough, there was. if i make it again, im adding more flour or >>less zucchini. >> >>Prateeksha - would like to know how long you have been on the diet? >> >>Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: respiratory problems Message-ID: <971006090553_-993307978@emout11.mail.aol.com> Steve, I don't have any official background which qualifies me to comment, but here goes. My CD causes nasal and lung congestion in me on a regular basis. When the CD flares, I get congested. The sensation is as though I'm starting to come down with something but then it clears up. It could be a side effect of the CD, or it could be a reaction to a food that triggers both the CD and the congestion. An ELISA test could show which foods your son would have an immune response to. Also, I would think, that this could be a histamine reaction indicative of an allergy of some kind. Again some testing might clarify that. It can be a common response to dairy, but given that your son is still a child you might not want to experiment with eliminating it. The testing might be the most informative option and then you could take it from there. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:06:44 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bill - Buckwheat Message-ID: <3438E263.32EF555E@bedford.net> Prateeksha Bogardus wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sooooo, if Buckwheat is an herb, then why couldn't we who are on the > SCD > eat it? Does Elaine talk about this in the book? > > Prateeksha My guess, it that someone made a mistake, and probably won't ever admit it. The real question is: "Is it harmful to the diet?" Maybe, maybe not. We really don't know why the diet works, so I guess we'll never know. I guess "use at your own risk" is the policy here. If it is "acid forming", as someone said, then common theories say that is not a good thing for the health of the body, and will also contribute to candiasis. I personally don't wholeheartely subscribe to the acid/alkaline forming foods theory, but it is interesting that all the foods that are thought alkaline are considered good for us. Meat, BTW, is acid forming. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:33:17 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Dating [was:cheese snacks] Message-ID: <3438E89C.31434D27@bedford.net> EllenAdams@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > What I am still wrestling with is how to deal with this on a first > date with > someone. I'm assuming that if I order plain grilled salmon with > steamed > vegetables and decline bread and dessert, they will just think that > I'm > either on a weight loss diet or a healthy heart diet and won't find it > too > unusual. (I'll just skip the part where I usually tell the waiter > they can > put butter on my food, just nothing else!) I tend to be very open and > matter > of fact about my illness. I guess I've been forced to be because for > the > last 2.5 years it's been pretty obvious that something was wrong with > me. > I've been dating people whom I already knew during the time I was so > ill, so > I never had to explain to someone in a dating context. Now it's no > longer > obvious that I'm ill. Telling them too soon seems inappropriate and > waiting > too long to tell them seems inappropriate too. Has anyone developed > some > personal rules of thumb on this? (My approach--telling people I'm on > haitus > from dating--isn't a long term solution! ;-) > Damn, I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I was given a phone number about a month ago and was in the middle of a flare. Nights were my worst time so dating without honesty would be extremely tough. Add to that a blind date. What I worry about is the whole issue of willpower. Every woman I know is trying to lose weight or at least watching their weight (usually watching it go up!). So I show this so-call incredible willpower and they're so embarrased that they can't stay away from a simple pat of butter on their bland baked potato. (Do they even realize that I don't eat potatoes either? Aaahh!). I'm thinking that I just have to hook them in for a couple of dates, and then come out and be honest. What about "dinner and movie" without the dinner? For alcohol, I think vodka is allowed (better check the book) so wouldn't screwdrivers be a good drink -- and hell, it's almost cool not to drink these days, so that probably isn't a concern. These ideas, unfortuneately, haven't been tried. Most first dates are in periods of remission for me (no symptoms at all) so I don't have any immediate need to tell all, but I've always come clean after a few dates. This possible blind date is with a nurse, and this particulary scares me. Will she want to take care of me -- that I definitely don't want. Anyway, I haven't had a date in over 1 1/2 years (I'm 30, BTW). So, Ellen, whatcha doing this weekend? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 06:51:27 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: respiratory problems Message-ID: <199710061507.IAA27559@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Steve, Maybe look toward allergies as the cause of respiratory problems. Molds, mildew, dust, cats, dogs, etc. can all bring on asthma like symptoms. Allergies and CD walk hand in hand occasionally. Good luck :-) Barb ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Home Office System Support Vancouver, B.C., Canada http://hoss.bc.ca ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 09:03:49 PDT From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com>, "StJohns SCD List" <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Subject: Foley Food Mill Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> Hi Y'all- I just bought a Foley's Food Mill to remove the skins of beans. There was a recent discussion on how the skins can cause irritation in some people, and I'm hoping this will help me better tolerate beans since they are a good source of carbos as well as protein. Question: This may seem obvious, but do you put the beans through the mill just after soaking, or after cooking? When I put them through after cooking, the result is a paste. Question: I also noticed that there were still small pieces of skin in the resulting paste. Is this normal? I bought mine from the housewares section of a local hardware store and it cost about $30US. Kim Endres kendres@resdyn.com San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:56:38 -0400 From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Message-ID: <85256528.004707E3.