SCD-list September 1997 SCD-list Sun, 28 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 53 In this issue: Re: Health Update Re: Brain fog Re: Test Message -- IMPORTANT Jesemeana Re: Latest update Re: Latest update Re: nut flour Institut fur Mikrookologie any good? Re: CCFA support for SCD Re: Some very dairy questions breath hydrogen test -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:19:21 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Health Update Message-ID: <l03010d02b053604265b2@[199.171.4.132]> Dear Denise, Hurray for you. I couldn't be happier to hear your great news.Although I have been UC symptom free for over 2 years you've got me beat on the fibromyalgia. I still suffer with it. Strange isn't it, how this thing works. Well for now I'll be gratefull for the UC releif & hope that some day, my spondylitis and fibromyaligia follow suit. Best wishes, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: RosaKuhn@aol.com To: stellar1@pacbell.net, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Brain fog Message-ID: <970927211228_1697909981@emout13.mail.aol.com> I feel this way almost all of the time. I am not sure if it is from the medicines--Asacol, 6MP--or the diet because I can't even remember when I didn't feel this way. My body feels strong but my brain seems to be totally disconnected from the rest of me. It's driving me nuts! Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:56:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jmrsy@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Test Message -- IMPORTANT Message-ID: <970927215648_1619609447@emout20.mail.aol.com> I received the message jmrsy@aol.com thank you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:00:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jmrsy@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Jesemeana Message-ID: <970927220018_1890254697@emout04.mail.aol.com> Jesemeana, How gradually did your Dr. take you off Asacol? Was it just drop it overnight or very gradually? Jon is attempting to come off after over a year on the diet. Your success is encouraging, but please give us more details. Sharon jmrsy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:16:42 -0500 From: Cheryl Crabill <ccrabill@worldnet.att.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Latest update Message-ID: <342E66CA.5FCF@worldnet.att.net> Rosset wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Cheryl, > Did you taper off the Pentasa slowly? Yes, I did. I was even completely perfect for 3 months after I had stopped taking the Pentasa. It all started after I ate out on Father's day. I may have mistakenly had something I shouldn't have. Things were bad for a week and then got better. I was convinced that everything would be fine then..until another week had passed and I had yet another bad week. After things returned back to normal I was still convinced that everything would be fine until a few weeks later. It was then I started taking the Pentasa again. Things got better again and then I ran out of Pentasa because they couldn't get any more in over the weekend..things were fine over the weekend, so I decided I didn't need to take the Pentasa anymore. Things were great for about 2 weeks and then the flare-monster raised it's ugly head again. This is where I'm at now. So I'm guessing that my body is in need of taking the Pentasa to get over this and then to maintain health, I'm not going to get so cocky and stay on it for quite a while. I was 11 months into the diet when I first stopped taking the Pentasa. It's so discouraging..I can't tell you. Everything was going great. Cheryl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:33:29 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Latest update Message-ID: <l03010d00b05427fc48af@[199.171.4.132]> > >It's so discouraging..I can't tell you. Everything was going great. > >Cheryl Dear Cheryl, Have faith, everything will go great again. Experience has shown you that the diet works, so this is just a down time you have to get past, and you will. Meanwhile please try to keep your focus positive. I beleive that this is key to your recovery. I know I can come across pollyanna sometimes, but we both know that emotions can affect the progress of this disease....in either direction. Be strong and stay positive. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:34:00 -0600 From: "R. Allan Partridge" <raparch@planet.eon.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: nut flour Message-ID: <342E78E8.208C@planet.eon.net> T G wrote: > Did you actually ever order nut flour from Hughson, and if you did what > is the difference in price from the place you order from now? Do you > think that the nut wholesaler you have found in Alberta would ship to > Ontario? > > Thanks, > Tina Tina, We know of a wholesaler in Edmonton, Alberta. We would like to compare it to Hughson's for texture, quality, etc. Do you or anybody know of the address/phone to contact them? Regards Partridge's ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:07:46 PDT From: "Kurt Jensen" <kurt_j@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Institut fur Mikrookologie any good? Message-ID: <19970928160746.16768.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, In my search for alternative therapies that might complement the SCD, I ran into a German "Institut f¸r Mikro–kologie" in Herborn. They analyze your stool and based on an analysis of the bacteria and fungus(?) recommend a therapie consisting of: 1) Various "symbioflor" capsules with bacteria. 2) Autovaccine The Autovaccine is based on your own stool and is supposed to work on the Mucosa-immunesystem(?). Now have any of you heard anything good or bad about these guys? Or about that type of therapy? It seems very serious, but I can't figure out if it really is. - Kurt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:13:14 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA support for SCD Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970928091314.006d2734@smartt.com> Hi, Rachel: (You live in Seattle, right?) I'm just going through my 600-e-mail backlog, was off-line 2 months while in hospital for temporary hip replacement PLUS they threw in a bowel operation "free"! ;-) I have to go back in a few weeks for a "permanent" artifical hip, and they hopefully by spring next year I'll finally get a life again! I noted with great interest that YOU TOO have both AS AND UC ... I'm 42, and have had both since about age 10. So "welcome" to the special world of spondies-and-colitics! See you, Dietmar ~~~~~` At 05:33 PM 9/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Ted, >I admire your "take action" attitude. I would be happy to follow your lead. >Please advise me where to send letters. As for the auto-immune connection, >I have spondylitis, UC and fibromyalia, all considered auto immune. We are >2 sisters (I'm the oldest) & 2 brothers. One brother has severe scoriatic >arthritis (supposedly, scoriacis is the skins form of arthritis) and my >sister has rhuematoid arthritis. These are also considered auto immune. >Thank the powers that be, my baby brother is disease free. >Rachel > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:36:59 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Some very dairy questions Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970928093659.006d3e08@smartt.com> At 11:07 AM 9/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Good morning all, > >A couple of questions which I'd appreciate help with: > >1) How long can the homemade yoghurt stay fresh in the > refrigerator once it's been "cooked"? More than a > couple of days? We've made "tons" of homemade yoghurt (we now ferment it more like 36 hours instead of just 24), and it stays hale & hearty in the fridge for at least a month, so NO WORRIES! Dietmar ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:12:05 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: breath hydrogen test Message-ID: <199709281805.LAA19296@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> I just thought i'd pass this along in case it is of interest to anyone: The other day, I was doing some work in the office of a pediatric GI Dr./researcher/proffesor at UCSF. As I repaired his machine we had an interesting conversation. It all started when I told him of my son's condition (CD) and the fact that he is a patient in the pedi. GI clinic there. When I told him about the diet we were on he was very interested to find out more. He has been in the field for a long time and seemed to remember the Dr's Haas (if only by name). when I explained the theory behind the diet to him, he did not proceed to find fault with it, in fact, it seemed to make a great deal of sense to him. He then told me of something that had been developed there at UC which might prove or disprove the idea of an overgrowth of bacteria/yeast. It seems that the human body does not produce hydrogen, atleast not on it's own. The only source of H in the body is as the byproduct of microbial digestion of carbohydrates. This hydrogen is measurable in the breath. His suggestion was that you could measure breath H before and after ingestion of carbohydrates after first abstaining from them for a while, and then compare the two levels to see if there had been an increase. I explained to him that, since ridgid compliance with the diet was necessary, it would be counter-productive to undertake a test which required one to go against the restrictions of the SCD. However, I thought it was interesting enough to pass along. Health, Steve ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #53 ********************** SCD-list Mon, 29 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 54 In this issue: fried bread New Drug to Come on Mkt. Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Re: Health Update From Denise Re: fried bread Re: Emotions affecting progress/ disease opinions on supplements Intro & general questions. Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Fw: The book -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: fried bread Message-ID: <970929105024_2065095533@emout04.mail.aol.com> has anyone tried taking Lois Langs bread and frying it and salting? after the bread is made and refrigerated, cut it in pieces like french fries, then fry and salt. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:09:38 -0400 From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Message-ID: <85256521.00523EB2.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com> Hi Everyone!!!! I heard something very interesting and thought I would pass it along. My brother, a dermatologist, has a patient who's daughter works for a pharmeceutical company in Carlsbad, California by the name of ISIS Inc. He told me that this company is in stage 3 testing of a new drug for Crohn's and related conditions. The comany plans to go for FDA approval in the spring '98. They are proclaiming that this is going to be a wonder drug for all. At any rate, I found the company on the web under the name ISIP and found some interesting news about the drug. They are currently seeking people to participate in the study. Although, this has nothing to do with the SCD, I nonetheless thought it would be of interest to someone, because we need to consider any and all options available to us. What may work for some may not work for others. To Good Health!!!!!! Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:16:34 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Message-ID: <342FE271.13450D26@emory.edu> Here's their website:http://www.isip.com/antisens.htm I think they'de need to inject the stuff into the affected organ (colon, I guess) for it to work. It's supposed to alter the genetics or something like that. Seems somewhat promising! Imaging getting a shot, and then after a short healing time, being all better! Lynn Karakashian wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Everyone!!!! > > I heard something very interesting and thought I would pass it along. > > My brother, a dermatologist, has a patient who's daughter works for a > pharmeceutical company in Carlsbad, California by the name of ISIS > Inc. He > told me that this company is in stage 3 testing of a new drug for > Crohn's > and related conditions. The comany plans to go for FDA approval in > the > spring '98. They are proclaiming that this is going to be a wonder > drug > for all. > > At any rate, I found the company on the web under the name ISIP and > found > some interesting news about the drug. They are currently seeking > people to > participate in the study. > > Although, this has nothing to do with the SCD, I nonetheless thought > it > would be of interest to someone, because we need to consider any and > all > options available to us. What may work for some may not work for > others. > > To Good Health!!!!!! > > Lynn ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Health Update From Denise Message-ID: <v01550100b0552adbe23d@[206.40.74.36]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi Denise, I was so interested in your comments, particularly, about the amoebas. I got amoebas while in India, and the different medical people I approached about my symptoms, were unable to find them so I had them for several years, with the diarrhea, bloating, cramping going on all this time...I was told I wasn't absorbing fat, but that I didnd't have amoebas...then I returned to the US and had tests; they didn't find them either; more tests two years later, and they found them! Entamoeba histolytica cysts and trophozoites. Flagyl and Iodoquinal were prescribed for 7-10 days only and that was all I was told to take to treat these varmints. I have never gotten rid of the symptoms and now my symptoms have escalated. Since being on the diet, I have also started with two herbs to treat "amoebas" since my wholistic practitioner maintains there is no way I could have gotten rid of the amoebas even though the several stool tests I have taken since taking the flagyl and iodoquinal have shown negative for amoebas. The herbs are Parex (take 6 weeks) and Nature's Biotics, (indefinitely.) These supposedly kill the amoebas (if they are indeed still there lurking in my intestines) and restore the balance of healthy bacteria in my intestines. Like you, I have had the loose stool and lowered vitality and am noticing that my energy is coming up remarkably since taking these herbs! Although I still have the loose stool at this time. What is Yodoxin (an anti-protozoal drug)? Any other comments about your treatment would be appreciated. Thanks, Prateeksha > >I just wanted to write in to say that at the end of being on the diet >for 8 months, I am now symptom free. I also have been able to begin >eating dairy again, which I wasn't able to for quite awhile. I have >followed the diet fanatically. In August I had an upserge in health >after doing a 20 day course of an anti-protozoal drug (Yodoxin) after a >test showed that I was infected with an amoeba (and probably had been >for the last seven years). Since doing the drug, the last remaining >symptoms I had that I was unable to shake, loose stool and lowered >vitality, went away. I can't believe how healthy I feel now. As a side >point, my fibromyalgia symptoms are virtually gone now too. > >So, I remain on the diet, faithfully, and will continue to stay on it >for another year. I just wanted to write in and tell everyone, because >I used to be really sick and weak and I never thought I would ever get >my health back. So, everyone, hang in there. > >Denise ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: fried bread Message-ID: <v01550102b055318873bb@[206.40.74.36]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >has anyone tried taking Lois Langs bread and frying it and salting? after the >bread is made and refrigerated, cut it in pieces like french fries, then fry >and salt. > >Joan Hey Joan, I noticed in Elaine's comments, that she suggested putting slices of this bread in the oven and heating, until it turns to "cracker" consistency. I haven't baked the bread yet, but notice I really yearn for "crunchy" food which I always have preferred to soft sweets. Prateeksha ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Emotions affecting progress/ disease Message-ID: <v01550101b0552f3be95f@[206.40.74.36]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Cheryl and Rachel, I totally agree with you Rachel, about the emotions affecting progress of my disease. Last week, I started a "Anger Journal" which I write in when I first get up; then I tear out the page(s) and burn it over my toilet and flush it down the toilet...feels wonderful. I am noticing a lot of anger coming up around my illness! And when I "process" it on paper, and "flush it down the toilet", there is something very symbolic about this in connection with the diarrhea, for me. It feels like the diarrhea is my anger! I have been feeling more "space" inside me and "lighter" since I started this last week. Just wanted to share this with you in hopes that maybe it will work for someone else. Prateeksha. >> >>It's so discouraging..I can't tell you. Everything was going great. >> >>Cheryl > >Dear Cheryl, >Have faith, everything will go great again. Experience has shown you that >the diet works, so this is just a down time you have to get past, and you >will. Meanwhile please try to keep your focus positive. I beleive that this >is key to your recovery. I know I can come across pollyanna sometimes, but >we both know that emotions can affect the progress of this disease....in >either direction. >Be strong and stay positive. >Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: HEBERT2@aol.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: opinions on supplements Message-ID: <970929111159_-793656296@emout05.mail.aol.com> Hi, Does anyone out there know anything about or have you consulted with a Canadian nutritionist in Torono named Carola Barczak?? Anyone know about a supplemnt co. called Vitamost, allegedly started by a David Rowlands who alledgedly has Crohns? I am thinking abt follwg their program of supplmts which Carola says is vy import. on the SCD diet. Comments??? thx Hebert2@aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:38:37 -0400 From: James Paterson <jamespaterson1@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@lon" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Intro & general questions. Message-ID: <199709291739_MC2-223A-3734@compuserve.com> Hi my name is Jim Paterson I'm 31 years old, I come from Scotland, three weeks ago I was taken into = hospital Due to rapid weight loss, blood loss and an abscess, after draining this and some tests I was = diagnosed as having Crohn's. Up to this point I had never heard of Crohn's, I am going to see a specialist tomorrow who will = hopefully give me some answers, as my doctor has been vague up to now telling me that the specialist = will explain everything. I have been trying to find out as much as I can from the net, this is how I = found this List server, I was wondering if anyone can tell me where to download a copy of the diet? = also if anyone knows of any other web sites or list servers dedicated to Crohn's? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:51:56 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Message-ID: <970929175016_1754502133@emout19.mail.aol.com> Dear Lynn, I viewed your posted E-mail about the new Crohn's drug from a company you called 'ISIS Inc'. I tried to locate information about it on the net, but couldn't find any info about the conmpany or the drug. Can you be a little more specific about this drug and the company manufacturing it? I am very curious. Thank you in advance, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:03:49 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: "SCD-list" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Fw: The book Message-ID: <199709292208.PAA24953@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear Jim, Here is some information on how to get the book. Lucy ---------- > From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: The book > Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 5:44 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear all, > I spoke to Elaine yesterday and she wanted me to pass on the following > information. It seems that there is a temorary problem with distribution of > her book in te USA. Until it is resolved, her book can be purchased by > either contacting me or through the following phone # 1-800-332-3663. > Although I haven't heard from him recently, I beleive that John Chalmers > also has copies of her book available to sell. > Rachel > ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #54 ********************** SCD-list Tue, 30 Sep 1997 Volume 1 : Number 55 In this issue: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. parex Re: parex Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. The cause of CD!