SCD-list October 1997 SCD-list Tue, 14 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 69 In this issue: Re: Fruit Re: neurological disorders Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: Fruit SCD and the Doctor Re: yogurt temp help with a fruiend II yep.. plantains again blood in stool 20%? 30%? 40%? Re: help with a fruiend II Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: Simone electrolyte balance Re: electrolyte balance Re: neurological disorders RE: Fruit Food Combining Re: neurological disorders Re: neurological disorders Mail System Error - Returned Mail -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fruit Message-ID: <v01550103b06801c7d8f0@[206.40.74.35]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Elaine says to start the diet with grape juice, cut by half with water. I find grape juice very comorting and "soft" in feeling to my guts. But everyone is different. I do think it a good idea to cut any juice by half with water, starting out and as the intestines heal, to have more juice and less water. Prateeksha >What fruits are good to start with? I have had my son on a candida diet for >so long, I feel a little paranoid about fruits. How much fruit can he have? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:52:59 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: neurological disorders Message-ID: <l03010d00b06870b6ec2a@[206.112.46.14]> Dear Moira, I had a minor blip in my computer & don't know if you got my reply. >Is there any data on schizophrenic and/or other neurological disorders, and how the SCD diet has helped them? Please read Elaine's chapter on the "brain connection" followed by a letter from Mrs. Elder. It pretty much tells the story. Additionally, Elaine's daughter had schizophrenic tendancies until she went on the diet and then they dissapeared along with her IBD symptoms. Rachel PS: Elaine says that if you wish, she can refer you to the schizophrenis society she's dealt with and they can give you the name of a book on the subject. Let me know if you need her phone # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:15:58 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013181558.0069e750@smartt.com> At 01:51 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >What does CCFA stand for? > > > Crohn's & Colitis Foundation of America; "CCFC" is "... of Canada" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:25:41 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Fruit Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971013182541.00693f88@smartt.com> At 04:03 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >What fruits are good to start with? I have had my son on a candida diet for >so long, I feel a little paranoid about fruits. How much fruit can he have? > > > So the candida ("Yeast Connection" ???) diet didn't work for him? Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: KevandDee@aol.com To: scd-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD and the Doctor Message-ID: <971013223928_590661885@emout06.mail.aol.com> Hi all. I'm still very new at this posting thing, but thought I'd let you know I went to my gastro today and asked about the SCD. She thought it coincidental I ask about nutrition as she just returned from a seminar (wish I'd have asked who sponsored it). Anyway, she said they (I assume the AMA) still says there is no real proof that elimination diets positively affect ulcerative colitis patients, although she did listen to my input as to why the SCD should work and agreed it was good in theory. She basically said, "If it bothers you, don't eat it! Use your common sense." So, hey, atleast she didn't turn her nose up and laugh at me. She's a good doctor, but a doctor nonetheless! I've been on the SCD for about 13 days now and have seen no improvement. I'm trying to be patient though. My doctor scheduled me for another full scope one month from today if my increased pred doesn't do the trick. Then she's talking about immuno-suppressants from there. I'm staying with the diet though, and hopefully it will reflect positive results before I have to get scoped again. The book says if you don't see improvement after one month (and you've actually stuck with it), the diet probably won't work for you. Anyone have any thoughts on that? Deanna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: yogurt temp Message-ID: <971013230427_-1026234746@emout16.mail.aol.com> I'm sure it's fine. I have a yogourmet yogurt maker and it works very well. If the temperature were too high, it would kill the starter and the yogurt would be obviously flawed. As long as the yogurt turns out looking right, it's fine (note: there might be some liquid on the top of the yogurt and it may need to cool to firm up) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MSWday@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: help with a fruiend II Message-ID: <971013231712_125712395@emout17.mail.aol.com> hi everyone. i posted a couple of days ago asking for letters of people's expeience with the scd. if anyone is considering sending any they have to add my name to the address. the address again is Kerri Walsh C/O Mike Soliday 7095 Hollywood Blvd #554 Hollywood, CA. 90028-8903 I was told today that if my name wasn't on the address they would be sent back. so once again, thanks if you can, and i understand if you can't mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:43:17 -0600 From: aagvani@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us (Steve Hooker) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yep.. plantains again Message-ID: <199710140235.TAA12458@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us> >Have you, Steve eaten plantains without aversive reactions? Also, if you >want plantain chips, why don't you make them yourself by frying them? > There's a fried carrots recipe in the book, so I guess plantains get fried >the same way. I had fried bananas once (but they were rolled in sugar& >cinnamon, though...the good old days, huh?) > >I am doing so well so far on the diet that I am afraid of trying something >that may disagree with me. I often have nighmares that I forgot, and ate >'forbidden' foods. I wake up scared and relieved that it was just a >nightmare. Imagine having nighmares about eating bagels and cereal...how >bizzare!! > >Simone Simone, Actually, what I've eaten doesn't really matter too much. The patient at our house is our twelve year old son. I have fried plantains before, and I like them, but the ones that we buy are the closest thing he gets to the kind of snacks he used to eat and that his friends eat at school. A bag of chips in his lunch means a little more to him than it would to you or me. one of the other parents on this list (Barb) told me about them, and the way she put it was like this: "it's hard to expect them to give up everything." She was right too. Early on, I set about finding him a little bit of "normal kid food." To get back to your question though, We have seen no adverse reactions whatsoever. Matt's system is pretty tolerant. He eats pretty much anything that is allowed on the diet without problem so far. Some other people have problems with things we eat every day, so wether a particular food goes well with you is something you'll have to find out yourself. Also, I know from reading this list that if something doesn't work now, that doesn't mean that it won't work later on. What I do know is that Elaine has given the nod to plantains Good Luck, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:18:49 -0400 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: new SCD <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: blood in stool Message-ID: <199710140119_MC2-23CD-2674@compuserve.com> Ellen, Bright blood is usually from the distal colon, as I understand it (dark maroon for proximal colon, black for upper GI). The M.D.s usually want to rule out tumor (a possible cause of bleeding), for which they will probably want to give you a flexible-sigmoidoscopy. However, it may just be hemorrhoids, which can present as quite a bit of bright blood in the toilet, or blood adhering to the stool (like "ketchup on french fries", as one of my docs put it), or bright blood on the toilet tissue. Hemorrhoids can be either external, in which case they'd be visible, or internal, in which case they wouldn't. Perhaps a flex-sig might be necessary to diagnose these, I'm not sure. Or, of course, it could be Chron's appearing in the distal colon. I think I'd get it checked out though -- it is important to rule out cancer. John Blank ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You wrote: <<Suddenly, though, I'm getting a bit concerned. I've started bleeding and that was never one of my symptoms. I don't have diarreah (I never did have a big problem with that). The bleeding isn't continuous--just every couple of days--but when it appears there's quite a bit of it. It's bright red with a few clots. I've had some minor pain with it--it feels different than the crohns pain I've endured for so long. I'm not bloated and don't feel really bad. It's just kinda concerning. Should I be worried? I keep trying to tell myself that bleeding is a normal part of crohns and lots of people experience it. I don't get the impression that it indicates some medical crisis but I don't know. Should I rush to see my doctor? Is there anything in particular as far as the diet that I should try? I haven't added any new foods lately. When the bleeding started I was overexerting myself--running up and down the stairs at a friend's house trying to care for her after surgery (I generally don't do stairs--I live on one floor at home). But it hasn't cleared up since I moved back home and stopped racing around. Thoughts?