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com> Hi Mary, Out of curiosity, what is the brand of yogurt and where are you buying it? lserv @ hotmail.com Sunday October 5, 1997 10:08 PM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list @ longisland.com cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential) Subject: 100% lactose reduced yogurt -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been buying 100% lactose-reduced yogurt commercially and using it in baking occasionally (I don't like yogurt itself) Any problem with this? I haven't noticed any problems personally, but don't want to damage my system. I see you all are making your own -- I would sooner go without! Thanks, Mary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:26:07 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: respiratory problems Message-ID: <34392D3F.118E@pacbell.net> Steve, I myself have had respiratory problems. They cleared up tremedously with the SCD but I still have bouts of congestion, especially in the morning. I can often tie it in with my digestive health too. The only explanation I have found comes from Chinese Medicine. I can't do the official explanation justice because I can't talk in chinese metaphors the way they do, but they have explanations about how "dampness" from the intestines can affect the lungs, the sinuses, and such. I've used herbal preparations for this that help my sinuses, and they also go a long way, at the same time, to help with muscle aches I also get associated to my intestinal health and leaky gut. I don't know if this helps out, but I found it helpful when I disovered it. However, beyond going to a Chinese doctor, I really believe that eventually, with the SCD, the problems should eventually go away. My personal experience is that the gut is still healing for quite a while after one no longer has any diarrhea. Glad to hear your son is doing so well on the diet! Denise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:38:28 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Grains and the SCD (was: Liz - Carbos) Message-ID: <34393024.5437@pacbell.net> Bill, We all need to do what suits us best. I wish you well with the approach you are trying and hope it works for you. However, there is a lot of science behind why the scd works for a lot of people (even Elaine herself says not everybody). It's not grains per se, it's complex carbohydrates, which stay in the intestines longer to be digested and thus provide more food for the bacteria that put the bowel flora out of balance, which leads to inflamation and so on. I just wanted to emphasize that because it's quite a bit more than an ol' wives tale. By adding grains, even like buckwheat and millet, you are running the risk of providing food for those bacteria that make you ill. It's not just about gluten and such (unless you are one of those people who are sensitive to gluten.) It's not that grains are irritating, but that they are made up of complex carbohydrates. Only simple sugars are allowed on the diet because they are digested quickly and thoroughly, even by people with compromised intestinal health. It seems to me that the original premise what that they tried to create a diet that came as close as possible to immitating with solid food the hospital synthetic elemental diet. That's where it was discovered that people with the likes of UC were getting well, but then when they ate regular food, they got sick again. So the SCD comes close to that. Denise > not on the diet. Can someone answer me this? Do we know that grains > are irritating? I have a feeling that this something like a wive's > tale. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:44:08 -0700 From: Dempsey <stellar1@pacbell.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: another colonoscopy Message-ID: <34393178.1473@pacbell.net> I just found out recently that there is an easy blood test they can do to screen for cancer. It is called AMAS. Any physician qualified to order lab tests can order it through Onco Lab, 1-800-922-8378. I just heard about it because of friend of mine has breast cancer and she has been learning a lot about the cutting edge stuff they can do now. Apparently this test (which supposedly costs about $135) is a future replacement for the yearly mammograms many women have. It is highly accurate and there are no false positive results. I don't see why it wouldn't work for colon cancer as well. Denise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:06:47 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Message-ID: <19971006190648.16743.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:56:38 -0400 >Subject: Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt >Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hi Mary, > >Out of curiosity, what is the brand of yogurt and where are you buying it? > > > lserv @ hotmail.com > Sunday October 5, 1997 10:08 PM > > > >Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com >To: SCD-list @ longisland.com >cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential) >Subject: 100% lactose reduced yogurt > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I've been buying 100% lactose-reduced yogurt commercially and using it >in baking occasionally (I don't like yogurt itself) CONTINENTAL 100% LACTOSE REDUCED NONFAT YOGURT PLAIN package says Glendale, CA I haven't had any trouble getting it in the variety of places I buy food in SF Bay Area, such as Whole Foods, Andronicos, -- I may have even gotten it at Luckys or Safeway. Mary ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:40:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <199710061940.OAA01788@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi Prateeshka, I fermented my yoghurt 36 hours as well. The first day I did ok with it, but after eating it the next day, my colon reacted very badly, and of all things, my tongue got very heavily coated. I tolerate cheese and DCCC in nut breads, but by themselves, I have a bad reaction. Funny thing is, before my Crohn's, I was the dairy queen. For 30 years, I ate every form of dairy with absolutely no problem. Life is interesting. Bye/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Oct 1 23:29 CDT 1997 > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:29:21 -0500 (CDT) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) > Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Content-Length: 2058 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Liz wrote: > > > >> Hi, I haven't jumped totally into SCD yet. While I've been sugar and > >yeast > >> free for over a year now, I still eat rice, oats, and potatoes. Here's > >> the problem. I don't tolerate dairy, fruit or honey. So on SCD, what > >does > >> that leave? Animal protein, vegetables, and nuts. That's even more > >limiting > >> than what I'm doing now. Can I get enough nutrients/carbohydrates from > >these > >> 3 