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Message-ID: <970929200201_-1597051614@emout04.mail.aol.com> Dear Lynn, I read your posted E-mail on the new drug tested to treat/cure crohn's. I searched the net to find information on ISIS Inc., the manufacturerer(?), but nothing showed up. Can you offer more information on this topic? I am VERY curious and interested. Thank you in advance, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:51:25 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Message-ID: <3430E7BC.5EEC9EC5@emory.edu> Here's their website: http://www.isip.com/antisens.htm PI5DA@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Lynn, > > I read your posted E-mail on the new drug tested to treat/cure > crohn's. I > searched the net to find information on ISIS Inc., the > manufacturerer(?), but > nothing showed up. Can you offer more information on this topic? I > am VERY > curious and interested. > > Thank you in advance, > > Simone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: parex Message-ID: <970930110019_1720377567@emout17.mail.aol.com> hey Prateeksha - no, i missed where elaine suggested toasting the bread in the oven. didnt see in the book - maybe was talked about on the list serve sometime. the one area i am failing in is just this - i need something crunchy. the fried carrotts are EXCELLENT and i do enjoy except i dont have time to sit and grate carrotts to make enough for the week (like going to the store and buying a bag of chips). if anyone has any suggestions on something crunchy it would be great. but looking at the list of vegetables, there arent any i can come up with that would end up crunchy besides the carrotts. also, is parex a drug or a natural product? if it is a natural product, who is the manufacturer and where do you order? natures biotics doesnt kill parasites - they are soil based organisms made up of friendly bacteria. they are also transients, meaning they do not stay in the body. somewhere down the road, you will have to reimplant with friendly bacteria - acidopholis and bifidus. these are the two major strains that are in a normal system. this is what is ultimately needed to rebuild. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:20:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: parex Message-ID: <199709301520.KAA15378@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> How about eating nuts to satisfy the crunchies? > no, i missed where elaine suggested toasting the bread in the oven. didnt see > in the book - maybe was talked about on the list serve sometime. the one area > i am failing in is just this - i need something crunchy. the fried carrotts > are EXCELLENT and i do enjoy except i dont have time to sit and grate > carrotts to make enough for the week (like going to the store and buying a > bag of chips). if anyone has any suggestions on something crunchy it would be > great. but looking at the list of vegetables, there arent any i can come up > with that would end up crunchy besides the carrotts. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:11:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. Message-ID: <199709301611.LAA15415@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Try this web-site - it's got specifics about Crohns: http://www.isip.com/inflamma.htm Bye/Liz > From SCD-request@longisland.com Tue Sep 30 06:49 CDT 1997 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:51:25 -0400 > From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: New Drug to Come on Mkt. > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=us-ascii> > Content-Length: 715 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Here's their website: > http://www.isip.com/antisens.htm > > PI5DA@aol.com wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SCD MAILING LIST > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Lynn, > > > > I read your posted E-mail on the new drug tested to treat/cure > > crohn's. I > > searched the net to find information on ISIS Inc., the > > manufacturerer(?), but > > nothing showed up. Can you offer more information on this topic? I > > am VERY > > curious and interested. > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > Simone > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:46:41 +0200 From: Odd Oivind Bergstad <oddb@stovner.vgs.no> To: ibdlist@menno.com Cc: SCD@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU, SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: The cause of CD!! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970930224641.0067c1e8@vgs.sn.no> The cause of CD! For several months I have been written on this mail which I send to everybody out there looking for some way to get back to a normal life and any doctor thinking twice. When I was sendt to hospital in april 1993, I made two commitments to myself. 1. Establish a support group for CD. 2. Find the cause of CD. Now, the first point was soon achieved, but find a solution to the other..! But after researching and listening to speeches I reached a hypotese: Hypotese 1: The cause of Crohns Disease is a Cromium Deficiensy. Now back to 1993. My first idea was that CD simply was food intolerance. Many trials show a notorious link between CD and allergy. But when I learned more abouth Candida Albicans and how CD would manifest so different in individuals, I began to think twice. Listening to a speech held by Dr. Halstensen february 1997 became a breakthrough for my wiews upon both UC and CD. He showed that CD did not manifest itself in the gut at all! Is was in fact situated in the blood wessels near by the gut wall. He showed that CD was an immune reaction in the blood wall leading to an immune complex blocking the bloodstream. Then this would lead to cell death close to the wessel and in the end into the gut, creating a kind of spot. Or worse a deep hole in the wall gut. This shows clearly that CD cannot solely be considered as an inflammation in the gut! To question remains: 1. What causes this inflammation in the blood wessels? 2. Why does this happen so close to the gut wall? Some of the answers I have found in the books to Sharon A. Rogers. Now Sharon is working with enviromental medicine. She started looking at how formaldehyd, pesticides and pollution creates diseases in persons. This work led to studies of how mineral deficiencies could mimic symptoms from toxides. In the book: "Tired or Toxic?" she wrote about how a Cromium deficiency would influence on - you may have guessed it - the blood wessel walls! Now, one of the problems for the body is to get rid of so called free radicals. This is molecyles which have one electron to much. I can react with every cell in the body, thereby destroying parts of the cell, like the DNA. Any minute a free radical can be able make a hole in the blood wessel wall. No problem, the body will repair it. But with what? You guessed it again: Cromium!! But what happens if there is nothing left to use? Then the body uses whatever sutable, like cholestrol or Calsium coming from excess use of supplement of this mineral that we get so much of from food anyway! This leads to a hardening of the wessel wall. It may be inflamed. But why mostly inflammation near the gut? First I thought that someting like foodstuff or acetaldehyde could create this wessel wass inflammation. But why could mercury leaking out of the teeth not lead to CD in the mouth but more distance in ileum for instance? Then I suddenly got an idea! (When I was asleep, of course..) Whenever there is an inflammation in the gut, macrofages will be busy eating enemies. This is done by releasing excess amounts of free radicals. So, this is the solution! The area around he inflamed gut will have a high consentration of free radicals leading to holes in the blood wessel walls. Hypotese 2: CD is a double inflammation, one int the gut and one in the blood wessel walls near by the gut. The cause of the inflammation in the gut is highly individual. The inflammation in the blood wessel wall is created by excess freee radicals from the inflammtion in the gut and too little Cromium left to repair the wessel walls. If this hypotesis is right there are three mesuares that POSSIBLE CAN cure CD: 1. Supplement of Cromium. 2. High doses of antioxodants to stop free radicals. 3. Diet to stop the inflammetion in the gut. Odd Oivind oddb@stovner.vgs.no ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #55 ********************** SCD-list Wed, 1 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 56 In this issue: Re: Test Message -- IMPORTANT Re:Joan Crunchy! Re: The cause of CD!! Re: The cause of CD!! nuts chromium/cd Re: nuts Yuca bread Re: Chromium and Lipoic Acid Can limited SCD work? Re: parex & crunchy food Re: Can limited SCD work? Re: Can limited SCD work? -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:15:16 EDT From: thesmiths5@juno.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Test Message -- IMPORTANT Message-ID: <19970930.201040.5135.0.Thesmiths5@juno.com> I did receive your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jmrsy@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re:Joan Crunchy! Message-ID: <970930214809_1496926014@emout15.mail.aol.com> Dear Joan, Cheese chips have satisfied the crunchy tooth around this house. Have you ever made a toasted cheese sandwich on a skillet or griddle and had some of the cheese run out and down onto the hot surface? Having this happen to me gave me the idea to try making cheese chips. It works great. I use grated Colby or Longhorn cheese and place a thin layer on a griddle over low heat. The cheese will melt and gradually brown. When one side is brown, flip the cheese (like a pancake) and brown the other side. You can make bite size chips, or one enormous chip which you then break up into bite size pieces. These are great to eat with Taco salad, a bowl of soup or salsa, or just plain for munchies. Hope you will enjoy them as much as we have. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:42:44 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: The cause of CD!! Message-ID: <34324543.FEAEC2CF@emory.edu> What's chromium? You mean the hard, metallic element used in nickel and copper alloys? Should we eat our coins? I don't get it.. where and how do we ingest chromiuim? With the free-radicals, does anyone know what are the best sources of free radicals? I've heard carrots, tomatoes are good, and carcinogens (overcooked meat, ccigarettes) are bad. Very interesting, but Odd...... Odd Oivind Bergstad wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > The cause of CD! > > For several months I have been written on this mail which I send to > everybody out there looking for some way to get back to a normal life > and > any doctor thinking twice. > > When I was sendt to hospital in april 1993, I made two commitments to > myself. > > 1. Establish a support group for CD. > 2. Find the cause of CD. > > Now, the first point was soon achieved, but find a solution to the > other..! > But after researching and listening to speeches I reached a hypotese: > > Hypotese 1: > > The cause of Crohns Disease is a Cromium Deficiensy. > > Now back to 1993. My first idea was that CD simply was food > intolerance. > Many trials show a notorious link between CD and allergy. But when I > learned > more abouth Candida Albicans and how CD would manifest so different in > > individuals, I began to think twice. > > Listening to a speech held by Dr. Halstensen february 1997 became a > breakthrough for my wiews upon both UC and CD. He showed that CD did > not > manifest itself in the gut at all! Is was in fact situated in the > blood > wessels near by the gut wall. He showed that CD was an immune reaction > in > the blood wall leading to an immune complex blocking the bloodstream. > Then > this would lead to cell death close to the wessel and in the end into > the > gut, creating a kind of spot. Or worse a deep hole in the wall gut. > This > shows clearly that CD cannot solely be considered as an inflammation > in the