>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:18:52 -0400 From: "Mazer, C. & Blank, J." <103120.612@compuserve.com> To: new SCD <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: 20%? 30%? 40%? Message-ID: <199710140119_MC2-23CD-2675@compuserve.com> I keep seeing different figures for the effectiveness of the SCD. Now Dietmar is saying 20% don't respond (that's an 80% success rate!). I believe I've seen 30% elsewhere on this list. And I think Elaine in a recent conversation mentioned 40% (i.e., it doesn't work for 40% of the people). Does anyone have a source for these figures? And more important, can anyone back up these figures? John Blank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:50:24 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: help with a fruiend II Message-ID: <l03010d00b0691a70b03b@[206.112.46.11]> Dear Mike, There are letters and testimonials to the SCD on these 2 web sites. http://www.fwi.com/cmg/ http://www.inform.dk/djembe/scd/ Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:45:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <199710141345.IAA01828@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Crohns-Colitis Foundation of America > From SCD-request@longisland.com Mon Oct 13 15:52 CDT 1997 > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:51:10 -0700 > X-Sender: moira@megamed.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > From: Moira <moira@megamed.com> > Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Content-Length: 184 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > What does CCFA stand for? > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:49:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Liener <exuliz@exu.ericsson.se> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Simone Message-ID: <199710141349.IAA01840@b01d04.exu.ericsson.se> Hey, why not post them on the SCD list? Then you don't have to worry about mailing lists and everyone can take a look! > From SCD-request@longisland.com Mon Oct 13 17:15 CDT 1997 > X-Lotus-FromDomain: BAX > From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:14:28 -0700 > Subject: Simone > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Reply-to: SCD-list@longisland.com > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=us-ascii> > Content-Length: 935 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello Simone, > > When you send the recipes to Joan, cc me in please. These sound good. > > email to lschaaf@baxglobal.com > > Thanks > Linda > ---------------------- Forwarded by Linda Schaaf/AMERICA/BAX on 10/13/97 > 03:11 PM --------------------------- > > > SHADOWPUP@aol.com on 10/13/97 02:15:37 PM > > Please respond to SCD-list@longisland.com > > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > cc: (bcc: Linda Schaaf/AMERICA/BAX) > Subject: Simone > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Simone - > > there are 4 recipes of yours i would like to have: > > Peanut Butter-Banana Pie > Power Bars > Fruit Chewies > Applenut Cereal > > you can either post or email direct at Shadowpup@aol.com > > thanx- > Joan > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: WILLYHAY@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: electrolyte balance Message-ID: <971014120848_-992133097@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi everyone, I am also a new member to this web site and want to thank all of you who contribute to the support of SCD. It seems easier to stay on the diet when you can share with and read about others who are in your same situation. I have had CD for 14 years and have always felt that diet has played an important role in my health. I have tried many diets including macrobiotics. Then I have a flare up and the doctors put me back on predisone, I then loose all self control and eat EVERYTHING good or bad. Looking back it makes since that being raised on a diet HIGH in refined sugar, grains, and dairy has led me where I am today. Facing surgery to remove two strictures in my colon. I have started slowly on the SCD first eliminating sugar and non allowable dairy, and now grains and have seen GREAT improvement!!!!! My concern is that for the past year I have been using a product from Shaklee called Performance. This product has a balance of electrolytes and micronutrients important to maintain body fluids. It REALLY helps with cramping. I feel strongly that this product has kept me out of the hospital many times from dehydration. The problem is that it contains maltodextin, fructose, and glucose which the book says are not allowed (I'm not sure about the maltodextin). Does anyone have a reciepe for a drink mix that will maintain electrolyte balance? Plain water just dosen't seem to do. I have to add that I find it very odd that though my history with CD (I have had 9 gastro doctors) that not one doctor has warned about dehydration! Any help would be greatly appreciated. To good health! Joni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:39:21 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: electrolyte balance Message-ID: <199710141844.LAA32117@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear Joni, Here is a oral hydrator recipe that doesn't have any forbidden ingredients in it. To each quart of boiling water, stir in 2 tablespoons honey and 1/4 teaspoon each of salt and baking soda. Glad to hear you are responding well to the diet. Lucy Lucy > From: WILLYHAY@aol.com > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: electrolyte balance > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 9:16 AM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi everyone, > > I am also a new member to this web site and want to thank all of you who > contribute to the support of SCD. It seems easier to stay on the diet when > you can share with and read about others who are in your same situation. > > I have had CD for 14 years and have always felt that diet has played an > important role in my health. I have tried many diets including > macrobiotics. Then I have a flare up and the doctors put me back on > predisone, I then loose all self control and eat EVERYTHING good or bad. > Looking back it makes since that being raised on a diet HIGH in refined > sugar, grains, and dairy has led me where I am today. Facing surgery to > remove two strictures in my colon. > > I have started slowly on the SCD first eliminating sugar and non allowable > dairy, and now grains and have seen GREAT improvement!!!!! > > My concern is that for the past year I have been using a product from Shaklee > called Performance. This product has a balance of electrolytes and > micronutrients important to maintain body fluids. It REALLY helps with > cramping. I feel strongly that this product has kept me out of the hospital > many times from dehydration. The problem is that it contains maltodextin, > fructose, and glucose which the book says are not allowed (I'm not sure about > the maltodextin). Does anyone have a reciepe for a drink mix that will > maintain electrolyte balance? Plain water just dosen't seem to do. I have > to add that I find it very odd that though my history with CD (I have had 9 > gastro doctors) that not one doctor has warned about dehydration! Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > > To good health! > Joni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:05:09 -0700 From: Moira <moira@megamed.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: neurological disorders Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971014110307.27075d6e@megamed.com> At 07:52 PM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Moira, >I had a minor blip in my computer & don't know if you got my reply. > >>Is there any data on schizophrenic and/or other neurological disorders, and >how the SCD diet has helped them? > >Please read Elaine's chapter on the "brain connection" followed by a letter >from Mrs. Elder. It pretty much tells the story. Additionally, Elaine's >daughter had schizophrenic tendancies until she went on the diet and then >they dissapeared along with her IBD symptoms. >Rachel >PS: Elaine says that if you wish, she can refer you to the schizophrenis >society she's dealt with and they can give you the name of a book on the >subject. Let me know if you need her phone # > Dear Rachel, I do believe in this diet, am finding it hard to implement, my son is screaming for his rice bread/lettuce sandwiches. I tried to do it cold turkey, too many tantrums and stress. I am at my wit's end. I am going to try again, for the third time already, gradually phasing the carbos out. He has been gluten and casein free with some great improvment, for almost a year. He still talks to himself a lot and has other schizophrenic like symptoms, also is tactile defensive. Now, even more deprivation, it is hard. He has also tested allergic to wheat of course, dairy, beef, nuts, etc. I still don't understand how he could go from HAVING alleriges, to NOT having allergies on the diet. Thanks, Moira There are thousand of kids out there now with candida/antibiotics autism, the parents frequently put them on strong, psychoactive drugs. This would be a lot easier for me, I refuse to do it. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:19:56 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@SalesLogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Fruit Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460AC038@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I supposedly have a problem with candida and I started with dilute apple cider (as per Elaines book), diluted honey (1 tsp in about 12 ozs of water), bannana and apples and even raisins. So far, I have not died as expected, and I have had no obvious "Yeasties" reaction, in fact, I rather enjoyed the fruit for the first time in about 10 years as I have been afraid of them as well! Glad to be over the fear. Fruit is good! > -----Original Message----- > From: painsolv@smartt.com [SMTP:painsolv@smartt.com] > Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 6:26 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Fruit > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 04:03 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >What fruits are good to start with? I have had my son on a candida > diet for > >so long, I feel a little paranoid about fruits. How much fruit can he > have? > > > > > > > > So the candida ("Yeast Connection" ???) diet didn't work for him? > > Dietmar > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:46:29 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@SalesLogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Food Combining Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460AC043@logixmail.saleslogix.com> I am on my 16th day on SCD and I am exploring things that I have been taught in the past 10 or so years that may well be myths and unnecessary worries concerning eating. One of the things about SCD is a TOTAL lack of concern on Elaines part about proper "food combining". It (food combining that is) never really seemed to work for me anyway but I have had a fear of eating fruit and fruit juice etc. with anything other than by itself, and so I end up usually not eating fruit at all. The theory is that fruit digests very rapidly and if you eat anything else with it, it will "ferment and rot and putrify" in your intestines allowing all the bad bacteria an opportunity to really make you sick! Other proponents of food combining can take it to an even more extreme degree. What have you found in terms of eating fruit with regular food. I have actually begun experimenting some with eating fresh fruit with food and so far don't seem to be having any problems with it. Elaine has not said anything about this as far as I know. Is this food combining stuff just a myth??? Look forward to you experienced SCD folks out there! Thanks Pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:32:14 PDT From: "Kim Endres" <kendres@resdyn.com> To: "LongIsland SCD List" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: neurological disorders Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.00656e64726573203030303730303037@MAPI.to.RFC822> Moira, I don't have much advice to give, but my heart goes out to you. You have one of the biggest challenges I can imagine. About the disappearing allergies, the explanation I have read (and I believe it is in Elaine's book, but I'm not sure) is that many allergies arise because of a lack of integrity of the cells lining the intestine. When damaged, these cells are unable to prevent unwanted proteins from crossing into the bloodstream, and once in the blood, the body reacts to these proteins as foreign particles. This causes the allergic reaction. The SCD heals these intestinal cells, restores the integrity of the intestinal lining, so the proteins are no longer getting into the bloodstream, and no allergic reaction occurs. Good Luck Kim ---------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > At 07:52 PM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dear Moira, > >I had a minor blip in my computer & don't know if you got my reply. > > > >>Is there any data on schizophrenic and/or other neurological disorders, and > >how the SCD diet has helped them? > > > >Please read Elaine's chapter on the "brain connection" followed by a letter > >from Mrs. Elder. It pretty much tells the story. Additionally, Elaine's > >daughter had schizophrenic tendancies until she went on the diet and then > >they dissapeared along with her IBD symptoms. > >Rachel > >PS: Elaine says that if you wish, she can refer you to the schizophrenis > >society she's dealt with and they can give you the name of a book on the > >subject. Let me know if you need her phone # > > > Dear Rachel, > > I do believe in this diet, am finding it hard to implement, my son is > screaming for his rice bread/lettuce sandwiches. > I tried to do it cold turkey, too many tantrums and stress. I am at my wit's > end. > > I am going to try again, for the third time already, gradually phasing the > carbos out. He has been gluten and casein free with some great improvment, > for almost a year. He still talks to himself a lot and has other > schizophrenic like symptoms, also is tactile defensive. > > Now, even more deprivation, it is hard. > > He has also tested allergic to wheat of course, dairy, beef, nuts, etc. I > still don't understand how he could go from HAVING alleriges, to NOT having > allergies on the diet. > > Thanks, > > Moira > > There are thousand of kids out there now with candida/antibiotics autism, > the parents frequently put them on strong, psychoactive drugs. This would be > a lot easier for me, I refuse to do it. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:05:17 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: neurological disorders Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971014150517.006962d0@smartt.com> Hi, Kim, That's a reallygood explanation / theory ... I can see how it could work. I don't remember ever reading it, let alone in Elaine's book (at least, I don't remember ever reading such a succinct & clear way as you put it) ... you sure it was from her? Or would you be able to remember if it was another source? Dietmar At 04:32 PM 10/14/97 PDT, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Moira, >I don't have much advice to give, but my heart goes out to you. You have >one of the biggest challenges I can imagine. > >About the disappearing allergies, the explanation I have read (and I >believe it is in Elaine's book, but I'm not sure) is that many allergies >arise because of a lack of integrity of the cells lining the intestine. >When damaged, these cells are unable to prevent unwanted proteins from >crossing into the bloodstream, and once in the blood, the body reacts to >these proteins as foreign particles. This causes the allergic reaction. > >The SCD heals these intestinal cells, restores the integrity of the >intestinal lining, so the proteins are no longer getting into the >bloodstream, and no allergic reaction occurs. > >Good Luck > >Kim > >---------- ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ To: SCDlist@longisland.com From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) Subject: Repeated messages Help!!! Today, I have gotten the same messages 3 times!!!! I delete them and they appear again...and again....and again...and What? Prateeksha ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #69 ********************** SCD-list Wed, 15 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 70 In this issue: new to the list time to go Re: Food Combining RE: Mucous Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: time to go Re: new to the list Re: book? Re: time to go -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 23:20:54 UT From: "Geoff Thornell" <GMTK@classic.msn.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: new to the list Message-ID: <UPMAIL03.199710142319490696@classic.msn.com> Hi all, I am new to this list, and have been on the scd diet for a little over a month now. Unlike most people on this list I have Cystic Fibrosis. I am wondering if any other CF people out there have tried this diet and what their results were. Most of my problems are lung related, but I had enough GI involvement to prompt me to give the diet a try. I feel much better on it! I am no longer bloated, do not get alternating bouts of diarrhea then constipation. I am making more trips to the bathroom than before, but this isn't bothering me as it is more "normal" if you get my drift. I am intrigued with the benefits not consuming carbohydrates could have on my infection levels both in the gut and in my lungs. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:56:27 PDT From: "BILL" <btren@bestweb.net> To: "SCD LIST" <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: time to go Message-ID: <MAPI.Id.0016.007472656e2020203030303530303035@MAPI.to.RFC822> Having had my UC completely cured with this wonderful diet now for about four months ( as well as the gastro esophigal reflux) I feel that I do not need all the mail anymore. I will definitely stick to the diet with some minor deviations. I feel that it is the way to assure that the dreaded disease will not return. Good luck to you all. I for one can say thanx and it really did work. Bill Trench ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Combining Message-ID: <v01550100b0696feccfd5@[206.40.74.48]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't know what Elaine's "theory" is about food combining and like you, Pat, have wondered about all those recipes combining protein with fruit. When I do that, I get GAS, CRAMPS...so, it doesn't work for me to use those recipes. Been on the diet since 6/15 and still not eating raw anything or nuts cooked in anything except the nutflour. Prateeksha. >I am on my 16th day on SCD and I am exploring things that I have been >taught in the past 10 or so years that may well be myths and unnecessary >worries concerning eating. > >One of the things about SCD is a TOTAL lack of concern on Elaines part >about proper "food combining". It (food combining that is) never really >seemed to work for me anyway but I have had a fear of eating fruit and >fruit juice etc. with anything other than by itself, and so I end up >usually not eating fruit at all. > >The theory is that fruit digests very rapidly and if you eat anything >else with it, it will "ferment and rot and putrify" in your intestines >allowing all the bad bacteria an opportunity to really make you sick! >Other proponents of food combining can take it to an even more extreme >degree. > >What have you found in terms of eating fruit with regular food. I have >actually begun experimenting some with eating fresh fruit with food and >so far don't seem to be having any problems with it. Elaine has not >said anything about this as far as I know. Is this food combining stuff >just a myth??? Look forward to you experienced SCD folks out there! > >Thanks > >Pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:43:17 -0700 From: "Glenn L. Rung" <backpack@cyberlynk.com> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: RE: Mucous Message-ID: <01bcd914$17b8eda0$283b36ce@backpack> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BCD8D9.6B5A15A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dietmar, Thanks for your suggestions. I'll try them out and see how the fresh = grapefruit juice and the vegetables that you mentioned work for me. I wish I could digest all of the food mentioned in "Breaking the Viscous = Cycle," but my system is very finicky. I've been on the almost three = months so my system may have to heal more before I can try other foods = in the book. I'll tell you, a diet that only consists of eggs, yogurt, blueberries, = limited amounts of almond nut bread, meat, and broccoli gets old very = quick. So if the foods that you mentioned work, I say thank God that I = can handle a few more foods. Thanks, Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BCD8D9.6B5A15A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dietmar,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanks for your suggestions. I'll = try them out=20 and see how the fresh grapefruit juice and the vegetables that you = mentioned=20 work for me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I wish I could digest all of the = food mentioned=20 in Úquot;Breaking the <FONT color=3D#000000>Viscous </FONT>Cycle,Úquot; = but my=20 system is very finicky. I've been on the almost three months so my = system may=20 have to heal more before I can try other foods in the book.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I'll tell you, a diet that only = consists of=20 eggs, yogurt, blueberries, limited amounts of almond nut bread, meat, = and <FONT=20 color=3D#000000>broccoli </FONT>gets old very quick. So if the foods = that you=20 mentioned work, I say thank God that I can handle a few more = foods.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Glenn</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BCD8D9.6B5A15A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:49:04 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <01bcd914$e6948e40$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 8:06 AM Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >All, > >The subject of the SCD and the medical establishment and CCFA is of great importance. >We have a significant grass roots movement now that needs to grow even stronger. > >I remember when Elaine came to Fort Wayne, I called in advance to the leader of the >support group for cystic fibrosis. I wanted her group to know about the Elaine's talk >and they could come to one of the presentations if they chose to. The lady told me that >she would have to check with the doctors to determine if they would allow the group to >hear about this information. I think you can guess the result. This practice is fairly >common. It is a form of censorship but I do not think they realize that censorship is >taking place. I think they believe they are protecting their group. > >In the long run, I think we need an organization which has a mission to perpetuate the >SCD. That would include making information available, be a clearing house for >questions/answers and take a proactive role in promoting the SCD. > >The CCFA is, in my mind, in the fund raising business. They are well organized and do a >good job of raising funds. If bowel diseases were ever cured, I suspect the CCFA would >change its name and mission and continue to raise funds for another cause. This has >happened in the past - remember polio. > >The medical profession, similarly is in the medicine and operation business. The >doctors are well trained and they are good at it. Unfortunately, the best answers are >not always medicines and operations. Keep in mind that doctors have been trained for >many years in school. They have been thoroughly immersed in the medication/operation >methods. To them, anything that deviates from that training is suspect at best. > >We will not turn the corner on this overnight. We are dealing with one of the most >powerful establishments in the world. > >John John and the group: We really should be looking at gathering together a long list of testimonials from people on this list who have seen a remarkable improvement in thier health since using the SCD. As in the case of myself not once but twice,in a five year period, have I seen my colon make a complete recovery. Both instances with only Medication for a short while, a few weeks, to stop the bleeding. The reason for the U.C. returning to my colon the second time was I had gone off the diet in a (limited amount) for approx eight months. For the doctors to tell me the SCD does not work just does not cut it. I see too many people on this list that speak of thier improvements on the diet. If I had not seen it happen to my own body, not once but twice, I might have reason to be doubtful. As far as the CCFA or the CCFC is concerned, I gave up on them five years ago. I donot expect they are going to buy this diet, untill such times as the testimonials are stacked as high as their meeting room cieling. That leaves us in the position of either proving it to them, or forgetting about them entirely. I am not on any medications for U. C. Should you be inclinded to believe I have a healthy young colon; yes, I have a healthy colon, but it is seventy years old next month . More proof this diet will work for all ages, young or old. William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:18:51 -0600 From: "William Laing" <wlaing@telusplanet.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: time to go Message-ID: <01bcd919$0f419fa0$LocalHost@default> -----Original Message----- From: BILL <btren@bestweb.net> To: SCD LIST <SCD-list@longisland.com> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 6:06 PM Subject: time to go > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Having had my UC completely cured with this wonderful diet now for about >four months ( as well as the gastro esophigal reflux) I feel that I do not >need all the mail anymore. I will definitely stick to the diet with some >minor deviations. I feel that it is the way to assure that the dreaded >disease will not return. > Good luck to you all. I for one can say thanx and it really did work. > Bill Trench Bill Very nice to hear of your good news. You are one more person to sing the praises of the SCD. Hope you can stay close Bill, many people out are facing the same problems you and I did and need our help. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:01:59 -0700 From: "Rosset" <plrosset@pacificrim.