categories of food? What can I have for breakfast (besides eggs and nut > >> muffins)? > >> > >> I know how important diet is because I can see how badly certain foods > >> affect me, but you know, it does get a bit frustrating after awhile to > >> have such a limited diet. On the other hand, I do know that it could be > >> worse (i.e. not being able to eat at all).. > >> > Hi Liz, > > I am not tolerating fruit either and have had problems tolerating dairy in > the past; however, I can eat the 36-hour fermented yogurt we make from the > recipe in the book (Elaine says to ferment for 24 hours); and something I > do that you might want to experiment with in order to get those carbs for > breakfast is to make the Zucchini muffins and I put about 4 cups of grated > zucchini into the recipe rather than 3; also the carrot cake recipe, make > it into muffins and add a few more shredded carrots to it. I love these > for breakfast. Also, I make the cheesecake and eat it for breakfast or > snacks. I feel the dry curd cottage cheese which has less than l/2 of 1 > per cent of lactose in it, is well tolerated by me. I mix it with the > yogurt and eat it just about every morning for breakfast. Try these and > see what happens. I'm still not on nuts, or raw anything, so I do have > problems tolerating foods on the diet, also. > > Good luck, Liz. > > Prateeksha > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:44:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <199710061944.OAA01792@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi Kim, I did try the SCD yoghurt (36-hour fermentation). I noted my bad reaction in another post. I did make some beans yesterday (as per SCD), and I seemed to tolerate those quite well, so that's encouraging. I really like beans anyway. Thanks/Liz > I sympathize, Liz. I've been having the same problem. One thing I want to > ask: have you tried yogurt made per the instructions for the SCD? I have > found that I tolerate it well even though I don't normally do well with > dairy. This could be true if your intolerance is for lactose. It still > doesn't solve the carbo problem, but it can be another option. > > Also, if you tolerate beans, they are a good source of carbos. There has > been some discussion lately on the list about using a food mill to remove > the skins which are sometimes a source of problems for people. > > The initial period on the diet is hard, but look on it as an experiment for > 2 weeks to see what happens. Even if you are not getting enough carbos for > that period, you will probably be OK. It will at least let you know if the > approach works for you. > > Kim > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:59:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <199710061959.OAA01861@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi Prateeshka, I fermented my yoghurt 36 hours as well. The first day I did ok with it, but after eating it the next day, my colon reacted very badly, and of all things, my tongue got very heavily coated. I tolerate cheese and DCCC in nut breads, but by themselves, I have a bad reaction. Funny thing is, before my Crohn's, I was the dairy queen. For 30 years, I ate every form of dairy with absolutely no problem. Life is interesting. Bye/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Oct 1 23:29 CDT 1997 > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:29:21 -0500 (CDT) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) > Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Content-Length: 2058 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Liz wrote: > > > >> Hi, I haven't jumped totally into SCD yet. While I've been sugar and > >yeast > >> free for over a year now, I still eat rice, oats, and potatoes. Here's > >> the problem. I don't tolerate dairy, fruit or honey. So on SCD, what > >does > >> that leave? Animal protein, vegetables, and nuts. That's even more > >limiting > >> than what I'm doing now. Can I get enough nutrients/carbohydrates from > >these > >> 3 categories of food? What can I have for breakfast (besides eggs and nut > >> muffins)? > >> > >> I know how important diet is because I can see how badly certain foods > >> affect me, but you know, it does get a bit frustrating after awhile to > >> have such a limited diet. On the other hand, I do know that it could be > >> worse (i.e. not being able to eat at all).. > >> > Hi Liz, > > I am not tolerating fruit either and have had problems tolerating dairy in > the past; however, I can eat the 36-hour fermented yogurt we make from the > recipe in the book (Elaine says to ferment for 24 hours); and something I > do that you might want to experiment with in order to get those carbs for > breakfast is to make the Zucchini muffins and I put about 4 cups of grated > zucchini into the recipe rather than 3; also the carrot cake recipe, make > it into muffins and add a few more shredded carrots to it. I love these > for breakfast. Also, I make the cheesecake and eat it for breakfast or > snacks. I feel the dry curd cottage cheese which has less than l/2 of 1 > per cent of lactose in it, is well tolerated by me. I mix it with the > yogurt and eat it just about every morning for breakfast. Try these and > see what happens. I'm still not on nuts, or raw anything, so I do have > problems tolerating foods on the diet, also. > > Good luck, Liz. > > Prateeksha > > > ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:56:56 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Foley Food Mill Message-ID: <199710062029.NAA25438@cascade.pacificrim.net> Hi Kim, Yes, you use the food mill with cooked beans. Have you tried using the Beano? I asked Elaine about using it, and she thought it would be OK. Lucy ---------- > From: Kim Endres <kendres@resdyn.com> > To: LongIsland SCD List <SCD-list@longisland.com>; StJohns SCD List <SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> > Subject: Foley Food Mill > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 9:03 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Y'all- > > I just bought a Foley's Food Mill to remove the skins of beans. There was > a recent discussion on how the skins can cause irritation in some people, > and I'm hoping this will help me better tolerate beans since they are a > good source of carbos as well as protein. > > Question: This may seem obvious, but do you put the beans through the mill > just after soaking, or after cooking? When I put them through after > cooking, the result is a paste. > > Question: I also noticed that there were still small pieces of skin in the > resulting paste. Is this normal? > > I bought mine from the housewares section of a local hardware store and it > cost about $30US. > > Kim Endres > kendres@resdyn.com > San Antonio, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:25:08 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: another colonoscopy Message-ID: <199710062029.NAA25442@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear JP, I was diagnosed in 1980 with UC, so like you I have had my fair share of scoping. The last GI doctor I went to told me that during the first 10 years you are at no greater risk of getting colon cancer than anyone else. Then with each 10 years that passes your risk goes up a bit. I was told to have a colonoscopy every 2 years, and I'm in my 2nd decade. When I was in my first decade at basically no risk, the doctor I had wanted me in every year. I know what you are going through, I haven't been back for almost 3 years and it's been on the back of my mind lately. Lucy ---------- > From: JPS3450@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: another colonoscopy > Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 9:10 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have had UC for 16 years. Needless to say my eating habits were terrible. > I was frequently called the sugar kid. I lived on fast food, and all the > "illegal" foods were part of my daily regeme. I am happy to report that I > have been on the diet for 10 months and I feel really good. I must admit > there have been several setbacks, but I have all the confidence in this diet. > > Anyway, I have had regular colonoscopies for the past 16 years and quite > frankly I am sick of it. I dont think that the doctors know anything because > all they try to do is cover up my sickness with medicines, and tell me they > dont know why I am sick. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of ANY alternatives to a colonoscopy. Are > there any home tests that I can do? I am really so not looking forward to > seeing my doctor again. > > Help me--- > Thanks, > > J.P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:00:40 -0400 From: MARLENA <MLSiegel@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: respiratory problems Message-ID: <199710061901_MC2-22F9-3E82@compuserve.com> Dear Group: = I, too, have developed respiratory problems (diagnosed with CD a= nd UC 1985). After too many awful and invasive tests (I have some permanent= scars), I was diagnosed with eosynophillic granuloma -- essentially Crohn= 's of the lung. Of the three kinds of Crohn's that have been identified, th= is is one. = It is very rare, most pulmonary specialists have never even seen = it (I'm now "privileged" to have been written up). They have no treatment a= nd say one-third of the time it just is there, one-third it goes away, and one-third it grows until you need a lung transplant -- very encouraging. = Anyway, mine seem to come and go. My family physician prescribed a cortisone inhaler used by asthmatics and it really helps. = As for the diet, 9 months and counting. Good days and not so goo= d. Still on 10mg. prednisone and asacol 3 tablets, 3 times a day. I love t= he yogurt with lots of honey -- thank heavens you all mentioned using half a= nd half -- I really missed having something creamy in my diet. = I've been trying almond recipes, but don't think I'm ready yet. = I really need something crunchy. And something to put butter on would be divine. = Anyway, as to the breathing problems, I'm also returning to yoga.= = Even if it did nothing else, it promotes good breathing habits. = Best wishes to all. = Marlena Philadelphia, PA ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #61 ********************** SCD-list Tue, 7 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 62 In this issue: Re: respiratory problems Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Re: Dating [was:cheese snacks] Re: respiratory problems Raw Egg Re: Raw Egg -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:34:11 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: respiratory problems Message-ID: <l03010d00b05f3303481d@[206.112.46.23]> > > Anyway, as to the breathing problems, I'm also returning to yoga. >Even if it did nothing else, it promotes good breathing habits. Dear Marlena, (what a pretty name) So glad you are going to do yoga. As an avid martial arts practitioner, I know the importance of stretching & breathing exersices. Besides good breathing habits, I'm sure that you will also experience a feeling of well-being that all of us with chronic illnesses sorely need. Much luck. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:46:53 -0400 From: Harvey Koelner <ravko@ix.netcom.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: 100% lactose reduced yogurt Message-ID: <34397868.6B8A@ix.netcom.com> What brand? and where do you buy it? ravko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:38:36 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Dating [was:cheese snacks] Message-ID: <971006223712_522598761@emout01.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-06 09:36:29 EDT, you write: << So, Ellen, whatcha doing this weekend? >> Well, I must say this is the most interesting way that anyone has asked me out! ;-) At least we wouldn't have to worry about how the other person would deal with the diet or be concerned about their understanding of the disease! (and you wouldn't have to worry about me trying to take care of you--I have my hands full just taking care of myself!) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:51:12 -0400 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: respiratory problems Message-ID: <34399590.656C@mail.fwi.com> Steve I have a history of asthma and hay fever (running from spring 'til fall). I have been so weak in the fall that I have had pneumonia 3 times at that time. I have had these conditions for most of my life. This all changed when I changed my foods. The MD that suggested the diet changes put me on an antihistamine. He advised me to remove allergens from my environment wherever possible. That included an are cleaner in my bedroom and not having animals around. I made the changes simultaneously. Each year I was on the diet I needed the antihistamine less and now no longer use them at all. I used the air purifier the first year only. I no longer have the symptoms from spring 'til fall. Do I think the CD and these symptoms were related? I absolutely believe they are. I do not think they are directly connected but more of an indirect nature. I believe that the bowel disorder was silent for many years but putting a drain on my immune system. I believe that an over taxed immune system leads to symptoms appearing as the bodies defenses are weak. I recall that there are several peak periods during the year for outbreaks of flare ups. Two of them are during the spring and fall allergy season. I