gut! > > To question remains: > > 1. What causes this inflammation in the blood wessels? > 2. Why does this happen so close to the gut wall? > > Some of the answers I have found in the books to Sharon A. Rogers. Now > > Sharon is working with enviromental medicine. She started looking at > how > formaldehyd, pesticides and pollution creates diseases in persons. > This work > led to studies of how mineral deficiencies could mimic symptoms from > toxides. In the book: "Tired or Toxic?" she wrote about how a Cromium > deficiency would influence on - you may have guessed it - the blood > wessel > walls! Now, one of the problems for the body is to get rid of so > called free > radicals. This is molecyles which have one electron to much. I can > react > with every cell in the body, thereby destroying parts of the cell, > like the > DNA. Any minute a free radical can be able make a hole in the blood > wessel > wall. No problem, the body will repair it. But with what? > > You guessed it again: Cromium!! But what happens if there is nothing > left to > use? Then the body uses whatever sutable, like cholestrol or Calsium > coming > from excess use of supplement of this mineral that we get so much of > from > food anyway! This leads to a hardening of the wessel wall. It may be > inflamed. But why mostly inflammation near the gut? First I thought > that > someting like foodstuff or acetaldehyde could create this wessel wass > inflammation. But why could mercury leaking out of the teeth not lead > to CD > in the mouth but more distance in ileum for instance? > > Then I suddenly got an idea! (When I was asleep, of course..) > Whenever > there is an inflammation in the gut, macrofages will be busy eating > enemies. > This is done by releasing excess amounts of free radicals. So, this > is the > solution! The area around he inflamed gut will have a high > consentration of > free radicals leading to holes in the blood wessel walls. > > Hypotese 2: > > CD is a double inflammation, one int the gut and one in the blood > wessel > walls near by the gut. The cause of the inflammation in the gut is > highly > individual. The inflammation in the blood wessel wall is created by > excess > freee radicals from the inflammtion in the gut and too little Cromium > left > to repair the wessel walls. > > If this hypotesis is right there are three mesuares that POSSIBLE CAN > cure CD: > > 1. Supplement of Cromium. > 2. High doses of antioxodants to stop free radicals. > 3. Diet to stop the inflammetion in the gut. > > Odd Oivind > oddb@stovner.vgs.no ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:27:49 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: The cause of CD!! Message-ID: <19971001124745.AAA29537@a-zcusto> ---------- > From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: The cause of CD!! > Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 8:42 AM > Dear Odd, Your posts are always very intriguing and I think you are definetly on the right track . I just wanted to thank you for always sharing. I hope you have been recovering swiftly from your surgery. I have missed your insightful posts. Take Care, Kay > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > 1. Supplement of Cromium. > > 2. High doses of antioxodants to stop free radicals. > > 3. Diet to stop the inflammetion in the gut. > > > > Odd Oivind > > oddb@stovner.vgs.no > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: nuts Message-ID: <971001095919_945140935@emout05.mail.aol.com> Hi Elizabeth - thanx for the suggestion of eating nuts for something crunchy. the problem is digestion and i cant digest them otherwise it would be great. if anyone has any ideas they would be appreciated. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:12:11 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: chromium/cd Message-ID: <971001101105_1265493059@emout04.mail.aol.com> since this list serve is used specifically for diet, i will keep this short. i was wondering when SOMEONE was going to catch on, but it still isnt quite the answer. the information Odd gave was closer to anything i've heard you guys talk about. yes, someTHING is causing your cd (and uc for that matter). it doesnt just happen. you guys need detox. research it for yourself. diet only controls symptoms. you have immune system problems and drugs only further suppress it. chromium and antioxidants arent quite the answer either as assimilation is a problem in systems like ours. (you cannot build up without cleansing first). inflammation is an indication of someTHING irritating the gut. you cant get the chromium in (im not against supplementation, its just not going to work either by itself) until things are cleaned up. i think all of you would benefit by signing up to the list serve: http://listserv.azstarnet.com/cgi-bin/lwgate/intest_health/ subscribe to this and you can get your questions answered. its all about intestinal health. hope this helps. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:31:56 -0400 From: "Lynn Karakashian"<lynn.karakashian@prudential.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: nuts Message-ID: <85256523.004FB4D3.00@njros1ngw04.metro.prudential.com> Hi Elizabeth, I always enjoy eating dried banana chips without the sweetners aded. You can usually find them in bulk at your local health food store. Eat up and enjoy. I do!!! Lynn SHADOWPUP @ aol.com Wednesday October 1, 1997 10:01 AM Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com To: SCD-list @ longisland.com cc: (bcc: Lynn Karakashian/EFM/Prudential) Subject: nuts -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Elizabeth - thanx for the suggestion of eating nuts for something crunchy. the problem is digestion and i cant digest them otherwise it would be great. if anyone has any ideas they would be appreciated. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:04:47 -0400 From: Ron Leach <ron@baldhead.com> To: "'SCD-list@longisland.com'" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Yuca bread Message-ID: <01BCCE62.376034E0@bumpy.baldhead.com> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCCE62.376034E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everybody: I was just discussing the diet with a friend and he asked me if I had tried yuca bread as a bread substitute. I've never heard of this. Is anybody familiar with this type of bread? Do you know if it's OK for the diet? Thanks. 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Jean Carper, author of the NY Times bestseller, "Food, Your Miracle Medicine" and "Stop Aging Now" recommends 200 micrograms/day of Chromium Picolate which is a particular organic-type supplement more readily absorbed than Chromium choloride to: lower insuline levels lower triglycerides raisegood-type HDL Cholesterol discourage artery-clogging and heart disease lower bad-type blood cholesterol normalize blood sugar reduce risk of adult-onset diabetes thwart cancer growth boost immune functioning INCREASE ENERGY increase lean body mass rev up production of antiaging hormone DHEA EXTEND LIFE. Also good sources of chromium are niacin-bound chromiums, such as ChromeMate and Solgar GTF chromium. *** Yesterday, on the news I caught a portion of a newsupdate on MRI LIPOIC ACID, which is touted to be a powerful antioxidant; more so than others tested. Does anyone else know more about this news? Prateeksha What's chromium? You mean the hard, metallic element used in nickel and >copper alloys? Should we eat our coins? I don't get it.. where and how >do we ingest chromiuim? >With the free-radicals, does anyone know what are the best sources of >free radicals? I've heard carrots, tomatoes are good, and carcinogens >(overcooked meat, ccigarettes) are bad. > >Very interesting, but Odd...... > >Odd Oivind Bergstad wrote: > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> SCD MAILING LIST >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The cause of CD! >> >> For several months I have been written on this mail which I send to >> everybody out there looking for some way to get back to a normal life >> and >> any doctor thinking twice. >> >> When I was sendt to hospital in april 1993, I made two commitments to >> myself. >> >> 1. Establish a support group for CD. >> 2. Find the cause of CD. >> >> Now, the first point was soon achieved, but find a solution to the >> other..! >> But after researching and listening to speeches I reached a hypotese: >> >> Hypotese 1: >> >> The cause of Crohns Disease is a Cromium Deficiensy. >> >> Now back to 1993. My first idea was that CD simply was food >> intolerance. >> Many trials show a notorious link between CD and allergy. But when I >> learned >> more abouth Candida Albicans and how CD would manifest so different in >> >> individuals, I began to think twice. >> >> Listening to a speech held by Dr. Halstensen february 1997 became a >> breakthrough for my wiews upon both UC and CD. He showed that CD did >> not >> manifest itself in the gut at all! Is was in fact situated in the >> blood >> wessels near by the gut wall. He showed that CD was an immune reaction >> in >> the blood wall leading to an immune complex blocking the bloodstream. >> Then >> this would lead to cell death close to the wessel and in the end into >> the >> gut, creating a kind of spot. Or worse a deep hole in the wall gut. >> This >> shows clearly that CD cannot solely be considered as an inflammation >> in the gut! >> >> To question remains: >> >> 1. What causes this inflammation in the blood wessels? >> 2. Why does this happen so close to the gut wall? >> >> Some of the answers I have found in the books to Sharon A. Rogers. Now >> >> Sharon is working with enviromental medicine. She started looking at >> how >> formaldehyd, pesticides and pollution creates diseases in persons. >> This work >> led to studies of how mineral deficiencies could mimic symptoms from >> toxides. In the book: "Tired or Toxic?" she wrote about how a Cromium >> deficiency would influence on - you may have guessed it - the blood >> wessel >> walls! Now, one of the problems for the body is to get rid of so >> called free >> radicals. This is molecyles which have one electron to much. I can >> react >> with every cell in the body, thereby destroying parts of the cell, >> like the >> DNA. Any minute a free radical can be able make a hole in the blood >> wessel >> wall. No problem, the body will repair it. But with what? >> >> You guessed it again: Cromium!! But what happens if there is nothing >> left to >> use? Then the body uses whatever sutable, like cholestrol or Calsium >> coming >> from excess use of supplement of this mineral that we get so much of >> from >> food anyway! This leads to a hardening of the wessel wall. It may be >> inflamed. But why mostly inflammation near the gut? First I thought >> that >> someting like foodstuff or acetaldehyde could create this wessel wass >> inflammation. But why could mercury leaking out of the teeth not lead >> to CD >> in the mouth but more distance in ileum for instance? >> >> Then