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: new to the list Message-ID: <199710151807.LAA23190@cascade.pacificrim.net> Dear Michelle, On a TV show interview I heard Elaine say that Dr. Haas had a picture of a group of young people on his desk, and that when she asked him who they were he said those are my cystics, all well. You could call her and ask her what her experience has been. Her phone # is 905-349-3443. Or you can write to her at: 396 Grills Road, RR2, Baltimore, Ontario KOK 1K0 Welcome and best of luck to you. Lucy ---------- > From: Geoff Thornell <GMTK@classic.msn.com> > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: new to the list > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 4:20 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi all, > I am new to this list, and have been on the scd diet for a little over a month > now. Unlike most people on this list I have Cystic Fibrosis. I am wondering if > any other CF people out there have tried this diet and what their results > were. Most of my problems are lung related, but I had enough GI involvement to > prompt me to give the diet a try. I feel much better on it! I am no longer > bloated, do not get alternating bouts of diarrhea then constipation. I am > making more trips to the bathroom than before, but this isn't bothering me as > it is more "normal" if you get my drift. I am intrigued with the benefits not > consuming carbohydrates could have on my infection levels both in the gut and > in my lungs. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:06:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JESAMEANA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: book? Message-ID: <971015160235_72898733@emout10.mail.aol.com> I AM PRETTY SURE THIS IS ELAIN GOTTSHALLS NUMBER IF YOU WANT TO CALL AND CHECK IT IS IN CANADA. 905-349-3443 GOOD LUCK!! HEATHER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:54:08 -0700 From: "Linda Schaaf"<lschaaf@baxglobal.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: time to go Message-ID: <88256531.0077C4A6.00@baxworld.com> Dear Bill, I hope you get this message before you un-subscribe. I am brand new to the list. I started the SCD 19 days ago (wow has it been that long?). I am noticing improvement, and a side benefit for me is I'm also loosing weight. Anyway, you mentioned a condition called gastro esophigal reflux. I am not familiar with this and am curious what it is...if you don't mind explaining before you go. Before I started the diet I have had what I call pain in my ribs. So far no doctor has diagnosed what it is. A good friend of my said she experienced the same kind of excrutiating pain and she was diagnosed with an esophigal ulcer. I don't have the pain all the time, but I notice it when I have been on my feet too long...like in the kitchen preparing all the things for the SCD; or when I wear too tight of clothing. Does anybody else experience this or know what in the world it could be? I don't know where to start and/or whether the diet will also help this condition? Thanks Linda ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #70 ********************** SCD-list Thu, 16 Oct 1997 Volume 1 : Number 71 In this issue: Re: Food Combining Re: Food Combining Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Last of the plaintains Food combination Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas SCD and My Doctor Re: Food combination Re: Don't cheat yahoo Encourage me if you will..... Attention all yogurt making fools! (William, thanks for the wake-up call!) Re: Don't cheat Re: SCD and My Doctor Re: Attention all yogurt making fools! (William, thanks for the wake-up call!) RE: Food Combining -------------------------------------------------------------------- SCD MAILING LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:56:28 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Combining Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971015185628.006a0920@smartt.com> Excellent question. My experience: In spring of 1996 I became EXTREMELY ill with a very painful non-specific artritic-type inflammation throughout my body, something I had NEVER before had in my 40-some years on this orb; the doctors simply had no answers & none of their drugs helped, NONE! (I virtually couldn't move, was virtually bed-bound ... try THAT when you have colitis & have to hobble to the washroom) In desperation (even breathing hurt like torture!) I finally tracked down a retired naturopath (with great effort & pain I was at least still able to punch in phone numbers!), explained my situation, and he agreed to help me: I sent him an evening & morning urine sample via courier (he lives about 400 miles away), whereupon he gave me a very specific diet, based on food combining, to follow. I'd been extremely ill for 5 weeks and getting worse (if that was possible!) ... within 2 days I felt a change with less pain, and within 2 weeks it was like I'd never been ill at all! Unbelievable. My physicians (I saw 2 at the time) put it down to "there, there, it was probably all in your head" ... they do that when they don't hae any answers, it's such an easy cop-out. So THAT time my results with food combining were unbelievable. Now the flip side: about 6 months later I got sick again, this time though not the same problem as in the spring, but rather the start of a severe bout with colitis. I didn't consult the ND because I realized I'd probably brought it on myself by "falling off the wagon" and not folliwng his diet anymore once I felt so well again, and didn't want to have to face his anger or at least disappointment in me. So I decided "Hey, his programme worked 6 months ago, I'll do it again!" and started the same protocol: fruits & starches in the AM, veggies at noon, proteins & acid fruits in PM. This time it did NOT work; in fact, I got worse & worse and after 2 months on this protocol thinking I was on the right track, I was doing about 20 BM's (diarrhoea) per day, and had lost 30#! I was literally at death's door when I decidied I simply was on the wrong track, and the program for some reason wasn't going to work this time, so I checked into emergency on the verge of respiratory & circulatory collapse ... luckily, they managed to pull me back from the edge and basically saved my a** ... doctors DO have theur place, e.g. in emergency medicine, it's simply with CHRONIC problems that they're pathetic. After 3 weeks in hospital I got up the courage to call the ND and tell him what I just told you: only then did I find out that his protocol for the fall episode of illness would have been much different; he told me that he would have told me NOT to eat any starches (what we call "refined carbohydrates", sound familiar?), and go easy on the fruits & fats, but to concentrate on a few cooked veggies, some meats, home-made youghurt, and fresh-squeezed grapefruit juice with the evening (protein) meal. So, to sum it up: in my experience "food combining" worked once, and failed once ... it apparently all "depends" on circumstances! How's that for saying "yes" and "no" at the same time? Sincerely, Dietmar ~~~~~ At 11:46 AM 10/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- >I am on my 16th day on SCD and I am exploring things that I have been >taught in the past 10 or so years that may well be myths and unnecessary >worries concerning eating. > >One of the things about SCD is a TOTAL lack of concern on Elaines part >about proper "food combining". It (food combining that is) never really >seemed to work for me anyway but I have had a fear of eating fruit and >fruit juice etc. with anything other than by itself, and so I end up >usually not eating fruit at all. > >The theory is that fruit digests very rapidly and if you eat anything >else with it, it will "ferment and rot and putrify" in your intestines >allowing all the bad bacteria an opportunity to really make you sick! >Other proponents of food combining can take it to an even more extreme >degree. > >What have you found in terms of eating fruit with regular food. I have >actually begun experimenting some with eating fresh fruit with food and >so far don't seem to be having any problems with it. Elaine has not >said anything about this as far as I know. Is this food combining stuff >just a myth??? Look forward to you experienced SCD folks out there! > >Thanks > >Pat > > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:43:39 -0700 From: painsolv@smartt.