know one man in our local support group who had major flares in August 4 years in a row. His wife thought that was quite a coincidence. The odds against this happening by chance are about 1 in 20,000. John Steve Hooker wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > > Have any of you ever heard of or experienced respiratory problems as a > result of IBD? Our 12 year old son was diagnossed with CD earlier this > year. He was put on a low dose of prednisone briefly, and we have been on > the diet since shortly after he tapered off it. He has had coughs and/or > nasal congestion almost all year, except while he was on pred. My wife has > always thought that it was related to his gut problem. I, on the other hand > was of the opinion that it could be completely unrelated. It has persisted > for a very long time though, and I now think that she must be right. I put > out a feeler or two a long time ago about this (not on this list), and > didn't come up with much. The Dr., of course, has little or nothing to say > abot it. His pediatrician did prescribe two inhalers for him...thinking he > might have asthma. This was back before the CD diagnossis, and I think they > helped the cough a bit. Like always though, they just treat the symptom, > and do nothing at all about the cause. > > With this exception, the SCD seems to be doing great things for him. He's > gaining weight and height (he had been loosing ground). The joint pain is > almost not a problem anymore, though it hasn't completely gone away. He > does go to the bathroom a little more often than his friends (3 or 4 times > a day), but nothing like we've read about here, and his stools are formed > and healthy looking. Actually, according to what my wife has been reading, > three or four trips a day to the throne is what we should all be doing, > which is alright with me. I just wonder if maybe he's going more often and > tells us that so we won't be upset > > Health, > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:39:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Raw Egg Message-ID: <199710071739.MAA05307@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, some of the recipes in the SCD call for raw egg. Has anyone ever had a problem with this? There is a risk of contracting samonella from ingesting raw egg.. I personally am a little afraid to try it. Regards/Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:47:09 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Raw Egg Message-ID: <199710072151.OAA27624@cascade.pacificrim.net> Hi Liz, If I make mayonnaise with the raw egg, I put a little post-it on the lid with the date on it. If it lasts more than about a week I throw it out. I also don't use any eggs with a crack in the shell. So far I'm still alive! There is a recipe for mayonnaise using a hard boiled egg on Mik's site somewhere in the recipe section, if you are nervous about using a raw egg. Lucy ---------- > From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> > To: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU; SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Raw Egg > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:39 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, some of the recipes in the SCD call for raw egg. > Has anyone ever had a problem with this? There is a > risk of contracting samonella from ingesting raw egg.. > I personally am a little afraid to try it. > > Regards/Liz ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #62 ********************** SCD-list Wed, 8 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 63 In this issue: CRACKER RECIPE Startup Diet Re: book? Re: Startup Diet Re: CRACKER RECIPE Fwd: cheese snacks cheese snacks (crackers) recipe again yogurt starter allergies Re: Raw Egg pecan flour Fw: Startup Diet and blind dates Rookie Re: yogurt starter Re: pecan flour Fwd: immune system Re: Fw: Startup Diet and blind dates Re: Rookie Re: pecan flour [Fwd: (no subject)] Re: Rookie To the Yoghurt Yogis Re: [Fwd: (no subject)] SCD and periods Re: SCD and periods Re: Rookie Re: Rookie -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: CRACKER RECIPE Message-ID: <971007201929_519728132@emout01.mail.aol.com> who posted that recipe for crackers made with cheese? i cant remember. THOSE ARE KILLER CRACKERS. i left out ALL the oil. i figured between the flour and the cheese, and it was indicated that it was awful oily, i figured id try it without it. PERFECT. Thanx Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:35:29 -0400 From: "Bill Miller" <miller@bedford.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Startup Diet Message-ID: <199710072221.3866300@bedford.net> Howdie, I was just thinking about the startup diet. Is it possible to have positive results on the SCD without going through the startup diet? I'm thinking this is a period of initial healing and cleansing and without it, you're just not going to have same results if you just start off with eating beans, all kinds of vegetables and nuts. What do you think? Bill miller@bedford.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:24:27 EDT From: thesmiths5@juno.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: book? Message-ID: <19971007.211858.5031.0.Thesmiths5@juno.com> I ordered the book through the 800 number (1-800-332-3663) and it came from: Port City Fulfillment Ser 250 Huron Avenue Port Huran, MI 48061 I ordered it on October 2, and received it in the mail today, October 7. Good Service, however, I thought the postage and handling was high. The book is $16.95 and the postage and handling is $6.50. Actual postage was $1.24 - book rate. Margaret ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:28:04 -0500 From: Kevin Arnold <Kevin.Arnold@Nashville.