I suddenly got an idea! (When I was asleep, of course..) >> Whenever >> there is an inflammation in the gut, macrofages will be busy eating >> enemies. >> This is done by releasing excess amounts of free radicals. So, this >> is the >> solution! The area around he inflamed gut will have a high >> consentration of >> free radicals leading to holes in the blood wessel walls. >> >> Hypotese 2: >> >> CD is a double inflammation, one int the gut and one in the blood >> wessel >> walls near by the gut. The cause of the inflammation in the gut is >> highly >> individual. The inflammation in the blood wessel wall is created by >> excess >> freee radicals from the inflammtion in the gut and too little Cromium >> left >> to repair the wessel walls. >> >> If this hypotesis is right there are three mesuares that POSSIBLE CAN >> cure CD: >> >> 1. Supplement of Cromium. >> 2. High doses of antioxodants to stop free radicals. >> 3. Diet to stop the inflammetion in the gut. >> >> Odd Oivind >> oddb@stovner.vgs.no ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:23:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <199710011823.NAA19124@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hi, I haven't jumped totally into SCD yet. While I've been sugar and yeast free for over a year now, I still eat rice, oats, and potatoes. Here's the problem. I don't tolerate dairy, fruit or honey. So on SCD, what does that leave? Animal protein, vegetables, and nuts. That's even more limiting than what I'm doing now. Can I get enough nutrients/carbohydrates from these 3 categories of food? What can I have for breakfast (besides eggs and nut muffins)? I know how important diet is because I can see how badly certain foods affect me, but you know, it does get a bit frustrating after awhile to have such a limited diet. On the other hand, I do know that it could be worse (i.e. not being able to eat at all).. Regards/Liz ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: parex & crunchy food Message-ID: <v01550101b057e4d182da@[206.40.74.50]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Joan, Toasting bread in the oven is suggested by Elaine in the "Questions for Elaine", either part 1 or 2 (can't remember). She said to just slice it real thin and toast in the oven and it becomes a cracker! ummm, I love crackers, but haven't baked Lois Lang's bread yet. With regard to grating...I have DISCOVERED one of the greatest things in my kitchen. For years, I have had a Quisenart food processor, but never used the grater or slicer attachments...since taking up the diet, I am now grating zucchini or carrots (3 or 4) in a matter of about 10 SECONDS!!!!!! I keep my food processor out on the kitchen countertop, readily accessible for all the cooking, mixing, grating I do these days. Another thing I do is when I make a batch of yogurt, I immediately put about 1 1/2 cups into a yogurt strainer in a bowl, cover, place in the fridge. This "cream cheese" is used in the cheesecake instead of regular yogurt as well as a spread at breakfast on muffins. It makes the cheesecake more of the consistency of cheesecake! I love it. I also don't grate lemon, but rather, use 1 tsp. of lemon extract (without sugar...some has sugar in it, beware!) And, I use 1 tsp. of vanilla extract and 1 tsp. of almond extract. These combinations of extract make a wonderful, delicate cheesecake flavor and if you can take the fruit (which I can't), slice fresh strawberries, or raspberries/blueberries and serve on top. I'm sure it would be really wonderful. I don't make the almond crsp crust for it, since I am not yet ready for nuts except in nutflour. I tried the carrot chips and found them to be quite salty, so I would suggest getting cheese that is not salted. Also they had a wierd taste. Maybe there was a chemical added to the cheese I was tasting. So, maybe, get the "cleanest" cheese, without salt and chemicals, you can find. Other dried fruits I have tried in the whole foods grocery store are Papaya, and pineapple which have delicious flavors....however, I find I can't handle them right now...cause cramping. PAREX: My chiro has recommended that I detox so I take the parex. Parex is a natural product, supplied by my network chiro who buys it wholesale from the manufacturer: Metagenics, Inc., San Clemente, California, 92673, USA. It's called "Parex Intensive Care" and is a blend of herbs and herbal extracts with ficin (from F.glabrata, whatever the hell that is.) This is for colon cleansing of suspected amoebas, so you can imagine how strong it is! Along with it, I am taking Nature's Biotics, which is a host of friendly bacteria to restore balance to the intestine. It has among other bacteria, acidodophilis and bifidus. I plan to take it indefinitely. Regards, Prateeksha >hey Prateeksha - > >no, i missed where elaine suggested toasting the bread in the oven. didnt see >in the book - maybe was talked about on the list serve sometime. the one area >i am failing in is just this - i need something crunchy. the fried carrotts >are EXCELLENT and i do enjoy except i dont have time to sit and grate >carrotts to make enough for the week (like going to the store and buying a >bag of chips). if anyone has any suggestions on something crunchy it would be >great. but looking at the list of vegetables, there arent any i can come up >with that would end up crunchy besides the carrotts. > >also, is parex a drug or a natural product? if it is a natural product, who >is the manufacturer and where do you order? natures biotics doesnt kill >parasites - they are soil based organisms made up of friendly bacteria. they >are also transients, meaning they do not stay in the body. somewhere down the >road, you will have to reimplant with friendly bacteria - acidopholis and >bifidus. these are the two major strains that are in a normal system. this is >what is ultimately needed to rebuild. > >Joan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:59:35 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <3432ABA7.688C6F1@bedford.net> Elizabeth Liener wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, I haven't jumped totally into SCD yet. While I've been sugar and > yeast > free for over a year now, I still eat rice, oats, and potatoes. > Here's > the problem. I don't tolerate dairy, fruit or honey. So on SCD, what > does > that leave? Animal protein, vegetables, and nuts. That's even more > limiting > than what I'm doing now. Can I get enough nutrients/carbohydrates > from these > 3 categories of food? What can I have for breakfast (besides eggs and > nut > muffins)? > > I know how important diet is because I can see how badly certain foods > > affect me, but you know, it does get a bit frustrating after awhile to > > have such a limited diet. On the other hand, I do know that it could > be > worse (i.e. not being able to eat at all).. > > Regards/Liz Hi Liz, In February, I successfully used the diet straight from the book to stop a UC flair. It worked perfectly. Then I fell off the wagon and had another flair. This time I couldn't handle the honey and fruit and I didn't make out so well. I went on the strict startup diet, without honey, gelatin, fruit juice and I had a really bad time. I was ok for a couple of days (1 semi-solid bm per day, down from 6-8 per day with diarehea), but then I got very depressed, very very low energy, and major diareaha and bleeding. I stuck with it for three days -- then I had a wonderful starchy breakfast with potatoes, orange juice, the works. I felt much, much better, although the diareaha was still there, but not as often. My solution was to add one grain -- millet -- not starchy, fairly low carb. Just to experiment, I left out dairy, including butter. Later I added buckwheat. So mostly I was eating meat, eggs and millet and buckwheat, and carrots. This worked for me as well as the SCD when I first tried it. When you say that you are yeast free for a year, do you mean that you don't eat any yeasty foods, or are you saying that your yeast infection is under control? If you cannot tolerate fruit and honey, that may be a sign of a yeast infection. If you're familar with candida, maybe you should treat for that with some suppliments in addition to the diet. However, rice and potatoes are not the best for candida control since they are high starch foods. That's why I selected millet and buckwheat for my carbs. They are also readily avialable and fairly inexpensive. Hope this was of some help. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 17:34:17 PDT From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> Liz wrote: > Hi, I haven't jumped totally into SCD yet. While I've been sugar and yeast > free for over a year now, I still eat rice, oats, and potatoes. Here's > the problem. I don't tolerate dairy, fruit or honey. So on SCD, what does > that leave? Animal protein, vegetables, and nuts. That's even more limiting > than what I'm doing now. Can I get enough nutrients/carbohydrates from these > 3 categories of food? What can I have for breakfast (besides eggs and nut > muffins)? > > I know how important diet is because I can see how badly certain foods > affect me, but you know, it does get a bit frustrating after awhile to > have such a limited diet. On the other hand, I do know that it could be > worse (i.e. not being able to eat at all).. > I sympathize, Liz. I've been having the same problem. One thing I want to ask: have you tried yogurt made per the instructions for the SCD? I have found that I tolerate it well even though I don't normally do well with dairy. This could be true if your intolerance is for lactose. It still doesn't solve the carbo problem, but it can be another option. Also, if you tolerate beans, they are a good source of carbos. There has been some discussion lately on the list about using a food mill to remove the skins which are sometimes a source of problems for people. The initial period on the diet is hard, but look on it as an experiment for 2 weeks to see what happens. Even if you are not getting enough carbos for that period, you will probably be OK. It will at least let you know if the approach works for you. Kim ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #56 ********************** SCD-list Thu, 2 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 57 In this issue: Re: Can limited SCD work? Re: Chromium and Lipoic Acid healthy colon Yuca bread from Elaine Intro & general questions. yogurt starter Re: yogurt starter Re: The cause of CD!! Sharon - crunchy!