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food Combining Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971015194339.006a2b84@smartt.com> In case it wasn't clear in my previous (long) e-mail, here are the "food combining" rules that a retired naturopath gave me last year (1996): AM (i.e. breakfast): non-acid fruits + starches (carbohydrates) Mid-Day (i.e. lunch): veggies (cooked or raw), some unsat. oils, some protein PM (i.e. dinner): protein (e.g meats, nuts, yoghurt, white cheddar) + acid fruits esp. grapefruit (except oranges: not recommended) As you can see, this needs some modification for the SCD ... somehow the calories the "starches" would provide in his programme must be replaced with other sources under Elaine's protocol. Dietmar ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ D. Hartl RMT Specialist in: Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions White Rock, British Columbia ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:13:49 -0400 From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <3445785D.3A81@mail.fwi.com> William I went to our support group meeting tonight. It was suggested that the testimonials include some background on the persons condition prior to the diet. That way we would have a before and after comparison. These testimonials are called anecdotal evidence by the medical community and are not accepted in the sense of "proof". To prove usually requires double blind statistical studies. These testimonials can be viewed from our perspective as fact. As facts they are undeniable. John > > John and the group: > > We really should be looking at gathering together a long list of > testimonials from people on this list who have seen a remarkable improvement > in thier health since using the SCD. As in the case of myself not once but > twice,in a five year period, have I seen my colon make a complete recovery. > Both instances with only Medication for a short while, a few weeks, to stop > the bleeding. > > The reason for the U.C. returning to my colon the second time was I had > gone off the diet in a (limited amount) for approx eight months. > > For the doctors to tell me the SCD does not work just does not cut it. > I see too many people on this list that speak of thier improvements on the > diet. If I had not seen it happen to my own body, not once but twice, I > might have reason to be doubtful. > > As far as the CCFA or the CCFC is concerned, I gave up on them five years > ago. I donot expect they are going to buy this diet, untill such times as > the testimonials are stacked as high as their meeting room cieling. That > leaves us in the position of either proving it to them, or forgetting about > them entirely. > > I am not on any medications for U. C. Should you be inclinded to believe I > have a healthy young colon; yes, I have a healthy colon, but it is seventy > years old next month . More proof this diet will work for all ages, young or > old. > > William ------------------------------ From: prateeksha@infoasis.com (Prateeksha Bogardus) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <v01550100b06ae36a9fc9@[206.40.74.61]> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >SCD MAILING LIST >------------------------------------------------------------------- I have gotten this message 3 times. I keep getting many of the same messages over and over and over!!!! Help!!!! Anyone else having this problem????? Prateeksha > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Chalmers <johnc@serv2.fwi.com> >To: SCD-list@longisland.com <SCD-list@longisland.com> >Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 8:06 AM >Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas > > >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>SCD MAILING LIST >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>All, >> >>The subject of the SCD and the medical establishment and CCFA is of great >importance. >>We have a significant grass roots movement now that needs to grow even >stronger. >> >>I remember when Elaine came to Fort Wayne, I called in advance to the >leader of the >>support group for cystic fibrosis. I wanted her group to know about the >Elaine's talk >>and they could come to one of the presentations if they chose to. The lady >told me that >>she would have to check with the doctors to determine if they would allow >the group to >>hear about this information. I think you can guess the result. This >practice is fairly >>common. It is a form of censorship but I do not think they realize that >censorship is >>taking place. I think they believe they are protecting their group. >> >>In the long run, I think we need an organization which has a mission to >perpetuate the >>SCD. That would include making information available, be a clearing house >for >>questions/answers and take a proactive role in promoting the SCD. >> >>The CCFA is, in my mind, in the fund raising business. They are well >organized and do a >>good job of raising funds. If bowel diseases were ever cured, I suspect >the CCFA would >>change its name and mission and continue to raise funds for another cause. >This has >>happened in the past - remember polio. >> >>The medical profession, similarly is in the medicine and operation >business. The >>doctors are well trained and they are good at it. Unfortunately, the best >answers are >>not always medicines and operations. Keep in mind that doctors have been >trained for >>many years in school. They have been thoroughly immersed in the >medication/operation >>methods. To them, anything that deviates from that training is suspect at >best. >> >>We will not turn the corner on this overnight. We are dealing with one of >the most >>powerful establishments in the world. >> >>John > > >John and the group: > >We really should be looking at gathering together a long list of >testimonials from people on this list who have seen a remarkable improvement >in thier health since using the SCD. As in the case of myself not once but >twice,in a five year period, have I seen my colon make a complete recovery. >Both instances with only Medication for a short while, a few weeks, to stop >the bleeding. > >The reason for the U.C. returning to my colon the second time was I had >gone off the diet in a (limited amount) for approx eight months. > >For the doctors to tell me the SCD does not work just does not cut it. >I see too many people on this list that speak of thier improvements on the >diet. If I had not seen it happen to my own body, not once but twice, I >might have reason to be doubtful. > >As far as the CCFA or the CCFC is concerned, I gave up on them five years >ago. I donot expect they are going to buy this diet, untill such times as >the testimonials are stacked as high as their meeting room cieling. That >leaves us in the position of either proving it to them, or forgetting about >them entirely. > >I am not on any medications for U. C. Should you be inclinded to believe I >have a healthy young colon; yes, I have a healthy colon, but it is seventy >years old next month . More proof this diet will work for all ages, young or >old. > >William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:33:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Last of the plaintains Message-ID: <971016010346_1243178266@emout16.mail.aol.com> Steve, Oops! I thought you were the one with the IBD. I have a bad habit of assuming. Thanks for letting me know your son is doing well on plantains. I love them steamed or boiled. I'll have some soon and pray I won't blow up Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: PI5DA@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Food combination Message-ID: <971016014011_240551458@emout03.mail.aol.com> Pat, What a coincidence that you brought up the food combination issue. I was just thinking the same thing when I read about eating fruit with yougurt or cheese. According to books such as Fit For Life, and other ones I read, fruit should be eaten alone on an empty stomach 30 min. before a meal or 4-6 hours after a protein or starch meal. Like you said, the fruit requires minimal time to digest (20-45 minutes:dried fruit and bananas take 45 minutes) while proteins take about 4 hours. According to the literature, fruit that becomes trapped with other food in the stomach begins to ferment, potentially causing the entire contents to putrify and cause gas and bloating. OK, I know some of us can do without the excess gas ad bloating. Also, according the these authors, improper food combination can cause havoc on the digestive system and wear it down along with destroying the integrity of the food by fermenting it or causing it to putrify. So, what quality of nutrients are we absorbing then? I found that when I used to eat fruit at meals I used to develop terrible stomach aches which mistakenly I blamed the fruit and became afraid to eat them. After I found out about food combination, I ate fruit alone with no problem. Fruit also helps cleanse the intestines, and sometimes fruit reacts with remaining intestinal and stomach debris and cause some bloating. Otherwise there should be no problem. My question is, if so many nutritionists who study the effects of food on the digestive system individually state the same thing about food combination, then why hasn't Elaine mention it? I know we don't have to be concerned about combining starch with protein, but I am a little bit concerned about fruit and other foods. Those of you who read the recipes I posted noticed they are all from the Fit For Life Cookbook. All the fruit-based deserts contain nothing but fruit, nuts, seeds, honey, and nut milks which are digestively compatible. Any take on this? If anyone disagrees, remember I am just the messenger, so don't kill ME. Regards, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:52:14 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: CCFA and SCD in Dallas Message-ID: <l03010d00b06bafce3d0d@[206.112.46.19]> Dear Prateeksha, Please write linda@invisions.net or matt@invision.net with this problem. They should be able to resolve it for you. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: EllenAdams@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: SCD and My Doctor Message-ID: <971016073750_1621803716@emout07.mail.aol.com> Hey Guys! I finally went to the doctor for the bleeding problem. He gave me rowasa enemas. I told him about the diet. He hadn't heard of it but was interested. Two of his other patients had gone on a high protein, no carbohydrate diet and it turned their lives around. Now he's curious that there might be something to this diet thing after all! I'm going to send him more info. He got big points from me! E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kebridan@aol.com To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Food combination Message-ID: <971016090208_-360811280@emout01.mail.aol.com> Ever since Pat posted that great question about combining fruit etc., I've been waiting to see what you all had to say. Does someone save difficult questions and then give them to Elaine all at once instead of calling her individually? My 2 cents. About a year ago I read "The Zone" have sinced loaned it to a friend and don't have it to refer to, but I have seen it mentioned here before. The author, Barry Sears, combines a protein, carbo, and fat in specific ratios to each other at every meal and snack. This regulates insulin levels, controls free radicals, etc. and is described as a steady drip (like and IV) of food throughout the day. I don't ever remember in the book advice on eating fruit separate, just in proportion to the protein and fat. I find I have a problem if I eat too much fruit, which I think there is a tendency to do, because we don't eat junk food and fruit seems "legal". I know we've been told to basically put blinders on and follow the SCD which I'm prepared to do, but we all have read and been taught other nutritional theories and sometimes it's just hard to blank that out of your mind. Take care, Jane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:51:31 -0400 From: "witkowski" <witkowskis@worldnet.att.net> To: <SCD-list@longisland.com> Subject: Re: Don't cheat Message-ID: <19971016131721.AAA29450@a-zcusto> ---------- Dear All, I just wanted to write and encourage you all to stick to the plan. I made a big boo boo . My wonderful Aunt who makes the best pies in the world brought us over a blackberry pie. Now this is my very favorite pie in the world and I had not had any in a year. So I figured well go ahead. Big mistake. After eating the pie the next morning I awoke with the first colon on fire feeling I have had in at least 9 months. I ate the pie on Tuesday night it is now Thursday and my colon is still letting me know how angry it is at my falling off the wagon. So for those that are tempted it is not worth it. No more pie for me . I myself would be very cautious of enemas, it just makes me think of colonoscopy preparation that always threw me into a very long tail spin. Take Care, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:34:16 -0400 From: Benito Rey <brey@interlog.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: yahoo Message-ID: <344617D8.45AF@interlog.com> Hi all... =20 please see today's yahoo headlines below. Bye Benito =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D [ Reuters New Media] [Download Microsoft FrontPage 98 Free Beta Now!] Click Here to get FrontPage98! [ Yahoo | Write Us | Search | Info ] [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Previous Story: Mexico Storm Victims Desperate for Food, Water Next Story: N.Y. Airports Snarled After Controllers Depart -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Thursday October 16 6:52 AM EDT 'Super Aspirin' May Help Prevent Bowel Cancer LONDON (Reuters) - A new class of drugs known as "super aspirin" could help prevent and even treat bowel cancer, British doctors said Wednesday. It has all the benefits of normal aspirin but none of the side effects when taken in high doses. "We are very excited by the possibility of using aspirin-like drugs because they could pave the way for better ways of preventing and perhaps one day even treating bowel cancer," Dr. Chris Paraskeva, of Bristol University, said in a statement. Regular aspirin has been shown to help prevent heart disease and bowel cancer but used over a long period of time or in high doses it can cause ulcers or bleeding of the stomach lining. Researchers tested a member of the super aspirin family called NS-398 on samples of cancerous cells taken from the large bowel and cultivated in the laboratory. The super aspirin was 50 times more effective than aspirin in making the cancer cells kill themselves. "The fact that both they and aspirin can cause bowel cancer cells to self-destruct may also explain why these drugs could have a preventive effect on the disease," added Paraskeva. 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Airports Snarled After Controllers Depart [Download Microsoft FrontPage 98 Free Beta Now!] Click Here to get FrontPage98! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Copyright =A9 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon Questions or Comments =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:01:43 -0700 From: jeff goldschlager <jlager@snet.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Encourage me if you will..... Message-ID: <34464877.6670@snet.net> Group Members and Friends, I need some support/advice. I=92ve been on SCD for about 3 weeks now.=20 Although I saw clear improvement the first 3 days, I have not seen any more since. I=92ll furnish you with my eating habits (I=92ll be brief) as this may ha= ve clues for you. Mornings: Nut flour bread/ muffins (made with cashew and almond ) black tea and honey. Note: I=92m waiting for yogurtmet to arrive, so I have not had any yogurt thus far. Lunch: chicken or beef dish, with some cooked vegetable. Dinner: Same as lunch, or fish, or chili-type stew, sometimes with salad. Snacks: apple or banana during cousre of day. At inception of diet I ate more raw nuts and=20 raisin combo, less so now. Some days are better than others. Still loose diarrhea BM's in the majority (about 6 is a =93good=94 day, 10 on =93bad=94 day), bleeding app= ears to minimal. More cramping/bloating than actual pain, but this is really not too bothersome. I am able to function fairly normally, i.e. I go to work, work-out at gym, and maintain myself without any problems except the =93inconvenience=94 of the above mentioned items. I am not taking any medication. So--Any counsel out there? Any =93been-there-done-that=92s=94 out there. = Do I need to give it=20 more time?, If so how long?, Is this the normal process? Will the homemade yogurt=20 contribute positively? I feel my enthusiam waning with each day that I don=92t perceive improvement occurring. In short, =93HELP=94. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:41:06 -0400 From: RAMAN PRASAD <RAPRASAD@BCBSCT.COM> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Attention all yogurt making fools! (William, thanks for the wake-up call!) Message-ID: <s445efe6.013@BCBSCT.COM> If you have ever found yourself standing in the kitchen with almond batter covered clothes . . . Or you heard a grocer say "Dry curd what?" . . . Or heard the person at the deli say, "Farmer's cheese? You want the whole block?" . . . Or you've cursed the high heavens b/c your 24 (or 36) hour vulture-like yogurt vigil has failed to produce something edible . . . Or you've covered both ears as your trusty Cuisinart begins grinding almonds . . . I joined the list several months ago, after six successful months on the diet. At the time I (with perhaps na?ve enthusiasm) planned to work with the group to gather, edit, and publish a book of testimonials. When I sent out the "call" to gather testimonials (I wasn't the first to do this), Mik suggested that I first edit the testimonials contained on the SCD page. While working on this task, I jotted down ideas of what kind of information should be included in a book testimonial. However, after completing the editing of the 60 pages of testimonials, I started taking graduate classes after work* and let the book idea fall by the wayside. I consoled myself by saying Elaine's book, Mik's website, and Renee's website were widely available and a compilation of testimonials would just contain extraneous and repeated information. (*something I didn't have the endurance for before the SCD) However, I again realize the potential positive impact of publishing a book of testimonials: --For people thinking about trying the diet, it would help allay concerns/fears. "This diet's makes no sense. Eat raw salads?! Have an apple?! I haven't done that in years. This woman's crazy." "I'm not sure about this. My doctor says diet has little to do with UC/CD." --For people starting the diet, it would show that individual responses to the diet vary and that people will have to tailor it to their own needs. Testimonials could include subjects such as: how long it took to feel better, fatigue, exercise habits, complementary therapies (vitamins, acupuncture, yoga etc.), cutting down on medication, weight loss/gain, eating out, etc. --In addition to helping the tens of thousands of IBD sufferers out there, putting together personal testimonials would also be cathartic?just like Prateeshka