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Startup Diet Message-ID: <343AE1A4.6078B6C9@Nashville.com> Bill Miller wrote: > I was just thinking about the startup diet. Is it possible to have > positive results on the SCD without going through the startup diet? I did and I had great results. FWIW. Regards, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:52:37 +0000 From: "Barbara Mills" <Barb.Mills@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CRACKER RECIPE Message-ID: <199710080308.UAA24375@diablo.intergate.bc.ca> Joan, Could you post the recipe for these crackers? Thanks, Barb ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Home Office System Support Vancouver, B.C., Canada http://hoss.bc.ca ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:44:22 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Fwd: cheese snacks Message-ID: <19971008024422.3575.qmail@hotmail.com> Here is the cheese snack (crackers) recipe again. Joan, thanks for the tip to use NO OIL; I'll try that! -- Mary > >--------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > >I have a cheese snack recipe that works with almond flour, that two >regular eaters asked me for -- it's good, though a little greasy. I >picked up a tip from this list already, to add less oil when using >almond flour, and I will try that next time. Here is the recipe with its >full oil allotment: > >Cheese snacks 350 degrees for 15 minutes > >1/4 pound shredded cheddar cheese >1 cup almond flour >1/2 teaspoon salt >1/4 teaspoon sage (or fresh sage) >1/4 teaspoon thyme (or fresh thyme) >1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper (really makes it good) >1/4 cup vegetable oil (you may try reducing this) >3 tbsp. cold water >coarse salt, sesame seeds or poppy seeds > >Add flour, salt, sage, thyme and cayenne pepper to cheese. Mix. > >Add oil and water to cheese mixture. Mix. Form into a ball and >refrigerate until firm, about 15 minutes. > >(Roll dough on a lightly powdered smooth flat surface. Sprinkle with >your choice of salt or seeds, and lightly roll in.)* > >Cut into one 1/2 inch squares and place on cookie sheet. Bake 15 >minutes at 350 degrees. Cool. Makes two dozen crackers. >--------------------------------------------------- ------------------- >*I put this in parentheses, because although it's a good idea, it makes >for much more stuff to clean up, and it's not essential. I've taken to >just forming small squares and going directly from the bowl to the >cookie sheet. Then I sprinkle the sesame seeds, which add a lot to the >texture of the cheese snacks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:45:07 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: cheese snacks (crackers) recipe again Message-ID: <19971008024507.1119.qmail@hotmail.com> Here is the cheese snack (crackers) recipe again. Joan, thanks for the tip to use NO OIL; I'll try that! -- Mary > >--------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > >I have a cheese snack recipe that works with almond flour, that two >regular eaters asked me for -- it's good, though a little greasy. I >picked up a tip from this list already, to add less oil when using >almond flour, and I will try that next time. Here is the recipe with its >full oil allotment: > >Cheese snacks 350 degrees for 15 minutes > >1/4 pound shredded cheddar cheese >1 cup almond flour >1/2 teaspoon salt >1/4 teaspoon sage (or fresh sage) >1/4 teaspoon thyme (or fresh thyme) >1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper (really makes it good) >1/4 cup vegetable oil (you may try reducing this) >3 tbsp. cold water >coarse salt, sesame seeds or poppy seeds > >Add flour, salt, sage, thyme and cayenne pepper to cheese. Mix. > >Add oil and water to cheese mixture. Mix. Form into a ball and >refrigerate until firm, about 15 minutes. > >(Roll dough on a lightly powdered smooth flat surface. Sprinkle with >your choice of salt or seeds, and lightly roll in.)* > >Cut into one 1/2 inch squares and place on cookie sheet. Bake 15 >minutes at 350 degrees. Cool. Makes two dozen crackers. >--------------------------------------------------- ------------------- >*I put this in parentheses, because although it's a good idea, it makes >for much more stuff to clean up, and it's not essential. I've taken to >just forming small squares and going directly from the bowl to the >cookie sheet. Then I sprinkle the sesame seeds, which add a lot to the >texture of the cheese snacks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurt starter Message-ID: <971007231237_-2030366612@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hi Ellen - can you tell me the ingredients on the yogurtmet yogurt starter? thanx - Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: allergies Message-ID: <971007231543_124843119@emout11.mail.aol.com> Dear Steve - as far as i'm concerned EVERYTHING is a result of a gut problem. clean gut, clean body. clean body = no sickness. what we take in thru this very tract is the outcome of health or sickness. sounds like the SCD is proving it to you. as far as allergies, they are only the result of an immune system breakdown. a symptom. fix the gut, the allergies will go away. it would probably BE a good idea to remove anything he is allergic to, to take the load off but in the end, the allergies will be gone. it's definitely a process though. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:19:50 -0400 From: Laurie Myhre-Choate <Laurie_Myhre_Choate@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Raw Egg Message-ID: <199710072320_MC2-2329-B70C@compuserve.com> I saw on a food show if you heat up the raw egg over boiling water it wil= l kill the salmonella and you will still have raw egg. Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: pecan flour Message-ID: <971007231152_-1328500626@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hi Prateeksha - on the pecan flour - is this more expensive or less than almond flour? i dont recall it mentioned in elaines book but guess it must be. also, on the 36 hour fermentation - what does 12 more hours accomplish? i am new at this. thanx - Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:06:01 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Fw: Startup Diet and blind dates Message-ID: <01bcd3a7$df301240$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 6:53 PM Subject: Startup Diet > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Howdie, > >I was just thinking about the startup diet. Is it possible to have >positive results on the SCD without going through the startup diet? I'm >thinking this is a period of initial healing and cleansing and without it, >you're just not going to have same results if you just start off with >eating beans, all kinds of vegetables and nuts. > >What do you think? > >Bill >miller@bedford.net >Bill I did as well. But I had just had a colonoscopy and was clean as a whistle. The first thing I sent down to the colon was a cup of yorgurt, and made sure to use more of it than I normally would for the first few weeks. Also wondering Bill, what are odds if you where on a blind date only to find your date had Ulcerative Colitis? ..... Well it could happen. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:00:04 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Rookie Message-ID: <343B9FF4.D4B@snet.net> I'm a 44 yr.old male w/ a 20 year history CD. With the exception of one major flare-up 10 years ago, my symptoms were mild-modearte. I did not take meds or have I had surgery. I've known about the SCD for some years now but only now am i willing to give it a firm chance(having some flaring of late). I have been on the diet now for 10 days w/ mild improvement. HOWEVER, by using the book FOOD and the gut reaction, by E. Gottshall, I began to categorize food into two camps, the ALLOWED and the FORBIDDEN. Now after reading the "stuff " in this web site, I realize there may be a better way of STARTING out, that is, avoiding certain foods initially and maybe even adding certain foods. I have yet to eat the homemade yogurt, as I am ignorant of the best way to go about it. Also have been eating fruits and veggies and nut breads. IN SHORT, I need help especially in this initail crucial period, where probably many people "fall away" Please...I welcome all advice. In gratitude , jeff g. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yogurt starter Message-ID: <971008095052_626344396@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-07 23:13:32 EDT, you write: << can you tell me the ingredients on the yogurtmet yogurt starter? >> No, but odds are that someone can. I'm not at my home these days. I'm staying with a friend who just had surgery. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:52:20 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: pecan flour Message-ID: <343B9013.3933BB5A@bedford.net> SHADOWPUP@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Prateeksha - > > on the pecan flour - is this more expensive or less than almond flour? > i dont > recall it mentioned in elaines book but guess it must be. also, on the > 36 > hour fermentation - what does 12 more hours accomplish? i am new at > this. > > thanx - > Joan I like using pecan flour. I get it for $1.59 a pound from a local store. Actually, I've never tried using almond flour, so I can't make any comparisons as to the two flour's usages. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Fwd: immune system Message-ID: <971008100132_1588259050@emout20.mail.aol.com> --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: immune system Date: 97-10-08 10:01:32 EDT From: SHADOWPUP To: intest_health@listserv.azstarnet.com John could not have tied it together more nicely when he talked about bowel disorders putting a drain on the immune system. you guys have to remember the friendly bacteria IS the immune system of the g.i. tract and your PRIMARY immune system at that. once the primary immune system is breached, autoimmune problems can occur. leaves you open. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fw: Startup Diet and blind dates Message-ID: <971008100540_1464264528@emout04.mail.aol.com> I didn't actually go through the start up diet. I started somewhere in the middle and have had great benefits from the diet (over a month now). I believe the start up diet is for stopping the D. This was not a major symptom of mine. The way I started the diet was to consume only SCD legal foods that were foods that I had already been eating on my low fiber diet. This was a broader range of foods than the startup diet, yet were foods I was comfortable that I wouldn't have a bad reaction to. I didn't add new foods to my diet until after the inflammation and pain went away and even then I am still pretty careful. For example, I eat apples but only peeled and cooked--not raw. In time, I plan to gradually add more foods and ways of preparing foods--staying within the bounds of the SCD. I am also getting an ELISA test (scheduled for the 17th). This should tell me which foods I have an immune response to. My plan is to use this information to augment what I've learned on the SCD. I'm expecting that I will test positive for some of the foods that I have eliminated since being on the SCD because my response to the diet was so dramatic and immediate (I think it would take longer to respond to the change of bacteria in the gut). I'm curious which foods I've already eliminated that I'll test positive for because I'll never eat them again no matter what. I also want to know if there are SCD-legal foods that I test positive for as I will eliminate those as well. While I don't plan to go off the SCD anytime soon, I think the insights will be beneficial. If I decide to add some non-SCD foods in the long term future, I can ensure that they are not foods that I have an immune response to. (NB I will have to get retested in the future if I am considering adding foods though. The results of this test can change over time as we age. From what I've heard, getting tested every year or two is a good idea.) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:18:40 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Rookie Message-ID: <l03010d00b0615445a8bc@[206.112.46.23]> Dear Jeff, The following is how I make my yogurt. It may seem cumbersome at first, but after 2 & 1/2 years it has become 2nd nature and I think I could make it in my sleep. Yogurt 3 quarts of 1/2 & 1/2 1 & 1/2 cups plain store bought yogurt (1/2 cup to each quart of 1/2 & 1/2) Bring 1/2 & 1/2 to simmer (small bubbles around edge) Take off burner and let cool to complete room temperature, cool better than even slightly warm. You can refrigerate to help cool. If you don't refrigerate, it takes at least 6 hours to get the right temp. Then in a seperate bowl, place plain yogurt and slowly add 1/2 & 1/2 (I use wisk). When this solution is thin, add back slowly (wisking) in pot of 1/2 & 1/2. Place pot (covered) into oven with a 60 watt light bulb on. Keep thermometer in oven and maintain 100 to 110 degrees. If oven becomes warm, use a pen to prop open the door just a bit. Once you've done it a few times you'll get a feel for how your oven best maintains this temperature. Good Luck, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:54:04 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: pecan flour Message-ID: <343B9E8B.D73FE412@emory.edu> Pecan Flour is alot cheaper, but more difficult to cook with, as it is "oilier" than the blanched, crisp almonds, which, when ground, more closely resembles regular flour. I switched to almond flour, even though it is extremely EXPENSIVE. If you are on a strict budget, but want something "bready", the pecan meal will help you get through. It tastes good, too! I wish I could eat cheap wheat flour and rice, but, since I can't I "get even" by spending all this money on almond meal. I'm not happy about it, but I'm healthy, and that's what counts! Bill Miller wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > SHADOWPUP@aol.com wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Prateeksha - > > > > on the pecan flour - is this more expensive or less than almond > flour? > > i dont > > recall it mentioned in elaines book but guess it must be. also, on > the > > 36 > > hour fermentation - what does 12 more hours accomplish? i am new at > > this. > > > > thanx - > > Joan > > I like using pecan flour. I get it for $1.59 a pound from a local > store. Actually, I've never tried using