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Can limited SCD work? Message-ID: <v01550100b0587128ae9c@[206.40.74.50]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Liz wrote: > >> Hi, I haven't jumped totally into SCD yet. While I've been sugar and >yeast >> free for over a year now, I still eat rice, oats, and potatoes. Here's >> the problem. I don't tolerate dairy, fruit or honey. So on SCD, what >does >> that leave? Animal protein, vegetables, and nuts. That's even more >limiting >> than what I'm doing now. Can I get enough nutrients/carbohydrates from >these >> 3 categories of food? What can I have for breakfast (besides eggs and nut >> muffins)? >> >> I know how important diet is because I can see how badly certain foods >> affect me, but you know, it does get a bit frustrating after awhile to >> have such a limited diet. On the other hand, I do know that it could be >> worse (i.e. not being able to eat at all).. >> Hi Liz, I am not tolerating fruit either and have had problems tolerating dairy in the past; however, I can eat the 36-hour fermented yogurt we make from the recipe in the book (Elaine says to ferment for 24 hours); and something I do that you might want to experiment with in order to get those carbs for breakfast is to make the Zucchini muffins and I put about 4 cups of grated zucchini into the recipe rather than 3; also the carrot cake recipe, make it into muffins and add a few more shredded carrots to it. I love these for breakfast. Also, I make the cheesecake and eat it for breakfast or snacks. I feel the dry curd cottage cheese which has less than l/2 of 1 per cent of lactose in it, is well tolerated by me. I mix it with the yogurt and eat it just about every morning for breakfast. Try these and see what happens. I'm still not on nuts, or raw anything, so I do have problems tolerating foods on the diet, also. Good luck, Liz. Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Chromium and Lipoic Acid Message-ID: <971002003754_1044279909@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-01 14:19:57 EDT, you write: << Also good sources of chromium are niacin-bound chromiums, such as ChromeMate and Solgar GTF chromium. >> What foods are high in chromium? If it's necessary then I would imagine there must be food sources for it. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:03:33 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <scd-list@longisland.com> Subject: healthy colon Message-ID: <97Oct2.000319-0600_mdt.268957-25599+43@mail.telusplanet.net> the Group (I have tried to keep this short.) It is great to see as many postings that have been showing up on the SCD list the last few months. While I have not been active in postings for some time, certainly the subjects appearing on the list continue to hold my interest. However I must plead guilty of receiving more benefits from this list than having returned in the way of postings of encouragement to the new comers who are desperately in need of help to expel their fears, as well to offer assistance with this diet. If my memory serves me correctly there are others like myself, after becoming stable on the SCD diet find all too convenient to quietly slip away. So then for those on the list, who have nothing but fears and questions, may I relate this success story for you of how the SCD turned my life around and made live worthwhile again. Fifteen years ago I found myself bleeding from the rectum, so severely I was forced to empty the colon approx. every twenty minutes. I was of the opinion I suffered from bleeding internal hemorrhoids in the lower colon. Our family doctor advised me to make an appointment with a Doctor who specialized in problems of the bowel. After the examination I was shocked when the Doctor stated =93Good news - you do not have Cancer. But you do have Ulcerative Colitis, and that may or may not contribute to cancer of the bowel. Frightening words for a man who would all but faint when a nurse drew blood from his arm. How shall I cure this disease Doctor? There is no known cure. I will venture everyone on this list has a similar story. After finding this list in its early days it was comforting to learn there was a place where the problems of IBD could be discussed openly. I started the diet in mar. 1993, failed it after three weeks, then tried the second time. By the end of the same year the colon was well on its way to full recovery. I was symptom free with no flares for well more than two years. I used medications for only the first month during that period. I made the yogurt, stuck to the book, although I never did do any baking, and still dont. Chopped, fresh or frozen mixed veggies and fruit. I can eat apples, oranges, bananas by the bushel. I started with small amounts of fish, chicken, scrambled eggs, beef and very crisp bacon later on in the diet I drank very weak coffee black. My colon appeared to have recovered completely. I felt so improved, health wise after two and some half years with no flares, that I decided I could now go back to eating some starch on a limited basis. That was a serious mistake. Within six to eight months I was bleeding from the colon, with severe pains in both sides, to the extent I could not lie on either side in bed at night. I lost all the weight I had gained in the previous two years. In July of 1996 I was able to view my colon on closed circuit TV while having a sigmoidoscopy. The inflammation was limited to approx. half way around a cross section and 12 inches (30cm) long. This damage resulted in approx. 6 to eight months from allowing limited starch in my diet. I went back on Medication for two weeks until the bleeding stopped, also started back full time on the diet. I had one small flare for just a few days, then progressed steadily. I had a colonoscopy one year later (one month ago) the results showed no sign of any bowel disease, healthy and wide open. I was advised to come back in two or three years, unless I have a flare. (He wasn't the least interested in my starch free diet.) The last few months I have gained my regular energy back, and I don't know how or why. I can't think of any large changes I may have made in my diet. I cut back or(I dont need) as much honey now as used earlier. I will stay on the diet for the rest of my days. The diet is now my life style. I wont return to the foods that make me ill. There is no secret to this diet. It is after all nothing but simply healthy food. So why in the world would I to leave it? I hope this post will bring some encouragement to those who struggle to free themselves from the ravages of bowel disease. Good luck in your search for good health. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:56:13 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Yuca bread Message-ID: <199710020548.WAA02741@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> Ron, Yuca is a tuber, similar to the potato. It is popular in central america. Just like you can make potato flour, you can make yuca flour. My guess is that it is not suitable for the diet. Steve >Hello everybody: >I was just discussing the diet with a friend and he asked me if I had tried >yuca bread as a bread substitute. I've never heard of this. >Is anybody familiar with this type of bread? >Do you know if it's OK for the diet? > >Thanks. > >Ron Leach ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:09:47 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: from Elaine Message-ID: <l03010d00b0594807d71a@[206.112.46.15]> Dear Group, Elaine faxed the following message for me to send to you; To SCD group, Wanted to share the following information with you; (1) Received a letter from a woman in PA which again confirms the fact that SCD is very often effective in the most serious neurological problems. If you refer to page 60 in the Breaking the Vicious Cycle, you should see the relationship between what the mainstream research has found out about erratic behavior and intestinal fermentation. Dear Mrs. Gottschall, In Jan. our son was diagnosed as having borderline/level/Tourette Syndrome. Our brother-in-law with Crohn's disease is on the diet and is very excited about the good results. He showed us a video and you talked about the diet and how it helped some people with neurological problems. It took a month or more until we could possibly say we saw improvement. Ever since, he has been definately better, with setbacks after being sick or when he cheated. Thanks for all the information you have provided through your books and tapes. We are very grateful. Sincerely, RS(did not get permission to use her name) I am so thrilled to get this feedback - imagine! Toureete's Syndrome is another one starting in the intestine! (2) A wonderful lady in Denmark (Mik & she have been in touch) was scheduled for surgery for UC and went on the diet and the doctor cancelled the surgery and she is wonderful. She contacted me and told me she was translating the book into Danish. We have done a lot of faxing about ingredients which may or may not be available in Denmark and now are on the brink of getting a Danish publisher. She has been interveiwed on radio and is scheduled for a magazine interveiw which will reach 1/2 million people. Her doctor is thrilled and is going to use the diet for his celiac patients. I just sent him the history of celiac which I wrote and which Mik put on his website. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get this kind of support in North America? Sincerely, Elaine Gottschall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:53:46 -0400 From: Linda Lazarides <SPNT@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:SCD-list@longisland.com" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Intro & general questions. Message-ID: <199710020753_MC2-228F-63D5@compuserve.com> Hello Jim The book is available in the UK by sending a cheque for 13.95 pounds to: SPNT Books, PO Box 47, Heathfield, East Sussex TN21 8ZX. Good luck and best wishes Linda (Partner, SPNT Books) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurt starter Message-ID: <971002110306_-1832421375@emout05.mail.aol.com> Hi everyone - I just ordered a yogurtmet yogurt maker. what yogurt starter do you guys recommend? where is is found? what are the ingredients? and how far does it go? thanx - Joan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:51:45 -0500 From: Maureen Stohlmeyer <mstohlme@iastate.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yogurt starter Message-ID: <v0310280ab05973324629@[129.186.242.88]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi everyone - > >I just ordered a yogurtmet yogurt maker. what yogurt starter do you guys >recommend? where is is found? what are the ingredients? and how far does it >go? > >thanx - >Joan I have one of those also. I use either the Dannon plain yogurt (comes in 16 oz. size and I use half for a batch) or I use the Yogourmet Starter, according to directions. I guess you'd have to order that through your health food store. --Maureen S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:51:02 +0200 From: Odd Oivind Bergstad <oddb@stovner.vgs.no> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: The cause of CD!! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971002205102.006753a4@vgs.sn.no> Hi everybody! Some days ago I sendt mail to both SCD-lists and IBDList about the cause of CD. I know that this was somewhat distance from the purpose of this list, but I just had to tell you! Now some thoughts about SCD and Cromium. A "diet" high in refined suger will not only be low in Cromium but will also inhibit the absorbtion of cromium in the gut! Typical food with much cromium are: Meat, shellfish and chicken. The less refined food the better. Therefor SCD probably will give you enough cromium. And as many of you have noticed, SCD is able to stop the inflammation in the gut for quite a few people. Therefor I believe that for some people SCD can cure CD.=20 Odd =D8ivind PS: At 08:27 01.10.97 -0400, Kay Witkowski wrote: >I hope you have been recovering swiftly from your surgery.=20 I have not gone through any surgeries and due to the diet I am following I probably never will... DS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Sharon - crunchy!! Message-ID: <971002170526_321086607@emout13.mail.aol.com> Hi Sharon - THANX! going to give this a try. sounds great. sure miss crunching and i do sometimes fail because of it. Joan ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #57 ********************** SCD-list Fri, 3 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 58 In this issue: Re: Chromium and Lipoic Acid Re: healthy colon Sharon! Re: healthy colon Liz - Carbos Prateeksha - Parex Re: Liz - Carbos yogurt starter -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Chromium and Lipoic Acid Message-ID: <v01550100b0598a80663d@[206.40.74.36]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >In a message dated 97-10-01 14:19:57 EDT, you write: > ><< Also good sources of chromium are niacin-bound chromiums, such as > ChromeMate and Solgar GTF chromium. > >> > >What foods are high in chromium? If it's necessary then I would imagine >there must be food sources for it. > >Ellen Hi Ellen, U.S. Dept. of Agriculture scientists recently designed the best diets they could think of; yet the most chromium in the "super diets" was still a mere 24 micrograms per 1,000 calories. Foods high in chromium are brewer's yeast, broccoli, barley, liver, lobster tail, shrimp, whole grains, mudshrooms and some brands of beer; due to contamination durng processing. However, much chromium in food is not well absorbed! Message: Don't depend on food for chromium, especially if you're on this diet! Instead, take 200 mcg. daily of chromium picolate. This info on page 88 of "Stop Aging Now." Author, Jean Carper. Prateeksha ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: healthy colon Message-ID: <v01550101b0598c77dc74@[206.40.74.36]> Dear William, I am on the diet 3 1/2 months and your "story" brought tears to my eyes. Thank you so much for your share and the encouragement I am receiving at this moment through you. Continued good health, Prateeksha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Sharon! Message-ID: <971002204925_1687809719@emout01.mail.aol.com> Sharon - wow - you made my day. those cheese crisp things are great. so . . . ms. creativity here added parsley, dill and cayenne to the second batch. Thanx! Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:09:07 -0400 From: Matthew Cirillo <mcirill@emory.edu> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: healthy colon Message-ID: <3434E062.BF878F7A@emory.edu> Thank you, William! I've been on the diet 1 1/2 years, and am symptom free. Last night I went to a Mexican restaurant, and had re-fried bean, which I'm sure are "cheating, as well as their salsa and a Dos Equis beer! I feel that it hasn't adversely affected me. I was wondering in, cummulatively, I would sink into sickness again if I kept up this behaviour. I can see from your post that there is a very good chance of this happening, so I guess I'll stick to the diet 100% for a while longer (I guess the rest of my life!!). Thanks for saving me the trouble of getting sick again! William Laing wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > the Group > (I have tried to keep this short.) > It is great to see as many postings that have been showing up on the > SCD > list the last few months. While I have not been active in postings > for > some time, certainly the subjects appearing on the list continue to > hold > my interest. > However I must plead guilty of receiving more benefits from this list > than > having returned in the way of postings of encouragement to the new > comers > who are desperately in need of help to expel their fears, as well to > offer > assistance with this diet. If my memory serves me correctly there are > > others like myself, after becoming stable on the SCD diet find all > too > convenient to quietly slip away. So then for those on the list, who > have > nothing but fears and questions, may I relate this success story for > you of > how the SCD turned my life around and made live worthwhile again. > > Fifteen years ago I found myself bleeding from the rectum, so > severely I > was forced to empty the colon approx. every twenty minutes. I was of > the > opinion I suffered from bleeding internal hemorrhoids in the lower > colon. > Our family doctor advised me to make an appointment with a Doctor > who > specialized in problems of the bowel. After the examination I was > shocked > when the Doctor stated =93Good news - you do not have Cancer. But you d= o > have > Ulcerative Colitis, and that may or may not contribute to cancer of > the > bowel.=94 Frightening words for a man who would all but faint when a > nurse > drew blood from his arm. How shall I cure this disease Doctor? =93 > There is > no known cure.=94 I will venture everyone on this list has a similar > story. > After finding this list in its early days it was comforting to learn > there > was a place where the problems of IBD could be discussed openly. > > I started the diet in mar. 1993, failed it after three weeks, then > tried > the second time. By the end of the same year the colon was well on its > way > to full recovery. I was symptom free with no flares for well more than > two > years. I used medications for only the first month during that period. > I > made the yogurt, stuck to the book, although I never did do any > baking, and > still dont. Chopped, fresh or frozen mixed veggies and fruit. I can > eat > apples, oranges, bananas by the bushel. I started with small amounts > of > fish, chicken, scrambled eggs, beef and very crisp bacon later on in > the > diet I drank very weak coffee black. My colon appeared to have > recovered > completely. I felt so improved, health wise after two and some half > years > with no flares, that I decided I could now go back to eating some > starch on > a limited basis. That was a serious mistake. Within six to eight > months I > was bleeding from the colon, with severe pains in both sides, to the > extent I could not lie on either side in bed at night. I lost all the > weight I had gained in the previous two years. > > In July of 1996 I was able to view my colon on closed circuit TV while > > having a sigmoidoscopy. > The inflammation was limited to approx. half way around a cross > section and > 12 inches (30cm) long. This damage resulted in approx. 6 to eight > months > from allowing limited starch in my diet. I went back on Medication > for two > weeks until the bleeding stopped, also started back full time on the > diet. > I had one small flare for just a few days, then progressed steadily. I > had > a colonoscopy one year later (one month ago) the results showed no > sign of > any bowel disease, healthy and wide open. I was advised to come back > in two > or three years, unless I have a flare. (He wasn=92t the least intereste= d > in > my starch free diet.) The last few months I have gained my regular > energy > back, and I don=92t know how or why. I can=92t think of any large chang= es > I may > have made in my diet. I cut back or(I dont need) as much honey now as > used > earlier. > I will stay on the diet for the rest of my days. The diet is now my > life > style. I wont return to the foods that make me ill. There is no secret > to > this diet. It is after all nothing but simply healthy food. > So why in the world would I to leave it? > I hope this post will bring some encouragement to those who struggle > to > free themselves from the ravages of bowel disease. > > Good luck in your search for good health. > > William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Liz - Carbos Message-ID: <971003104441_-1530061613@emout19.mail.aol.com> Liz - I had the exact same problem you did - what am i going to do for carbos? of all the foods that exist, i can give up every one of them except for my carbos! My BEST advice to you is to invest in the almond flour if you already havent done so. Also, order the dry curd cottage cheese and make Lois Langs Luscious Bread. This bread can also be toasted. It can also be dipped in egg and a french toast made with almond butter as your spread. So, with the bread you can have chicken sandwiches and the like. There HAS to be some way you can take this almond flour and with the right ingredients and consistency, spread on a cookie sheet and baked until crisp so that we can break apart and serve as a cereal. I havent gotten that far to experiment but it has to be possible. so for breakfast, i guess the choices are, french toast with almond butter, muffins, eggs and toast, yogurt and fruit (bananas, yogurt and almond butter are good - layer and freeze, thaw 30 minutes before eating), or milkshakes. See recipe in book. Stay away from ALL grains - this is the #2 rule of Elaines. This includes millet. you will find when you feel better, the diet is worth it. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:46:50 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Prateeksha - Parex Message-ID: <971003104541_728068691@emout13.mail.aol.com> Hi Prateeksha - Thanx for all your info. Especially on the Parex. I've tried about everything so good luck on this. I may order myself and try. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:05:52 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Liz - Carbos Message-ID: <343517E0.9268CF49@bedford.net> SHADOWPUP@aol.com wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Liz - > > I had the exact same problem you did - what am i going to do for > carbos? of > all the foods that exist, i can give up every one of them except for > my > carbos! My BEST advice to you is to invest in the almond flour if you > already > <Snip, snap> > yogurt and almond butter are good - layer and freeze, thaw 30 minutes > before > eating), or milkshakes. See recipe in book. Stay away from ALL grains > - this > is the #2 rule of Elaines. This includes millet. you will find when > you feel > better, the diet is worth it. > > Joan I thought I might clairify my position on using grains. I think its not the best idea, but at this point, it seems to be a good option for me. I've never been one to obey rules anyway. My plans are to return to the diet at some point, when I can tolerate some more of the staples (a month or two?). Its important for many people to ease into these dietary changes, especially when they are not that sick. Once an emergency is over, you can usually convince yourself it isn't that bad, so why go through all the hell of a diet? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has thought this. Its just not possible for some people to handle the emotional end of the diet -- at least on the first try. I know that if I was Liz, I'd have a hard time giving up the rice and potatoes. It took me three years to mentally prepare myself for a diet as strict as the SCD. I still wasn't emotionally ready since I fell off the diet after 2 months (and paid the price).I guess I want to say that even though millet and buckwheat (this isn't a grain anyway is it?) have been working for me, I don't recommend it before giving the SCD "the 'ole college try." SCD with limited, special grains, is much better than the typical "healthy" diet of wheat bread sandwiches, wheat and corn based cereals, pasta, rice, and plain baked potatoes -- In other words, a heavy hitting starch for every meal. This healthy diet is probably what got me here in the first place. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yogurt starter Message-ID: <971003180110_-194304484@emout06.mail.aol.com> i just ordered the yogurtmet yogurt maker. What yogurt starter do you guys recommend? where do you get it and what are the ingredients? thanx - Joan ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #58 ********************** SCD-list Sat, 4 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 59 In this issue: RE: Liz - Carbos cheese snacks book? Fwd: Bill - Buckwheat Re: The book Re: book? Where to buy "good bacteria"? Re: book? beans again Re: Bill - Buckwheat -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 17:50:33 MDT From: "Daniel Woods" <dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Liz - Carbos Message-ID: <9710032350.AA118492@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Hi Joan, > ...... so for breakfast, i guess the choices are, french > toast with almond butter, muffins, eggs and toast, yogurt and fruit...... I might also suggest a hamburger patty w/cheese. I also add two soft-boiled eggs. Try tuna instead of the patty. And don't forget the cheesecake recipe, which I eat 2-3 pieces a day. Thanks... Dan. *************************************************************** * Dan Woods The University of Calgary * * dwoods@acs.ucalgary.ca Calgary, AB, CANADA, T2N 1N4 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:30:14 PDT From: "List Serv" <lserv@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: cheese snacks Message-ID: <19971004013014.2718.qmail@hotmail.com> I joined this list a few days ago -- what a find! (Can I get a digest version? I tried "set digest" to no avail.) I'm the only person I know on this diet (on since last Christmas), so it's really nice to talk to you guys. I tell my friends that I'm on the Woody Allen "Sleeper" diet -- I can have bacon and eggs, but no whole wheat bread! Actually, I usually prefer not to engage in discussion of my strange new eating habits, but cannot always avoid it. Just saying no when people offer me food usually works, but not always. What do other people say gracefully? Anyway, I saw the cheese crisps idea, and tried it with herbs, and loved it. So simple! I have a cheese snack recipe that works with almond flour, that two regular eaters asked me for -- it's good, though a little greasy. I picked up a tip from this list already, to add less oil when using almond flour, and I will try that next time. Here is the recipe with its full oil allotment: Cheese snacks 350 degrees for 15 minutes 1/4 pound shredded cheddar cheese 1 cup almond flour 1/2 teaspoon salt 1/4 teaspoon sage (or fresh sage) 1/4 teaspoon thyme (or fresh thyme) 1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper (really makes it good) 1/4 cup vegetable oil (you may try reducing this) 3 tbsp. cold water coarse salt, sesame seeds or poppy seeds Add flour, salt, sage, thyme and cayenne pepper to cheese. Mix. Add oil and water to cheese mixture. Mix. Form into a ball and refrigerate until firm, about 15 minutes. (Roll dough on a lightly powdered smooth flat surface. Sprinkle with your choice of salt or seeds, and lightly roll in.)* Cut into one 1/2 inch squares and place on cookie sheet. Bake 15 minutes at 350 degrees. Cool. Makes two dozen crackers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *I put this in parentheses, because although it's a good idea, it makes for much more stuff to clean up, and it's not essential. I've taken to just forming small squares and going directly from the bowl to the cookie sheet. Then I sprinkle the sesame seeds, which add a lot to the texture of the cheese snacks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MSWday@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: book? Message-ID: <971003225104_440903650@emout05.mail.aol.com> Is the ordering info in the back of the book still correct. I want to send a book to a friend but I don't know if the info in the back is still accurate. If not where else is the book available?? thanks Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 23:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Fwd: Bill - Buckwheat Message-ID: <971003232710_-561780337@emout12.mail.aol.com> oops, sent this to the wrong place --------------------- Forwarded message: From: SHADOWPUP@aol.com Reply-to: intest_health@listserv.azstarnet.com To: intest_health@listserv.azstarnet.com Date: 97-10-03 19:25:22 EDT Bill - yes, buckwheat is a grain and an acidic one at that. since the diet is a specific one, we need to stay in the parameters. since your not fixed yet (sorry), i knew i was telling her right by staying off of all grains. the body doesnt know one grain from another and if we want to heal the gut and grains are causing problems, the body knows when we take it ALL away that it isnt getting the very things that irritate it. yes, wanting to be well is a committment. some people have time to waste. i dont. its everyones individual decision and committment but in case Liz was committed, she needed to know what was real and since this is about the specific carbohydrate diet, eventually it wont be if we give advice straying away from the very content. Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:33:24 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: The book Message-ID: <199710040338.UAA13481@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear Mike, Rachel posted this letter recently with Elaine's new 1 800 #. ---------- > From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: The book > Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 5:44 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear all, > I spoke to Elaine yesterday and she wanted me to pass on the following > information. It seems that there is a temorary problem with distribution of > her book in te USA. Until it is resolved, her book can be purchased by > either contacting me or through the following phone # 1-800-332-3663. > Although I haven't heard from him recently, I beleive that John Chalmers > also has copies of her book available to sell. > Rachel > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:55:45 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: book? Message-ID: <l03010d00b05bf9566238@[206.112.46.16]> Dear Mike, Kirkton press has moved. I can either find out the new address for you or you can order it through this 800# 1-800-332-3663. There are also 2 websites it can be ordered through http://www.cwhay.com/ http://www.fwi.com/cmg/ or I can ship you a copy (if you're in the USA). Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 06:12:19 PDT From: "Kurt Jensen" <kurt_j@hotmail.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Where to buy "good bacteria"? Message-ID: <19971004131221.15454.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, To help my CD I want to try SCD without diary. This requires me to try to get the "good bacteria" in other ways than the yoghurt. I got the following recommendation from a German doctor for a therapy based on massive amounts of "good bacteria": Phase 1 (1 month): Pro-Symbioflor: Start at 2x1 drop a day and increase gradually to 2x20 drops a day. Lacto and Bifido (eg. SymbioLact Comp): 2 times a day 5E8 Lactobacillus-acidophilus and 5E8 Lactobacillus-casei and 5E8 Bifidobacterium bifidum soluted in a glass of water. Phase 2 (5 months): Pro-Symbioflor: 2x20 drops a day. Symbioflor 1: 2x20 drops a day. Lacto and Bifido (eg. SymbioLact Comp): 2 times a day 5E8 Lactobacillus-acidophilus and 5E8 Lactobacillus-casei and 5E8 Bifidobacterium bifidum soluted in a glass of water. Phase 3 (6 months): Symbioflor 1: 2x20 drops a day. Symbioflor 2: Start at 2x1 drop a day and increase to 2x20 drops a day. Lacto and Bifido (eg. SymbioLact Comp): 2 times a day 5E8 Lactobacillus-acidophilus and 5E8 Lactobacillus-casei and 5E8 Bifidobacterium bifidum soluted in a glass of water. Now this looks fine, but where do I buy this stuff: Pro-Symbioflor Symbioflor 1 Symbioflor 2 SymbioLact Comp I am in Denmark, but I guess mail order from anywhere in Europe would be economically okay. Maybe even from the states. Thanks in advance, Kurt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 09:22:15 -0400 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: book? Message-ID: <34364307.36FC@mail.fwi.com> To ALL: I do have a stock of books on hand. I generally ship within 24 hours of receipt of an order. Ordering information is available at http://www.fwi.com/cmg All moneys generated by book sales are reinvested in the web site or used for purposes to help spread the word about the SCD and help people. John Rachel Turet wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Mike, > Kirkton press has moved. I can either find out the new address for you or > you can order it through this 800# 1-800-332-3663. There are also 2 > websites it can be ordered through > http://www.cwhay.com/ > http://www.fwi.com/cmg/ > or I can ship you a copy (if you're in the USA). > Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Robinson <tomr@vader.inow.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com (scd-li) Subject: beans again Message-ID: <199710041941.MAA10908@vader.inow.com> I know this subject has been discussed before, but I was hoping someone knows which beans are allowed on the SCD diet. The book says that dried white beans and lentils are allowed, and that soybeans, mungbeans, faba beans, and garbanzo beans are forbidden. What about all the others: kidney beans, pinto beans, etc.? thanks, Tom -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Robinson <tomr@inow.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Bill - Buckwheat Message-ID: <971004174323_-1765055828@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-03 23:29:29 EDT, you write: << yes, buckwheat is a grain and an acidic one at that. >> Actually, buckwheat is not a grain as is commonly thought. It is an herb. E ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #59 **********************
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