flushing the pages of her journal (or my once swollen knuckles sloppily striking away at a punching bag). (For those of you not wishing to expose your bowel habits to public scrutiny, we could definitely use aliases or just first names). --For the CCFA, etc. A widespread book would add to the legitimacy of the diet and hopefully make the CCFA fundraisers (who don't have IBD), a bit nervous. In addition, more doctors may be willing to try it. (Eleven months after a two-day hospital stay, I recently went back to my surprised GI who said, "You look great!". He wrote down the book title and wanted to discuss it further. Frustrated, he told me, "We just don't hear about these things. There's so many people with this and many have to keep going back to the [damn] steroids." (This is not my first GI, the earlier ones had me drugged to the hilt?to the point of became a case study for quality control at a now defunct HMO) If we work together to put a compilation of testimonials together a draft could be completed by January 1998. I'm ready to receive, edit, and/or rewrite any testimonials. In addition, I'd be happy to call or meet with anyone who wants tell their story. I've also been saving some e-mail from people who have given snippets of their SCD experience. So please don't be surprised if I start sending requests. Thanks for taking the time to read this! After that spiel, I'm now going to eat a piece of Lois Lang's Luscious Bread! Take care, Raman Prasad P.S. In terms of publishing the book, any $ from sales could go back to the SCD-group to help w/ future projects. ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:08:49 -0400 From: Bill Miller <miller@bedford.net> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Don't cheat Message-ID: <34462E01.B5CBE296@bedford.net> witkowski wrote: > I myself would be very cautious of enemas, it just makes me think > of > colonoscopy preparation that always threw me into a very long tail > spin. > Take Care, > Kay There is a huge difference. The scope prep uses irritating agents to cause the GI tract to expell everything in it, and greatly increase the peristaltic action. Not only that, but the doctor sticks a tube up your butt, does biospies, forces the instrument around corners. You have to have pain killers it is so invasive and violent! No wonder you have a tailspin. I'm not sure about fleet enemas and salt water enemas, but plain and some herbal enemas just wash out the stuff and shouldn't be irritating at all. And just to show that the AMA acknoledges prep-induced irritation: http://www.mindspring.com/~rlyons/co_co_04.html Be careful, there are many pictures on this site. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 11:37:50 CDT From: ted.kyle@vantis.com (Ted Kyle) To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: SCD and My Doctor Message-ID: <9710161637.AA16380@swansong.amd.com> which hi-protein diet, ZONE, PROTEIN-POWER (similar to zone) or Atkins ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:04:22 -0500 From: Rachel Turet <rachel@longisland.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: Re: Attention all yogurt making fools! (William, thanks for the wake-up call!) Message-ID: <l03010d00b06c1588616e@[206.112.46.14]> > >However, I again realize the potential positive impact of publishing a >book of testimonials: Count me in. Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:21:26 -0700 From: Pat Sullivan <psullivan@SalesLogix.com> To: SCD-list@longisland.com Subject: RE: Food Combining Message-ID: <E0C18E118B25D1118AC000805F4B98460B9643@logixmail.saleslogix.com> Dietmar, Thank you for this msg. I find it very interesting. Food is indeed the most powerful medicine. I wish I knew even more about it. Thanks again! Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: painsolv@smartt.com [SMTP:painsolv@smartt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 6:56 PM > To: SCD-list@longisland.com > Subject: Re: Food Combining > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > SCD MAILING LIST > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Excellent question. > > My experience: In spring of 1996 I became EXTREMELY ill with a very > painful non-specific artritic-type inflammation throughout my body, > something I had NEVER before had in my 40-some years on this orb; the > doctors simply had no answers & none of their drugs helped, NONE! > > (I virtually couldn't move, was virtually bed-bound ... try THAT when > you > have colitis & have to hobble to the washroom) > > In desperation (even breathing hurt like torture!) I finally tracked > down a > retired naturopath (with great effort & pain I was at least still able > to > punch in phone numbers!), explained my situation, and he agreed to > help me: > I sent him an evening & morning urine sample via courier (he lives > about > 400 miles away), whereupon he gave me a very specific diet, based on > food > combining, to follow. I'd been extremely ill for 5 weeks and getting > worse > (if that was possible!) ... within 2 days I felt a change with less > pain, > and within 2 weeks it was like I'd never been ill at all! > Unbelievable. > My physicians (I saw 2 at the time) put it down to "there, there, it > was > probably all in your head" ... they do that when they don't hae any > answers, it's such an easy cop-out. > > So THAT time my results with food combining were unbelievable. > > Now the flip side: about 6 months later I got sick again, this time > though > not the same problem as in the spring, but rather the start of a > severe > bout with colitis. I didn't consult the ND because I realized I'd > probably > brought it on myself by "falling off the wagon" and not folliwng his > diet > anymore once I felt so well again, and didn't want to have to face his > anger or at least disappointment in me. > > So I decided "Hey, his programme worked 6 months ago, I'll do it > again!" > and started the same protocol: fruits & starches in the AM, veggies at > noon, proteins & acid fruits in PM. > > This time it did NOT work; in fact, I got worse & worse and after 2 > months > on this protocol thinking I was on the right track, I was doing about > 20 > BM's (diarrhoea) per day, and had lost 30#! I was literally at > death's > door when I decidied I simply was on the wrong track, and the program > for > some reason wasn't going to work this time, so I checked into > emergency on > the verge of respiratory & circulatory collapse ... luckily, they > managed > to pull me back from the edge and basically saved my a** ... doctors > DO > have theur place, e.g. in emergency medicine, it's simply with CHRONIC > problems that they're pathetic. > > After 3 weeks in hospital I got up the courage to call the ND and tell > him > what I just told you: only then did I find out that his protocol for > the > fall episode of illness would have been much different; he told me > that he > would have told me NOT to eat any starches (what we call "refined > carbohydrates", sound familiar?), and go easy on the fruits & fats, > but to > concentrate on a few cooked veggies, some meats, home-made youghurt, > and > fresh-squeezed grapefruit juice with the evening (protein) meal. > > So, to sum it up: in my experience "food combining" worked once, and > failed > once ... it apparently all "depends" on circumstances! How's that for > saying "yes" and "no" at the same time? > > Sincerely, > > Dietmar > > ~~~~~ > > At 11:46 AM 10/14/97 -0700, you wrote: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SCD MAILING LIST > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I am on my 16th day on SCD and I am exploring things that I have been > >taught in the past 10 or so years that may well be myths and > unnecessary > >worries concerning eating. > > > >One of the things about SCD is a TOTAL lack of concern on Elaines > part > >about proper "food combining". It (food combining that is) never > really > >seemed to work for me anyway but I have had a fear of eating fruit > and > >fruit juice etc. with anything other than by itself, and so I end up > >usually not eating fruit at all. > > > >The theory is that fruit digests very rapidly and if you eat anything > >else with it, it will "ferment and rot and putrify" in your > intestines > >allowing all the bad bacteria an opportunity to really make you sick! > >Other proponents of food combining can take it to an even more > extreme > >degree. > > > >What have you found in terms of eating fruit with regular food. I > have > >actually begun experimenting some with eating fresh fruit with food > and > >so far don't seem to be having any problems with it. Elaine has not > >said anything about this as far as I know. Is this food combining > stuff > >just a myth??? Look forward to you experienced SCD folks out there! > > > >Thanks > > > >Pat > > > > > > > > > > ~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > D. Hartl RMT > > Specialist in: > Orthopaedic Assessment - Tactile Therapies - Pain Solutions > White Rock, British Columbia > ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^ ------------------------------ End of SCD-list V1 #71 **********************
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