almond flour, so I can't > make > any comparisons as to the two flour's usages. > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:35:52 -0700 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: [Fwd: (no subject)] Message-ID: <343BD288.779F@plinet.com> Message-ID: <343BC723.3BFD@plinet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:47:15 -0700 From: "lGene M. Justman" <genemash@plinet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCD-request@longisland.com Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wed.Oct. 8 From:genemash@plinet.com To:SCD-request@longisland.com Two subjects today, Has anybody used a coffee grinder to use for grinding almonds? and if so can you recomend a brand. Also for those of you who are looking for something to replace chips and crackers and the like try eating pork skins, there crunchy and they fit all the requirements of the died. By for now Gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:19:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Rookie Message-ID: <199710081719.MAA09194@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi Rachel, Below you say there should be 1/2 cup yogurt for each QUART 1/2 and 1/2. Elaine's French Cream recipe calls for 1/2 cup yogurt for each 2 cups of cream or 1/2 and 1/2. That's twice as much as yours calls for. Do you think the difference in amount of yogurt matters? Regards/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Wed Oct 8 09:17 CDT 1997 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:18:40 -0500 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> > Subject: Re: Rookie > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Content-Length: 1159 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Jeff, > The following is how I make my yogurt. It may seem cumbersome at first, but > after 2 & 1/2 years it has become 2nd nature and I think I could make it in > my sleep. > Yogurt > > 3 quarts of 1/2 & 1/2 > 1 & 1/2 cups plain store bought yogurt (1/2 cup to each quart of 1/2 & 1/2) > > Bring 1/2 & 1/2 to simmer (small bubbles around edge) > Take off burner and let cool to complete room temperature, cool better than > even slightly warm. You can refrigerate to help cool. If you don't > refrigerate, it takes at least 6 hours to get the right temp. > > Then in a seperate bowl, place plain yogurt and slowly add 1/2 & 1/2 (I use > wisk). When this solution is thin, add back slowly (wisking) in pot of 1/2 > & 1/2. > > Place pot (covered) into oven with a 60 watt light bulb on. Keep > thermometer in oven and maintain 100 to 110 degrees. If oven becomes warm, > use a pen to prop open the door just a bit. Once you've done it a few times > you'll get a feel for how your oven best maintains this temperature. > Good Luck, > Rachel > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:35:25 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: To the Yoghurt Yogis Message-ID: <343BC45D.3D0@emory.edu> Can anyone answer this seemingly logical question: When making yoghurt, is it possible to use too much starter yoghurt? I mean, since you will be cooking the formula for at least 24 hours, won't any residual lactose from the starter yoghurt get consumed/neutralized? For this reason, if true, when making french cream or yoghurt with half and half, I am inclined to go with too much rather than too little starter yoghurt. Does anyone concur with this theory? PS If this is an "old" issue, I apologise, as I've deleted most yoghurt messages without ever reading them.....(there's so many!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:21:28 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: (no subject)] Message-ID: <971008143304_1598508498@emout11.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-08 12:23:15 EDT, you write: << Has anybody used a coffee grinder to use for grinding almonds? and if so can you recomend a brand. >> I used a Krups coffee mill and it worked well. The flour is not as fine as that you can buy from Houghsons though. Muffins made with the home ground flour had a texture that made you realize there were ground nuts in the mix. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 15:43:29 -0400 From: Renee Zobkiw <rz@triplesoft.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: SCD and periods Message-ID: <1335796628-4800314@mailhost.triplesoft.com> This question goes out to the women on the list (no offense meant to the guys), Have any of you missed your periods during your first 6 months or so on the diet? I've missed mine for two months now. After an appt with my ob/gyn, she thinks it could be a result of my dietary changes. Has this happened to any of you? If so, how long before they eventually kicked back in? Please feel free to email me directly at rz@triplesoft.com Thanks, <renee> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and periods Message-ID: <971008161628_-1864930336@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-08 15:43:14 EDT, you write: << Have any of you missed your periods during your first 6 months or so on the diet? >> I've been on the diet a little over a month now. My period showed up, per usual, but was a lot less painful than it had been. I saw it as an unexpected perk of the diet. Ever since I got crohns, my period would make the crohns flare (and fibromyalgia) and so I'd be really ill, in pain, and at home for a few days each time. This time was a breeze! So, from my experience, the crohns affected my periods, SCD affected my crohns and therefore indirectly affected my periods. Could it cause them to stop? I don't know. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Rookie Message-ID: <971008184658_762213334@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-08 08:01:57 EDT, you write: << using the book FOOD and the gut reaction, by E. Gottshall, I began to categorize food into two camps, the ALLOWED and the FORBIDDEN. Now after reading the "stuff " in this web site, I realize there may be a better way of STARTING out, that is, avoiding certain foods initially and maybe even adding certain foods. >> There is a more recent version of Elaine Gottshall's book called "Breaking the Vicious Cycle". I believe that one of the differences between the two is that the newer book talks more about the start up phase. Perhaps others know more about the differences between the two books. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:50:24 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Rookie Message-ID: <343C4670.5473@snet.net> Rachel, thanks for getting back to me so swiftly. I'll let you know if I'll be changing my name to Dannon. jeff ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #63 **********************
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